The Clintons have never done anything as underhanded as Obama's "bungled" votes. DISGRACE.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

This issue isn't going away. It shows the lowest form of dishonesty I've ever seen in politics, AND is the same kind of accountability dodge that Bush has used to fuck over this country for the last 8 years.

The usual campaign bickering of shading the opponent's words and glossing over your own doesn't even begin to approach this level of deception.

In this case Obama isn't just fucking over his opponent he's fucking over the people with a shit eating "ain't I clever" smile.

Clinton is vindicated on her comments that Obama never takes accountability for his votes. She probably knew about this issue.

Nobody is going to believe for a second that these votes on "hotly contested" issues were a mistake because it's an established pattern of white washing and waffling (on the IWR and "present") votes.



http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-obamavotes24jan24,1,7079399.story

The rules allow state lawmakers to clear up a mishap if they suffered from a momentary case of stumbly fingers or a lapse in attention. Correcting the record is common practice in the Illinois Legislature, where lawmakers routinely cast numerous votes in a hurry.

But some lawmakers say the practice also offers a relatively painless way to placate both sides of a difficult issue. Even if a lawmaker admits an error, the actual vote stands and the official record merely shows the senator's "intent."

[Unsane]

1. More nonsense from you

dont bump his thread

[tabatha]

3. 5 mistakes out of 4,000

that sounds like a statistical MOE

[jackson_dem]

37. Not based on the article

One of the folks quoted in it has done it 0 times. If it was just statistical why did Obama's tend to come on controversial votes?

[rodeodance]

4. and a big REC

[durrrty libby]

8. Bump

[rodeodance]

12. is that like a kick

[Proud2BAmurkin]

14. that's what I'd like to know

[rodeodance]

20. , kicky poo

[durrrty libby]

35. Nah, no pointy toe tip

[jackson_dem]

38. Oops, I pressed the "post message" button by mistake

[AX10]

2. How do you vote Senator Obama: "Present"

Senator Obama Votes Present!

[Proud2BAmurkin]

6. "present, I mean yay, I mean nay" tee heh

[jackson_dem]

39. And then say you're "undecided" afterwards!

[awaysidetraveler]

34. How do you vote Hillary? Just lie, when they ask questions, lie some more. When they want truth?

Tell them you stand for integrity.

[Lucinda]

5. Obama has been VERY consistent about his anti-gambling stance

I have no reason to think his vote wasn't just an error on that one.

[rodeodance]

10. But he did the BIG OOPS at the time:

But two of Obama's bumbles came on more-sensitive topics. On Nov. 14, 1997, he backed legislation to permit riverboat casinos to operate even when the boats were dockside.

The measure, pushed by the gambling industry and fought by church groups whose support Obama was seeking, passed with two "yeas" to spare -- including Obama's. Moments after its passage he rose to say, "I'd like to be recorded as a no vote," explaining that he had mistakenly voted for it.

Obama would later develop a reputation as a critic of the gambling industry, and he voted against a similar measure two years later. But he was clearly confused about how to handle the issue at the time of his first vote, telling a church group on a 1998 campaign questionnaire that he was "undecided" about whether he backed an expansion of riverboat gambling. And, months earlier, he had voted in favor of a version of the bill.

The senator who led the opposition to the gambling measure, Republican Todd Sieben, said he took Obama at his word that the initial vote was an error. But Sieben also said the thin margin of victory was a sign that perhaps there was more to the vote than met the eye. "He was obviously paying attention to this vote. It was a major, major issue in the state, and it was a long debate," Sieben said. "The inadvertent 'Oops, I missed the switch' -- I'd be kind of skeptical of that."

[Proud2BAmurkin]

13. Good thing for Obama he won't win. Wouldn't want to peel that gambling vote onion.

[Nailzberg]

29. The bill never became law.

The vote in question was a committee report on the bill and occurred on the last day of the year. The committee report being approved, the bill was sent back to the house, which never took it back up. The bill died with the session's end.


It's common practice in the world of newpaper staffing cuts to generate articles from campaign oppo sources without thorough factchecking. The New York Times article on Obama's present votes, for example, could never have made the mistake on the Adult zoning bill had they done the research necessary to write the story. The bill status and the floor transcripts both clearly indicate the bill failed. The Times reported it passed. They had to print a correction.

