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Labors of Hercules Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 10:49 PM
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Truth is in the details: In Obama's defense...
Edited on Wed Jan-23-08 10:51 PM by Labors of Hercules
While I am an Edwards supporter, I must stand up in defense of Barack...

I have seen NOTHING in Bill and Hillary's attacks against Barack Obama, (both those throwing his own words "back at him" and those attempting to dig up dirt on him), that make me question his integrity.

AND more to the point, NOTHING that makes me think of him as anything but a highly intelligent, dedicated and Progressive Democrat.

Hillary's campaign is sinking to lows that are beneath anyone worthy of the Democratic Presidential Nomination, and while criticizing things Obama has said and done is fair play, distorting and grossly misrepresenting them is not.

This Edwards supporter is standing up for Barack Obama tonight. I hope you will join me...
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 10:51 PM
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1. What are these distortions and misrepresentations?
Even a couple of them. Because all I'm seeing is a typical Democratic primary season.

--p!
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 10:56 PM
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5. ok here ya go!
- Obama likes Repuke ideas
- Obama praised Reagan
- Obama didn't oppose the Iraq War
- Obama worked for a slumlord
- Obama is a Muslim
- Obama is a Drug Dealer
- Obama doesn't support a woman's right to choose
- Obama is a homophobe

the list goes on and on.

None of it is true. Patented Clinton Distortions.
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 11:01 PM
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9. That about covers it, Rove would be proud
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 11:30 PM
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15. Here's a few you may have missed --
If we're talking about surrogates, of course there has been a lot of mud flying. If we're talking about the actual candidates, though, it has been, at the worst, testy.

Here's the smear-Hillary list:

- Hillary is really a Republican
- Hillary praised Reagan even more than Obama did
- Hillary killed a million Iraqi children
- Hillary plotted with Wal-Mart
- Hillary is a Wiccan
- Hillary is a lesbian
- Hillary hates Jews
- Hillary is a Zionist
- Hillary alone "will do anything to win"
- Hillary is a racist
- Hillary alone gets money from corporations
- Hillary has an unfair advantage (Bill); it's fine for Oprah to stump for Obama
- Hillary alone is involved in "voter suppression"
- Hillary is a pathological liar
- Hillary has all of the same faults of her husband
- Hillary is fighting dirty; Obama is merely a tough street-fighter
- Hillary lies; Obama makes incorrect statements
- Hillary killed Vince Foster
- Hillary was a Communist in college
- Hillary was a "Goldwater Girl" in college
... and the most absurd one of all, ...
- If you support, defend, or vote for Hillary, you're an "enabler".

I have seen ALL of these (and more) from Obama supporters, including about 3/4 of the list right here on DU. And, yes, I have seen quite a few smears of Obama, and at one time I put considerable energy into refuting them.

You might want to review the lists and the difference between surrogates and principals.

Like I said, it's a fairly typical Democratic primary.

--p!
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 12:16 AM
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24. ok, I'll give it a whirl. FACTCHECK! the new MSM memetic device
- Hillary is really a Republican
... False. She is not a Republican, though she is hawkish, does have some conservative policies, and she does employ Republicanesque Campaign tactics.

- Hillary praised Reagan even more than Obama did
...True. In past interviews and in Brokaw's new book, Hillary praises Reagan much more than Obama ever did.

- Hillary killed a million Iraqi children
...False. Hillary didn't personally kill a million children. However, she did vote for the IWR, which allowed Bush to attack Iraq, which resulted in the deaths of hundred of thousands of men, women, and children who may have lived if not for the War.

- Hillary plotted with Wal-Mart
...False. No evidence of this has been presented, but Hillary was on the board of Wal-Mart in the 6 years leading up to Bill Clinton's election in 1992.

- Hillary is a Wiccan
...False. I'm pretty sure she is of Christian denomination.

- Hillary is a lesbian
...False. No evidence of this has ever been presented. She is married with a child.

- Hillary hates Jews
...False. Hillary is a supported by AIPAC. She is a Senator from New York. She has a good relationship with the Jews.

- Hillary is a Zionist
...False. Hillary has made no Zionist comments, but she is a strong supporter of Israel and its defense.

- Hillary alone "will do anything to win"
...False. Hillary AND Bill will do anything to win. Anything.

- Hillary is a racist
...False. Hillary is not a racist. But she is smart enough to know the politics of race, and what happens when a candidate is marginalized based on race. She knows that her surrogates have made inflammatory statements.

