If the Republicans steal the GE again, will you take to the streets?

[Padraig18]

I'm quite serious here. If there is evidence of electoral fraud in the GE again this year, will you take to the streets?

I will.

[kalian]

1. Take to the streets in what way....?

:shrug:
If the dem "leaders" don't fight it, then what guarantees do we
have as citizens that we won't be slaughtered as "terrorists"?

I'm dead serious...

[Padraig18]

5. I'll die a free man on my feet...

... rather than a slave cowering in the shadows!

[kalian]

8. Didn't say that I would NOT fight....

did I?

Sometimes, its much more prudent to PICK and CHOOSE your fights.
Sometimes, its best to size up the situation and come back another
day.

[Zhade]

14. That's what America did in 2000.

I'll take to the streets if they steal this one. If they steal it, we're all going to wind up on Ashcroft's list anyway. Might as well go down fighting.

[kalian]

23. And my question is....?

what would have changed had we "gone out to the street" after the
2000 elections?
NOW we DO know what shrub and his minions are capable of doing.
Given their new powers, by going out to the streets that have
literally been granted carte blanche and they will use it to their
advantage.

I would MUCH rather have you gents/ladies alive for use further
down the road. Just throwing yourself into the meatgrinder is
a waste of valueble assets.

It will play, IMHO, right into their hands. It will "prove" to their
followers that the "left" is actually hell-bent in "overthrowing"
America and "aiding" the "terrorists". You will be slaughtered or
rounded up...and then...the sheeple will really cower in fear.

Do as you will, but IMHO you have to think LONG TERM. And be prepared
to fight LONG TERM.
That's what resistance is all about...

[Zhade]

31. Sorry, we have to disagree. Refusing to take to the streets is cowering.

No more will I sit by as this country is destroyed. You want to stay home, fine. I respect that. Your choice.

Will I be killed? Maybe. Better, in my mind, to die fighting for freedom than compromise - yet again - while nothing gets done.

[kalian]

34. Then I'll remember you as a martyr...

[Zhade]

36. Bah. That's melodramatic. Just remember me as a peacemaker.

:P

[kalian]

43. Still call ya a martyr....

and remember, all the countries in Europe occupied by the Nazis
never saw people going out to the streets to fight the Nazis...
Oh no... People were smart. They worked behind the scenes. Attacked
when they could for maximum effect. Disrupt.

You have to STAY ALIVE to continue to EDUCATE fellow Americans. If
you want to throw your life away in a "blaze of glory"...be my
guest. You'll just make their job that much easier.

Have fun... :hi:

[Zhade]

48. Really? I'd make their job easier?

So, a few dead Americans protesting the theft of an election would actually make it EASIER for the fascists?

Considering the degree to which people still (wrongly) believe America to be a truly great and free country, I actually think such an occurrence would help the cause, not hurt it. People would be aghast, and would not sit still for it.

Of course, I want to survive - provided it's worth living after another stolen election.

We just see differently on this issue. I'd rather die with a clear conscience than go along to get along. NOT that you are doing this. I'm just not willing to sit by as another election is stolen. Enough is enough. No more.

[kalian]

56. Again....

I did not say that I would NOT fight. All I am saying is that I
will not be participating in events where I can be "easy pickings"
for these facsists.

You also have to remember that the media is NOT OURS. And whatever
happens will be spun in such a manner that the American people will
never know the truth.

Look what happened during the anti-war protests in Miami... The media
PROTECTED the police actions.

Yes, enough is enough but you have to think long-term. When the next
GE is stolen, it will be my clear sign that its time to "pack up"
and get moving to safer areas. Cities are not where you want to be
when martial law is established.

In my particular case...living in a major repuke hub with
recently returned "patriotic and hero" soldiers... Let's just say that
I'm willing to cede this city to them...I won't have much company
out in the streets.

[Zhade]

65. Wasn't it anti-FTAA, not anti-war?

Or are you talking about another, earlier incident?

You speak of the media like I don't realize these things. I sat at work watching the propaganda about Haiti all day yesterday, and it sickened me. I'm all too aware of the state of the media. I work in the media, so believe me when I say I know more about it than a lot of people might surmise.

And many of us simply cannot afford to move to the wilderness.

[kalian]

66. Then...I'll remember you as a martyr...

[Zhade]

67. Well, it's nice to be remembered!

NT!

[SiobhanClancy]

38. As were Padraig Pearse,James Connolly,Thomas Clarke et al..

leaders of the Easter Rising in Ireland for those who may not know. Their sacrifice lit a powder keg that finally blasted the British out of (most of) Ireland. Is this country not worth as much as Ireland? If they manage to steal another election,then this country as we've known it is no more.