Likewise, if the LA Times had actually researched this bungled vote, they would have seen "Session Sin Die" listed as the final action of the bill.


Illinois eventually did allow open entry to riverboat casinos, but not through the bill in question.

[HeraldSquare212]

7. Your posts on this topic have exceeded the votes at issue ten-fold. nt

[Proud2BAmurkin]

9. There should be one for every kid Obama cut off welfare while thinking how clever he was

[NYCGirl]

16. And of course Clinton never did anything to cut people off welfare.

:eyes:

[Nailzberg]

33. No kids were cut off welfare.

This was an item veto on the DCFS budget that the Democratic minority could not have overturned. They lacked a simple majority, let alone the 3/5ths vote needed to override the Governor's veto.

To claim Obama's error somehow screwed kids out of welfare is incorrect. The line item veto closed a local DCFS office, but did not targeting funds for DCFS services.

[cali]

11. I love the smell of your sweaty desperation in the afternoon

It's delightful.

[ProSense]

15. Death penalty

Death penalty

[Proud2BAmurkin]

18. yes Obama is for the death penalty. Said it's a way to "show outrage"

[rodeodance]

21. umm... hard labor--taking away assets--so many other ways

[jackson_dem]

40. It is hard to know where he stands on anything. He is against the DP and for it at the same time

[dionysus]

17. another day, another bunch of lies and horseshit.

you really have no shame.

[Scriptor Ignotus]

19. FYI

Bill Clinton got a blowjob from a woman other than his wife while serving as President of the United Sates of America and then lied to the world about it.

maybe I'm strange, but in my book, that is WAY MORE underhanded than botching .1% of your votes.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

22. blow job is more underhanded than deceiving/fucking over the people to save your own political ass?

[Scriptor Ignotus]

23. well Bill deceived our country and the world and then he fucked over his wife

so yeah. It is way, way, way more underhanded.

I don't believe Obama did anything malicious, he simply made a mistake .1% of the time he voted. I would agree that this is something to be concerned about, but in perspective, a very minor thing to be concerned about. I think the Lewinksy scandal cost Al Gore the White House, Diebold or not. So yeah, I consider that to be a much larger transgression.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

24. no he didn't deceive you. It was none of your fuckin business to put it politely.

[Dr. Strange]

26. Yeah, but come on...

if it was none of our fuckin business, then he should have shut the fuck up!

Besides, it WAS clearly our business...it just depends on what the meaning of the word WAS is.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

30. he did try to STFU but you can't do that under subpoena

[Dr. Strange]

36. No, I mean the finger-pointing at the public.

He didn't need to tell the public jack-squat.
And he really shouldn't have.

[Scriptor Ignotus]

28. assuming you're correct

which I don't think you are, then he just deceived his wife and family. is that better?

[Proud2BAmurkin]

31. I'd bet money if you spent 100 million investigating Obama 50/50 chance he's done it too

[jackson_dem]

41. A BJ versus shutting down a welfare office?

[Scriptor Ignotus]

44. was it just a BJ?

seems like it was adultery to me. Oh yeah, also perjury. And if not perjury, then lying to the American public. And cheating on your wife and having the entire world know about it. Yeah, that seems a tad worse to me, but I guess we can agree to disagree on that one.

The article doesn't make it clear that the office did shut down. The Democratic state senator who was angry with Obama at the time of the vote is now backing him, so I guess he wasn't that upset about it.

[TeamJordan23]

25. "I did not have sexual relations with that woman.."

LYING TO THE COUNTRY IS OKAY I GUESS.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

32. "I MEANT to vote for that welfare package. oops. teh heh..." disgrace

[stray cat]

27. I wasn't crazy about the fiasco with the first Clinton Health care package

or his impeachment or losing the house and senate to the republicans or fixing the deficit just for W to become president and waste it all or about him sleeping around constantly on Hillary.

[Little Star]

42. k&r

[joshcryer]

43. I agree, when I learned of this my mind was completely blown. Dirty politics at its finest.