- Hillary alone gets money from corporations
...False. Hillary is the only candidate who will not agree to have no lobbyists in her White House.

- Hillary has an unfair advantage (Bill); it's fine for Oprah to stump for Obama
...True. Bill Clinton is a former President, and has the inherent trust of the American People. When he speaks, people believe him up front. When he misrepresents the truth, some believe that, too.

- Hillary alone is involved in "voter suppression"
...Half-Truth. Hillary is not personally involved, however, her supporters pushed a lawsuit in NV to close Caucuse sites. They closed Caucus doors early in NV and shut people out. They also had Obama GOTV people thrown out of stations in NH.

- Hillary is a pathological liar
...Half-Truth. She is not a pathological liar, she is a very calculating liar. She lies as little as she has to. Hillary believes that the ends justify the means. If she has to bend the truth to get something she believes is necessary, she will do so.

- Hillary has all of the same faults of her husband
...False. Hillary has mostly different faults than Bill. Though they both are loose with the truth.

- Hillary is fighting dirty; Obama is merely a tough street-fighter
...True. Hillary is fighting dirty. She utilizes cronies, the media, and manipulated facts to spin a convincing yarn. Obama is tough. He is showing this now.

- Hillary lies; Obama makes incorrect statements
...Half-Truth. Hillary does lie. Obama makes the correct statement, then Hillary and Bill misquote and take away context in order to portray whatever they want.

- Hillary killed Vince Foster
...False. But somebody sure did. I don't think it was Hillary.

- Hillary was a Communist in college
...False. Hillary was a nerd in college. Not nearly cool enough to be Communist.

- Hillary was a "Goldwater Girl" in college
...False. Hillary was a Goldwater Gal in High School. In college, she was in the Young Repugs for a bit.

- If you support, defend, or vote for Hillary, you're an "enabler".
...True. You buy her, you own her. All that she says, does, and, most importantly, does not do.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 12:38 AM
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29. Factcheck ... yet no evidence
It's always the same five or six "gotcha!" lines that are supposed to indict Hillary and Bill as the master criminals of the century. "Liars ... do anything to win ... race card ... voter suppression ... replay loop". The only Obama supporter posting a significant amount of material is posting about 95% blog opinion pieces with most of the rest from previously-biased sources.

Do you really think that Hillary lies, but Obama makes misstatements ... Hillary is dirty, but Obama is merely tough ... and other "noun conjugations"? (Non-political e.g., "I'm eccentric, you're weird, and that fellow over there is crazy.") It's difficult for me to believe that anyone thinks in such starkly black-and-white terms, but I'm seeing it in 360 degrees here -- Obamites, Hillaritarians, Edwardians, etc.

:shrug:

--p!
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 12:43 AM
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31. push poll questions where a Hillary quality is tied to an Obama quality are false logically
But that does not change the fact that Hillary does lie.


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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 12:53 AM
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32. Well, then, prove that Hillary is categorically worse that Obama
You can't, because nearly all of the evidence for Hillary's special level of lying is gossip, some of it 20 years in the telling.

"Hillary is a liar" because it has been repeated several million times in print alone. That in itself is a Big Lie.

There is a similar dynamic at work that puts Obama on a pedestal. But in reality, they're both pretty similar in their handling of the truth. They try their best to tell us what we want to hear; if that's a special, elevated level of lying, then there is plenty of blame to spread around.

On the other hand, it keeps our minds off of discussion of policy issues and plans for their presidencies.

--p!
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 01:04 AM
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34. Don't you think it's a little problem to have so many Americans doubting the Clinton's integrity?
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 01:29 AM
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38. It sure is. But consider WHY.
It's the result of a 20-year Big Lie campaign. Obama's surrogates have unfortunately slip-streamed themselves into that cultural flow.

There is also a large number of people who will vote for her simply because of all the illegitimate trashing of the WJC/HRC records. And there is no denying that Hillary is the equal of ANY politician out there. Yes, you can "interpret" that any way you wish, because it's no secret that she can rumble with the best of them.

Also, a lot of Obama supporters fail to have learned from the New York experience. Hillary won over the voters -- including conservative Republicans -- in a short period of time, refuting the lie campaigns simply by doing her job and doing it well. Obama himself has a similar history in Illinois, and like HRC, it reaches back to his college days. That lesson is actually being lost to the entire campaign, but Obama will suffer the most if he ignores it. Yet it will be the key to winning the election and establishing a strong liberal Democratic base in this country.