[Padraig18]

42. Patriots ALL!

"'We stand at Rossa's grave not in sadness, but in exultation of spirit... This is a place of peace sacred to the dead, where men should speak with all charity and all restraint; but I hold it a Christian thing... to hate evil, to hate untruth, to hate oppression, and hating them to strive to overthrow them... while Ireland holds these graves, Ireland unfree, shall never be at peace.'"

To the streets!

[Hippo_Tron]

54. Things didn't look all that bad in 2000...

Chimpy was an illegitimate president and we were closer than ever to regaining our congressional majorities in the next election. Given the rule that the opposition party almost always picks up seats the senate was basically ours and there was a good chance that we'd take the house. In addition, chimpy would have a VERY difficult time getting re-elected. 9/11, the Iraq war, and the midterms are when things started lookin grim.

[Padraig18]

15. If we don't fight in '04, it'll be Gitmo for the likes of us.

Mark my words...

[littlejoe]

45. I hate to say this, but for once, I agree with you.

[aquart]

2. We'll have to. We won't have jobs or homes.

[coltman]

3. how about a nationwide work stoppage n/t

[Zhade]

37. That's also a great idea!

NT!

[salin]

4. misread... thought the gop was going to start stealing lightbulbs and

appliances...

[KittyWampus]

6. Yes, I will meet you there Padraig.

we will stand together.

[Padraig18]

10. Bring your gun...

Or whatever weapon you think appropriate! My ancestors learned the hard way--- sometimes you have to SEIZE your freedom!:)

[SiobhanClancy]

17. As did mine...

and I(even at my age)will be ready to take to the streets in that case. My ancestors(especially on the Collins side)would be turning in their graves if I didn't.

[demsrule4life]

18. Padraig there are alot of folks

here who believe we should give up our guns, I don't understand that mindset but it is here.

[Padraig18]

19. I know.

That's what I don't get...

[kalian]

24. I never quite understood it myself...

given that we call ourselves "dems" and liberals...yet we want to
take away our RIGHTS. :shrug:

[RetroLounge]

27. The 2000 election changed my mind on that!

eom

[demsrule4life]

7. Before or after

we voluntarily give up our guns?

[kalian]

9. Given that some in the gun dungeon....

want ALL of us to be disarmed... :eyes:
No further comments are necessary, right?

[demsrule4life]

11. Yep

[Padraig18]

13. I'd like to see the first one try.

Or the 100th, for that manner...

[jonnyblitz]

12. OH YES.

I don't miss a demo anyways (if you know me then you know this)and wouldnt DREAM of missing THAT one...

[Monte Carlo]

16. And do what?

Seriously, because I want to know what to do once I get out there, and it better not be writing a sign or marching in a crowd.

[Padraig18]

20. Bring your gun.

You'll be among like-minded folk...

[Monte Carlo]

68. I think pens might be more effective.

And keyboards. The citizens and most importantly the consumers of this nation are not powerless. I think that Dean's campaign and MoveOn.org has demonstrated to the world that the internet is great tool for mass organization, on a national scale. If there's also a mobilization in the real world to complement it, things could really flourish.

[DU9598]

22. Yes

I will take to the streets immediately. But, then I will probably take to the streets of Canada looking for work up in Montreal for about 4 years.

[Ediacara]

21. I did in 2000

and I will in 2004 if it comes down to it.

[Lexingtonian]

25. Yes and no

Yes, I'd be on the streets. No, not for long.

When there is not even the pretense of representative democracy and no true emergency to justify its absence, we're justified in behaving accordingly to restore it.

[ManneredChild]

26. Not until we renew the assualt weapon ban

We don't want the thieves to be armed with the criminal gun of choice to mow us down. Better to get the guns off the street first.

[demsrule4life]

28. Does that make sense?

If you own them you can keep them. My guess is the right has them but you cant get them. Who loses?

[GreenArrow]

29. won't happen

the powers that be will get their man, who will not be a Republican named Bush this time.

[mitchum]

30. I'll be right there with you

[TheDonkey]

32. HELL YEAH!

We will not be ignored this time around like last time. Bring the thugs on.

[Mick Knox]

33. No ....................... nt

[genius]

35. Me too. But most people won't care till they go to detention

We've got to do something to get Americans to their feet.

[bobbieinok]

39. there should be lots of you in Chicago, NYC , SF, LA, - but in OK??

sort of feel like we have no choice if it's stolen again

but those of us who are over 60, walk with a cane, live in OK. etc

...how do/should we protest?

