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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:38 PM
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kucinich supporters check in and discuss, what do we do now?
Edited on Thu Jan-24-08 05:36 PM by fenriswolf
well where do we go from here? Do we back someone else or go home? I'm rooting for edwards now just because he has the most populist message and he is the one i think who has the least corrupting influence surrounding him.

*word is he is leaving to defend his seat. Be sure to send some contributions his way as we definatly don't want to loose him as a congressman.
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Rambis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:39 PM
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1. Edwards
I will not feed the Nader ego-
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:40 PM
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2. def not. the only person I would vote 3rd party for
would be kucinich.
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:40 PM
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3. I will still vote for him on 02/05, if he is on my ballot
:)
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laruemtt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:40 PM
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4. i'll be going to edwards here.
clinton and obama are way too DLC for my tastes.
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:41 PM
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5. Edwards. N/T
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:42 PM
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6. Edwards.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:43 PM
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7. I was going to caucus for Kucinich on February 5th...
Now I think I'll go with Edwards.
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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:44 PM
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8. Edwards is the only one of the three I can stand at all.
I just hope he will do what he says he will do. We all know damn well Hillary WON'T. And Obama..... His "unity" message doesn't play out when all his conciliatory language is going in one direction, to the right.

Edwards it is..... reluctantly. :evilfrown:
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vanboggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:44 PM
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9. I'm glad to see this Edwards support
Edited on Thu Jan-24-08 04:53 PM by vanboggie
I have been an Edwards supporter from the get go, but if this was John bowing out, Dennis would be the only other one I'd consider voting for. I could not vote Rethuglican Lite for the DLC'ers who have the supposed lead.

We welcome you to the tent of the other candidate for the people.



Edited to clarify glad to see Edwards support, not glad to see DK drop out.

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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:45 PM
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10. Go to Lee Mercer, Jr.
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:46 PM
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11. OK, now I'm torn. n/t
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:46 PM
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12. I'm caucusing Uncommitted for president
There's a big US Senate race I'm going to focus on instead, but I'll still be working on the same issues (ending the war, single-payer universal health care, fair trade, etc.)
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elias7 Donating Member (913 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:52 PM
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13. I don't trust Edwards
He seems a little too lightweight as well. I hear a strong rhetoric but I don't see a record or a plan to back it up.

Obama has great charisma, a great mind, unifying qualities, but not a lot of experience.

Clinton is a doer, an administrator, someone who will get stuff done, but i don't always know where she is exactly.

That being said, I would vote for any of the three.

But I think I'll keep my Kucinich '08 bumper sticker on a little longer...
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:54 PM
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14. Plan B
and then Plan C. :-(
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:59 PM
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15. I suspect I will be writing him in...
on the 5th. He was the only one whose positions mirrored mine almost 100% and who I trusted to do the right thing. Being in California gives me the luxury of voting my conscious.

Edwards woudl have been my fallback candidate if all I was basing my vote on was his recent campaigning -- unfortunately, his record in the Senate says differantly.

I may spend the next few weeks pushing Edwards here in SF, but still voting Kuch.
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Hatchling Donating Member (968 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:12 PM
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16. Donate to his Congressional Campaign on Payday
Nothing else to do and he's got a tough fight for re-election. Make a choice between the others for the Primaries, support the nominee in the GE and look deeply into whether there is a third party I should offer my support to after that or if staying in the Dem party and trying to change it is worth it.
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:19 PM
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18. def at the very least
keep him in congress. we cannot let his voice die out.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:14 PM
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17. I'm backing Edwards now. n/t
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:19 PM
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19. Have a drink, pour some out for our Constitution.
I have no idea what I'm going to do for the primary.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:38 PM
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29. Nevermind. I'm still voting Dennis in the primary.
He's the only one I can support.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:45 PM
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34. Yeah, me too
But I think we figured that out in the Official DU Vegans for Kucinich Strategy Meeting.



(That sounds way cooler than saying we private messaged about it, eh?)
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old guy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:20 PM
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20. I will sit out the rest of the primaries,
then mark an X behind the Dem in the GE. I'll be voting against the repub, not really for the Dem.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:20 PM
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21. May I suggest voting for him if he's on your primary ballot?
I plan on voting for Bill Richardson, and will then support who ever gets our nomination.
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Tektonik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:25 PM
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22. Edwards
although I'm sure Kucinich will be endorsing Obama due to bad blood between him and JE
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Cal Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:36 PM
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28. The Cleveland Plain Dealer indicates that he said he isn't endorsing anyone
in the Democratic race.
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:39 PM
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31. yup
kucinich being the purist he is. Cant put himself behind any one person 100%, Us only having one vote do not have that option. We have to pick someone, so either these guys or voting out of party.
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GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:28 PM
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23. I guess I'm switching to Gravel
I really don't give a fuck. Not that I ever had any illusions about Kucinich winning, but so long as he was in there, he provided a more or less honest voice on issues that none of the other candidates are dealing with. Health care. The war. The war on drugs. Foreign policy. Impeachment and consequences for imperial malfeasance. His positions on these and other issues are heads and shoulders above those of his competitors. They don't even come close. Clinton and Edwards are out as possibilities for me, primary or general. Obama is skating on thin ice. The country has its head up its collective ass.