I find the shitstorm lamentable for another reason -- they are two strong candidates with many differences, all of which take us into positive territory. Yet none of these differences are being scrutinized in the fray. Instead, all the old Hillary hate is being resurrected, and a new strain, Obama hatred, is being lovingly cultivated.

I personally enjoy a good fight, and the chances are excellent that we, as a party, can put it all behind us within about a week. But we ought to be fighting over better issues, not the same old Freeper crap about women, blacks, Hillary, Bill, and the new Freeper crap about Obama.

--p!
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 01:38 AM
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39. If Hillary continues to manipulate the truth, People will keep calling her dishonest.
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 12:23 AM
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26. Sorry but no dice... the obama camp did not infer or spread any
of those memes except for this:

"Hillary praised Reagan even more than Obama did" - which is actually true.

On the other hand, those other memes have been around for nearly 2 decades. But they are not Obama's memes.

The difference here is that the bullshit and lies spread about Obama have come from Clinton or her surrogates. Many very powerful leaders, editorial boards, and "fact checkers", and independent journalists have confirmed as much.
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 01:07 AM
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35. Its nothing along those lines everythig is happening right here and now.
Edited on Thu Jan-24-08 01:07 AM by cooolandrew
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 10:21 AM
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42. Obama PRAISES REAGAN in his book..Audacity of Hope..BASHES LIBERALS page 31





Let's not forget his interview...He is so lame and so is ANYBODY trying to make excuses for this trader Punk! yeah................I'm pissed!

http://mydd.com/story/2008/1/22/11049/2664



Gateway Pundit has the video.

In the best part of Obama's The Audacity of Hope, Obama, with some reservations, pours even more praise on our 40th president.


That Reagan's message found such a receptive audience spoke not only to his skills as a communicator; it also spoke to the failures of liberal government, during a

period of economic stagnation, to give middle-class voters any sense that it was fighting for them. For the fact was that government at every level had become too

cavalier about spending taxpayer money. Too often, bureacracies were oblivious to the cost of their mandates. A lot of liberal rhetoric did seem to value rights and

values over duties and responsibilities.

(Obama then veers off this brilliant thought pattern and digs a bit into Reagan's legacy.)

Audacity of Hope peaks early. The above passage appears on page 31.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 11:08 PM
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12. Here is a pretty chilling one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVuMYKs8iJs&eurl=http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/hqblog

Proud to be associated with such a classy Edwards supporter.

The Clintons are putting together a pretty impressive coalition

THE COALITION OF ANYBODY BUT HILLARY COALTION
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 10:52 PM
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2. I support John and Obama and as I am from Michigan, I can do that!
I agree with you 100%!
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 10:53 PM
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3. Obama and Obamites didn't stand for Edwards. Screw them
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 11:05 PM
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11. Beg to differ
Edited on Wed Jan-23-08 11:06 PM by Kittycat
I think you will find many if not most of Obama supporters have a great deal of respect for Edwards, and from what I've seen - consider him as their second choice. I happen to be one of them. I would gladly support John if he wins the nomination - without hesitation.
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 01:14 AM
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36. I can whole heartedly agree with that at this stage.
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 01:20 PM
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43. 2nd that opinion - I really like Edwards!
Obama / Edwards ticket sound GREAT!!!!!!!:woohoo: :applause: :woohoo:
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 10:54 PM
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4. agreed
I don't happen to think he's qualified, and think he is an opportunist more than a savior or whatever it is people think he is - but the Clinton campaign's sniping and carping is Swiftboat II. They disgust me. I have lost what marginal respect I had for Bill too.

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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 10:58 PM
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6. That's very gracious and honest of you. Thanks!
:hi:
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DianaForRussFeingold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 10:58 PM
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7. I'm in! To show my support for fellow DUers! and
Edited on Wed Jan-23-08 11:02 PM by DianaForRussFeingold
:hug: :yourock: a 'Really Beautiful family'

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 11:49 PM
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19. Cute little girls..thank you,
Diana!
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Labors of Hercules Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 10:15 AM
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41. He does have a good looking family!
Put them together and it makes a nice combination!

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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 10:59 PM
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8. And you can bet they won't get away with it toward Edwards with me around!
thank you
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parasim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 11:03 PM
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10. Agreed!
:thumbsup:
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Sadie5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 11:10 PM
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13. poor innocent Obama
Obama needs to learn that if he throws out the first punch then he can expect to get whats coming to him. He made the "Walmart" remark and I guess Hillary wasn't allowed to defend herself. Obama needs to take responsibility for his punches.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 11:35 PM
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16. He told the truth, she didn't
Do you seriously not see the difference?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 11:53 PM
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22. Acting clueless doesn't become you..
LaborOfHercules wasn't even refering to that..but hey. It's the clintons smears and jeers since they saw Obama's polls rising.

