Carville on Crossfire....

[blm]

Carville looks ECSTATIC about the idea of Kerry doing well tonight.

Begala on, too. They have the full team on for Super Tuesday commentary.

[Renew Deal]

1. Carville started pushing Kerry when Dean

started criticizing Clinton. He did it on MTP and crossfire

[maxanne]

2. Carville

is a shill for the DNC.

[MidwestTransplant]

3. Carville is a smart guy

[The Blue Knight]

4. I like Carville.

[Renew Deal]

5. Carville is a smart guy and I like him.

He is a good guy to have on our side.

[Blue_Roses]

27. Yes he is

and a tough cajun too!

[sangh0]

11. A shill for the DNC?

Is that the new hip term for what people of my generation called "Democrats"?

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[HuskerDem]

20. Only the hip, enlightened and TRULY progressive

people get it dontcha know? Democrats are the new neocons, more evil than Bush. :crazy:

This place is shoulder deep in sour grapes and puffery. :nopity:

[Feanorcurufinwe]

30. LOL

[Kahuna]

36. A "shill?" No, he is not a "shill." He is a prominent DNC..

leader. There's no secret about that! He's a top dog. He does fundraisers and everything. :eyes:

[Evil_Dewers]

41. DNC - Democratic National Committee

I'm a shill for the DNC. I'm a DEMOCRAT.

In fact, I was a delegate once.

[dave29]

6. Carville called me a snot nosed brat

for supporting Howard Dean. I'm still working on forgiving him for that.

:wtf:

[PurityOfEssence]

7. Of course, Begala has to get it wrong again

Man, this guy annoys me. Sure it's great to have a lefty attack dog, but he always stoops to juvenile belittling of people and misinformation.

He just pointed out that Kerry had beaten Edwards in all the primaries up to now except for one. Someone needs to remind him of Oklahoma: Edwards was 2nd and Kerry 3rd; that means Edwards beat Kerry in two contests. Sheesh.

[flpoljunkie]

8. Carville is smokin'!

He and Begala definitely got game today!

[TomSeaver]

9. Carville

if very good for our party. Is he going to be working with Kerry at all?

[flpoljunkie]

15. Yes. On Crossfire, which is great. Otherwise, I have no clue.

Altho, I would doubt it.

[lams712]

10. I dislike both Carville and Begala...

...they are elitist, Washington-insider, DLC shills. If they are what pass for "liberalism" in the media, then they are irrefutable proof that there is ABSOLUTELY NO LIBERAL BIAS IN THE MEDIA.

[NightNurse]

12. Hmmmmmmmmmmm

:nuke:

[corporatewhore]

13. ditto

[Desertrose]

16. don't want to but have to agree with you...

Carville & Begala are pretty disappointing most of the time.....


Peace
Dr

[Evil_Dewers]

17. I dislike both Carville and Begala...

How do you feel about Nofacts Novacula and bow tie wearing Fucker Carlson?

[SaddenedDem]

18. Never forget

It was James Carville who created and got Zell Miller elected as Governor in Georgia.

Given Zell's endorsement of Bush* I think that says a lot about James Carville.

[codegreen]

19. well, to be fair, Mike Malloy was helping Zell also

and Mike's credentials are pretty damn good as a progressive...

i think Zell was different then

[TomSeaver]

22. Oh come on

how was he to know Zell was going to start eating with the enemies

[Hippo_Tron]

28. Carville created Zell when he was actually a good guy...

The two haven't been on speaking terms since Zell became a DINO.

[hlthe2b]

32. Carville has denounced Miller. since his turnabout... and in all fairness,

Zell was not the Republican shill he is today, back then.

[LiberalFighter]

33. You confirmed what I had heard.

There was no way that Begala would had known that a scumbag like Zell would endorse another scumbag from the other party.

[lams712]

21. At least they are true to their own kind...

...they are right-wing Republicans whose views represent most right-wing voters. I don't feel the same way about Carville and Begala, whose views represent only a fraction of how the left actually feels.

[Evil_Dewers]

24. ...they are right-wing Republicans whose views represent most right-wing

No they aren't. They are GOP shills who help out CIA NOCs for political gain. They are neo-cons who believe in the New World Order.

[lams712]

25. I don't want to get into semantical arguments...

...about the meaning of right wing vs. neo-con., etc.

All I'm trying to say with regards to the media, the right is ususally represented by people who are really right-wing while the left gets represented by moderates who don't really represent the views of most people on the left.

[Hippo_Tron]

29. By fraction, surely you mean 9/10ths n/t

[Viking12]

37. Well, it was pretty funny

When Pucker and NoFacts got all agitated with Carville's enthusiasm for Kerry. I normally don't get pleasure from others misfortunes, but to see those two squirm is a lot of fun.

[PurityOfEssence]

23. I can understand the Begala part, but not Carville

He's an original. There's a visceral and gutsy strain of ethical belief in this unchained id of a guy. Why he lives with that harpy is beyond any understanding and does call his objectivity into question, but he's a great and unabashed voice.