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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:31 PM
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24. Obama spoke out against the idea of invading Iraq back in October 2002
I would expect that might mean something to (former) supporters of Dennis Kucinich.

Just sayin' ...
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:35 PM
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27. yeah except he didn't have a chance to vote for the IWR
so we can't really judge him on that. And also all 3 of the current candidates have voted to keep funding the war. So in my opinion regarding the war in iraq all 3 of them are on equal footing. Its actually like that for almost all their issues. from health care to their economic package they are all the same they just differ on the small points. The fix is in already and no one candidate is ultimatly going to be better then the other. But then again maybe I'm splitting hairs.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:48 PM
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38. It was the single defining issue for me, fenriswolf. Kucinich & Obama opposed the war.
And regardless of what the other poster said, the fact is that Barack opposed the war publicly WHEN he was running to be the Senator of Illinois and when the war was popular. Those that say "well, he didn't vote against it" gloss over the fact that he took a very unpopular position while trying to run for the U.S. Senate.

Kucinich and Obama both opposed this stupid war. The others voted for it and some have apologized (Edwards) and one still refuses to (Clinton).

For me, it was the war. It is still the war.

And Dennis is a hero to me. He didn't lose, the corporate media shut him down. If Barack wasn't a man of color, he would have already been shut down, too.
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:52 PM
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40. true but as a candidate
Obama had to fortune to not be able to vote for it yet. He could take a position that was "popular" at the time and not actually have to follow through. Now I'm not saying that he would have voted for it but what I am saying is that "words" have no meaning to me anymore. It is actions. As he was not a congressman at the time his words meant nothing.
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:16 PM
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48. He's also voted to continue funding the war
That is something that has troubled me about Obama.
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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 08:23 PM
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49. Obama was not against the war unless Bush was too
Obama wrote an article, July 27, 2004 Chicago Tribune, where he said:

"On Iraq, on paper, there's not as much difference, I think, between the Bush administration and a Kerry administration as there would have been a year ago," Obama said during a luncheon meeting with editors and reporters of Tribune newspapers. "There's not that much difference between my position and George Bush's position at this stage. The difference, in my mind, is who's in a position to execute."

He also told the NY Times that year that while he had opposed the war he did not have access to classified information and did not know how he would have voted if he had been in the Senate.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:32 PM
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25. I will still vote for him
in my primary on 2/5
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Red Knight Donating Member (346 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:34 PM
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26. Edwards
but I'm not happy about it.

I do plan to send money to Dennis for his congressional race. It would suck to lose that seat to some corporate cutout.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:38 PM
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30. :)
(slicks down hair, puts on Sunday best)

Have you thought about Obama?
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:42 PM
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32. don't like liqued coal.
Don't like the fact that in order to pander to the religious people he started associated with homophobes and hate mongers. Don't like the fact that he seems to be beholding to coal interests and its futures. Plus that debate on CNN locked edwards as my second once i saw that horrible display between them. thanks though.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:43 PM
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33. Curses.
Foiled again.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:46 PM
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35. Fortunately, my ballot comes with a write in option.
If Gravel doesn't get the nomination.

Edwards is a possible "nose-holder".

The other two....fuggedaboudit.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:46 PM
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36. I will still vote for him on the primary ballot
I want to, at least once this election cycle, vote for somebody, as opposed to either voting against someone or voting the lesser of two evils.

I don't trust, nor like, any of the other candidates left. They are all corporately compromised and quite frankly there is little difference between the three. This was driven home forcefully watching the Nevada debates.

I'm really at a loss as to what to do next. Kucinich is one of the few reasons that I've stuck with the Democratic party, and with him out of the race none of the Democratic options are good. I've become sick and tired of this two party/same corporate master system of government we have, and I might just go Green this year. We'll see, November is a long way off, and a lot of things can happen between now and then. A lot depends on who the nominee will be, both for the Dems and the 'Pugs.

But sadly, right now, the last true Democratic voice has been silenced in this race. And with that voice gone, who is going to speak for, much less represent those of us who are liberal, progressive, and true Democrats? Certainly not the top three candidates, they are just three different flavors of corporatism.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:47 PM
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37. Edwards is a possibilty. So are the Greens.
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:49 PM
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39. here's an idea
is the green party the new democratic party?
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BringEmOn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 06:04 PM
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41. Will caucus for Edwards or uncommitted on Feb 9th.
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DesertRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 06:16 PM
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42. Kucinich is on my Feb. 5 ballot. I'm still voting for him. n/t
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 04:12 AM
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50. if no one can stop HRC then I too will vote DK
:kick:
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 06:18 PM
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43. anyone writing in
Ron Paul?
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rch35 Donating Member (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 06:57 PM
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45. no
nonononononononononono

no
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Kashka-Kat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 06:29 PM
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44. HELP WITH HIS congressional campaign $$$ evidentally he is facing some particularly nasty
& well funded opposition

& I'll vote for Edwards
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Joe Fields Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:00 PM
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46. Edwards.
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tokenlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:15 PM
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47. Sorry about Dennis dropping out...
I remember how crappy I felt after Clark dropped out in 2004. I was down in the dumps for a few days. And when he didn't run this year I felt my hopes betrayed for awhile.
Dennis is a class act!
I wish the best to everyone who is demoralized today. Get a good nights sleep and may the pain ease up soon.
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