DJ13 (400 posts) Tue Jan-22-08 11:29 PM
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10. Zip It, Bill!
Karen Russell
Tue Jan 22, 10:50 AM ET

Senator Obama nailed it during the South Carolina debate when he mentioned Bill Clinton, "I can't tell who I'm running against sometimes."

http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/huffpost/cm_huffpost/s... /*http://hillaryattacks.barackobama.com /
Don't get me wrong. I love Bill Clinton. I always have. I hope I always will. But lately, not so much.

In the '90s President Clinton's slickness was just sad and creepy. I remember "slick" Clinton when he fibbed that he "didn't inhale". I cringed when Clinton wagged his finger at America insisting that he did not "have sexual relations with that woman." I was downright embarrassed when, with a straight-face, Clinton declared "that depends on the definition of what "is" is.

Well, "slick" Clinton is back. Frankly, I'm disappointed.

Before Iowa, "Hillary the Inevitable" had the numbers, the machine and the name on her side in this race. Despite being the clear and unequivocal underdog, Obama built a grassroots campaign, brought in independents and got disillusioned Republicans to cross the aisle.

Obama starting gaining ground and closing the gap. That's when the "fun" started. That's when Hillary told reporters about her plans to attack Obama.

For months, we saw "the inevitable frontrunner" running a tight and disciplined campaign. Then as Obama rose in the polls, suddenly Hillary and her surrogates started dropping a series of "misunderstood" slurs. They fit a familiar pattern, "smear, play dumb, own up and apologize". Rinse, lather and repeat.

We are supposed to believe that as Obama gained ground on Clinton that it's just mere coincidence that Clinton surrogates painted Obama as a risky "shucking and jiving", "roll of the dice", "cocaine-loving", "drug-dealing", ";Reagan-loving", "closet-Muslim" , "fairytale-living", "establishment", "less black than President Clinton" "rookie"?

We are supposed to believe that these are isolated "mistakes". Remember these are the people who went after Senator Obama's kindergarten record and then tried play it off as a joke.

Now it appears that "Trasher-in-Chief" Bill is in charge of keeping the "fun" going. Apparently, the Clinton campaign figured out that having Hillary taking the cheap shots at her opponents made her less "likable".

It started with Clinton trashing Obama on the war. When a red-faced and angry Clinton twisted Obama's anti-war record calling it a "fairytale". However, according to the New York Times, "; a review of Mr. Obama's statements on Iraq since 2002 shows that he has opposed the war against Saddam Hussein consistently, calling it ''dumb'' and ''rash.'' "

All of the Clinton's huffing and puffing won't change the fact that Hillary Clinton voted for the war and that Obama has always been against it.

Then in Nevada, Clinton claimed that Obama was running ads "telling Republicans that they ought to just register as Democrats for a day so they can beat Hillary and go out and be Republicans next week and vote in the primary. Doesn't sound like the new politics to me."

This simply isn't true. Those ads don't exist. To many, the idea of getting Republicans to cross the aisle and become "Obama Republicans" is appealing. Remind me again, what is wrong with trying to woo independents and Republicans? Taylor Marsh seems to think there's something wrong with that.

Ms. Marsh, also ran with the Clinton exaggeration of voter intimidation, "New York Sen. Hillary Clinton's campaign had a story it wanted to tell this week, so it turned to a friendly blogger. Taylor Marsh, who in the past has been paid by a union now backing Clinton, quickly ran with the story: Members of the Culinary Union were being intimidated to vote for Illinois Sen. Barack Obama, whom the union endorsed last week. Under scrutiny, the story didn't exactly pan out. But no matter."

President Clinton went on to claim Obama said Republicans had all the good ideas, "Her principal opponent said that since 1992, the Republicans have had all the good ideas...I can't imagine any Democrat seeking the presidency would say they were the party of new ideas for the last 15 years. But it sounded good in Reno I guess...So now it turns out you can choose between somebody who thinks our ideas or better or the Republicans had all the good ideas."

The Clinton assertion that Obama said Republicans had "all the good ideas" just isn't true. Obama said the Republican challenged "conventional wisdom" and moved the country in a fundamentally different direction and that we Democrats can learn from that strategy. That people wanted optimism, clarity and to talk differently about issues and values. Obama pointed out that the unfortunately the Republican ideas promoted by this strategy were bad and wrong.