[Padraig18]

44. We'll lend you some.

Give us a couch or a 'Baptist pallet' on your living room floor, and we'll come.:)

[kalian]

46. And what about me...? I live in Colorado Springs for crying out loud!

MAJOR repuke city... I'll be alone...and my death will not be
televised...
Screw that. I'll quietly pack up my gear and head on up to the
mountains. Got plenty of like minded...long-term thinking people
up there with which to plan with.

Sorry folks...I'd like to LIVE to see my country free again. No
sense in giving them an easy target.

Enjoy...

[Padraig18]

47. we'll send a carrier pigeon...

... once Bush has been arrested and sent to The Hague for trial.

[WarNoMore]

40. I told my children, after the mess of 2000,

that we should be out on the streets, like Now!

[Mr. McD]

41. Another 4 of bush

I will probably be living in the streets.

[WarNoMore]

49. on edit

I wasn't there, and it kills me to this day, and I *hate* using my health as an excuse; It might be a valid excuse for me, but it's not going to stop me anymore. Just as good standing up and being knocked down than to not stand at all. (this from the person, who, when taking an online political compass, ended up almost in the lap of Ghandi--it was a chart) double edit --this probably does'nt make sense. Bad day!

[Padraig18]

50. It makes perfect sense.

:hug::hi:

[WarNoMore]

69. Thamk you, P18.

[mike1963]

51. Damn right. As a very well-armed liberal, I'm ready to defend my country.

If American kids can die in Iraq for fascism, I'm sure as well ready to do the same in defense of freedom.

[MuseRider]

52. I don't own a "real" gun

but I will meet you on the street. I will NOT go down without taking a few of them with me. Bet on it.

[Padraig18]

53. We can loan you one.

Rifle, shotgun or pistol? :evilgrin:

[MuseRider]

60. Does not matter, honey.

I am one damn good shot. I do not miss often. I suppose I would prefer a rifle, I am better with them. As someone who thinks of herself as a pacifist I will get riled up enough to give that up under those circumstances. ( never shot at anyone, don't think I really could)

[Mick Knox]

64. Um arent we getting a little carried away?

Climbing into towers and such... taking some of "them" with you? Who's them? Some cop doing his job? Whats this talk?

[Emillereid]

55. Let us remember the fine stock from which we sprang:

The Unanimous Declaration of the Thirteen United States of America

When in the Course of human events ..... it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the Powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
..., That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government ... But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.........

[Padraig18]

57. "The tree of liberty is watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots:"

"it is its natural fertilizer."

--Thos. Jefferson

[kalian]

62. Very nicely put....but....

this is 2004. The majority of the American sheeple are/have been made
docile.
They will believe what the pundits on the TV tell them.

During the 60s and 70s we had massive demonstrations but we all know
what happened...the government fought back, in some cases killing
people. Did this REALLY change American...? :shrug:

Folks...they have the dice in their hands and they're loaded. We take
to the streets (as expected) and they will have a field day. Lest
we forget that another staged "terror event" might occur during
the "elections" or maybe even after the elections in order to stir
up panic, etc.

You will be slaughtered...needlessly. The American sheeple will just
cower in fear as they're being told LIES about you and your fellow
brothers and sisters.
There are other venues... Again...think LONG-TERM. I'm not saying to
"roll over" and continue what you're doing now. That's not the
ticket. We need to regroup and replan. We need to know who our
enemies are.

If you fight the cop on the street or, eventually, the soldier on
the street....you will be fighting your brother or sister. They will
be following orders. Why not lure them into our fold? Why not
recruit them..turn them against their masters?

Also remember that the definition of "terrorism" and "terrorist" will
lie with the TV pundits and mediawhores. They will never call you
a "patriot".

[bitchkitty]

58. Yes. n/t

[Piperay]

59. NO...

been there, done that and it didn't work. :-(

[Padraig18]

61. If my ancestors felt that way...

The british would still rule Ireland. You may lose a battle, but the war goes on.

[Mairead]

63. "Everyone will now be mobilized

and all boys old enough to carry a spear will be sent to Addis Ababa. ... The blind and those who cannot carry a spear are exempted. Anyone found after receipt of this order will be hanged."

If they steal it, then we should substitute 'DC' for 'Addis Ababa'. Everyone pack a sleeping bag, a change of clothes, safety gear, and recording equipment--plus torches and pitchforks if desired, pile as many into the car as possible, and head for DC.