The right absolutely hates him, and he doesn't pander to them one little bit. Begala, on the other hand, is always saying what a fine fellow Bush is while slagging him, and he always has to trot out that photo of him and his brother killing Bambi's Dad to prove what a MAN he is. What sent me over the edge with Begala was when he refered to "...atheists like Hitler and Tim McVeigh...", when both of them were good Catholics just like him. The time when he was interviewing the spokesperson from PETA (remotely, not in studio) while eating a Kentucky Fried Chicken drumstick and having interns pass out chicken pieces to the audience was deeply disgusting and beyond reprehensible.

Carville, though, is a treasure.

[Protagoras]

26. elitists?

Could you explain that term to me? I see it used a lot...but seldom defined.

[lams712]

34. They are UNELECTED WASHINGTON INSIDERS......

....whose influence is disproportionate to their actual achievements.

[Johnyawl]

38. What utter nonsense!

James Carville was instrumental in giving us the ONLY Democratic President elected to two terms since FDR, and you're trying to say he has no "actual achievements"?

[lams712]

39. It's more a rip on the whole "politcal consulting industrial complex"....

...I personally feel campaign consultants are almost as useless as advertising (it's essentially the same industry)or other form of salesmen. I also feel they are part of the problem in American politics and not the solution. Also, getting a de-facto moderate Republican like Bill Clinton re-elected is NOT an impressive feat.

[SangamonTaylor]

40. de facto moderate Rupblican

that's funny.

[lams712]

43. Yeah, well that's my story.....

...AND I'M STICKING TO IT!!! Do we really have to rehash all the Republican measures Clinton supported over the years.

I personally thought Bill Clinton sucked. THAT'S MY OPINION. Get over it. I am more interested in GETTING JOHN KERRY ELECTED in 2004.

[sangh0]

42. Umm, first it was Carville and Begala

now it the "whole political consulting industrial complex"

Since when are Carville and Begala the "whole political consulting industrial complex"?

[lams712]

44. They are a part of the Washington insider metality....

and (Carville namely) a PART of a generally socially USELESS industry. Did you see the TV show on HBO several months ago called "K Street"??? It (unintentionally) provided a glimpse into this insider/consultant world. I PERSONALLY DO NOT LIKE IT OR THE PEOPLE INVOLVED IN IT. That's my own personal OPINION.

[sangh0]

45. I don't think winning elections is USELESS

So what have YOU done that make you so USEFUL? (Hint: Watching K Street is NOT what I had in mind)

[lams712]

46. Please to make this into PERSONAL ATTACKS on me.....

....I just expressed an opinion that I don't like the politcal consultant puppet-master ruling class. I'm just a typical working-class union member who cares about average people and their issues. Sometimes I think the consultants are out of touch with us "common folks", that's all I'm saying. And to address your "winning elections" point. Winning means nothing if you don't do anything with it. Clinton "won" but governed as a Republican. From the point of view of someone like me I felt like we just got a less mean pro-choice Republican, and THAT WAS NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

[sangh0]

47. Stop flattering yourself

Your opinions, though legitimate, are not enough to support your opinions. If you want to defend your opinions, you ought to, at some point, post something other than your opinions. Like some facts. A few of those might help. I'll show you what I mean,

Sometimes I think the consultants are out of touch with us "common folks", that's all I'm saying

It's a fact that you have been saying a whole lot more. You have also said that Carville and Begala are "useless". That's a fact. Another fact is that they helped Clinton win an election. That's another fact. It contradicts your opinion.

I also said that I don't think winning elections is useless. That's an opinion

[lams712]

49. Those are opinions douchebag!!!!!

I'm not contradicting myself either. I THINK CONSULTANTS ARE PART OF A USELESS INDUSTRY. I DON'T GIVE A FUCK WHO THEY "HELPED" WIN AN ELECTION. SOMETIMES "WINNING" IS USELESS IF YOU DON'T ACCOMPLISH ANYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


WHAT THE FUCK IS SO DIFFICULT FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND????


DU IS A FORUM TO EXPRESS OPINIONS!!!!!!!!


THE ORIGINAL THREAD WAS JUST ME STATING I DISLIKED CARVILLE AND BEGALA. THAT WAS AN OPINION!!!!! WHEN PRESSED AS TO WHY, I EXPRESSED ANOTHER OPINION!!!!!!


SO FUCK YOU WITH YOUR SANCTIMONIOUS "FACT" BULLSHIT!!!!! YOUR POINTS WOULD BE VALID IF I WERE PASSSING MY OPINIONS OFF AS FACT, BUT I ALWAYS, REPEAT, ALWAYS SAID THAT I WAS EXPRESSING AN OPINION!!!!

[Exgeneral]

48. Carville's only client-a Venezuelan Consortium

dedicated to overthrowing Chavez to favor US corporate interests there.

Off hand, I'd say he's lost his gravitas
Or Kerry is....well, we've heard it before.

[JI7]

31. Carville, pretty early on was for John Kerry

well, didn't really come out and endorse him, but from the way he talked i could tell he wanted john kerry to win. carville was right about clinton, and kerry now.

[Kahuna]

35. Kerry was always the favorite of the DNC. Clark was plan..

B.. to stop Dean. FACTS! Of course Carville and Begala are ecstatic about Kerry's win. I don't have a problem with that. I feel very good knowing that Carville, with his enormous talent will now get behind Kerry to deliver for us in November. Go Carville!