When Obama was asked how his being the nominee would help other Democrats get elected he said, "I think Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of America in a way that, you know, Richard Nixon did not and in a way that Bill Clinton did not. He put us on a fundamentally different path because the country was ready for it. They felt like, you know, with all the excesses of the 60s and the 70s and government had grown and grown but there wasn't much sense of accountability in terms of how it was operating and he tapped into what people were already feeling. Which is, people wanted clarity, we want optimism, we want a return to that sense of dynamic and entrepreneurship that had been missing, alright? I think Kennedy, twenty years earlier, moved the country in a fundamentally different direction. So I think a lot of it just has to do with the times. I think we're in one of those times right now. Where people feel like things as they are going aren't working. We're bogged down in the same arguments that we've been having, and they're not useful. And, you know, the Republican approach, I think, has played itself out. I think it's fair to say the Republicans were the party of ideas for a pretty long chunk of time there over the last ten, fifteen years, in the sense that they were challenging conventional wisdom. Now, you've heard it all before. You look at the economic policies when they're being debated among the Presidential candidates and it's all tax cuts. Well, you know, we've done that, we tried it. That's not really going to solve our energy problems, for example. So, some of it's the times. And some of it's, I think, there's maybe a generation element to this, partly. In the sense that there's a, I didn't did come of age in the battles of the 60s. I'm not as invested in them. And so I think I talk differently about issues. And I think I talk differently about values. And that's why, I think we've been resonating with the American people."

Senator Clinton continued "the twist" of Obama's words during the debate. Why is Team Billary twisting the facts on Senator Obama? They are playing to win, truth be damned. Campaigning for his wife is one thing but continuing to trash Obama with misrepresentations is frankly disappointing. Daddy Bush didn't trash John McCain when McCain was running against Shrub. Clinton needs to rein it in. If Hillary can't control Bill or her surrogates, why do we believe she's ready to lead on day one?

Think about how the Clinton campaign responded to Bob Johnson's smear. When she was caught between a rock and a big donor, look how she responded.

First, they denied it was a smear and "took him on his word". Yeah, right. Unlike less powerful surrogates, they couldn't get Johnson to walk the plank. Finally, after Johnson was rightfully shamed into apologizing, Clinton conveniently flip-flopped claiming Johnson was "out of bounds". Hillary was for the smear before she was against it. It's familiar territory for her.

And, if it's true that Hillary is not campaigning in South Carolina, this is just the Clintons lowering expectations.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/huffpost/20080122/cm_huffpost/0... ;_ylt=AtDt1i93AQHVgpICphNm1Das0NUE
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 11:16 PM
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14. Kick!
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peoli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 11:37 PM
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17. I love John Edwards now because of you. Thanks.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 11:46 PM
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18. Thank you, Mr, Hercules! As an Obama
supporter.. I think John Edwards would be great for our country, too, and I will always defend him.
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angie_love Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 11:51 PM
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21. True
My second choice is Edwards, I think he'd make a fine president. I can't support Hillary for all the aforementioned reasons.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 11:51 PM
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20. Good on you Labors of Hercules!
:thumbsup:
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 11:55 PM
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23. I have John's back when the Clinton tag team attack him and lie about his record
We know who the ball and chain is on the Democratic Party. It is paramount to stop them or else we have another 8 years of Repugged De-Americanization.

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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 01:16 AM
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37. Yep, we're not really wanting to be against each other just a fair race.
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 12:18 AM
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25. Wow. Thank you.
:)
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rufus dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 12:28 AM
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27. way to be a uniter LOH
nice to see after all of the scorched earth policies being practiced.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 12:35 AM
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28. You are a mensch, sir.
A very classy gesture, and I thank you. ;)
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 12:43 AM
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30. If you said good things about HRC, the same people would be trashing you
You do know that, don't you?

--p!
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 01:02 AM
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33. Thank you =). We appreciate the moral support Hope if he makes it Edwards gets vp or vice versa.
Edited on Thu Jan-24-08 01:05 AM by cooolandrew
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 01:51 AM
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40. I cannot. I cannot stand up for someone that plays the race card
often now and then pretends, who me? Obama clothes are slowly coming off and this wek america is getting a good look at the man and it is not a pretty sight....this will be is last hoopla, cause come sunday and in florida and then 2/5 obama is going for the hard fall to hrc....
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