Hillary live: Notes we need to build a new electrical grid! first candidate to address that...

[Didereaux]

this is the absolute necessity in order to distribute the alternate energy production systems that of necessity will be spread across a huge part of rural America. This project alone would be the equivalent of the Interstate system that Eisenhower brought us. You want jobs? You are talking huge numbers. But the project must be built or we will never get to that 205 ALTERNATE energy by 2020 that Hillary and others are calling for.

Another example the woman has an impressive grasp of the issues and inderstands them in depth. Neither Mccain nor Obama has shown any such depth of understanding.

[Fredda Weinberg]

1. She's the Energizer bunny of the party n/t

[xmas74]

2. Exactly.

I was very impressed with that and made a few phone calls after hearing her say it. It might change a few minds of those who are on the fence.

[Didereaux]

4. I agree wholeheartedly!

[thevoiceofreason]

3. WRONG!!!

That has been a key part of Barack's energy plan for a long time. Have you ever even been to his web site? HRC wouldn't know a digitized, computerized , modern grid if it bit her on the whatever.

She plagerized this point!!!!

[Didereaux]

5. NOT computer grid you nerd! WIRES, TOWERS a power DISTRIBUTION grid!

[thevoiceofreason]

6. Who builds that, you maroon?

The government? Yeah right! Where you gonna find that $2 trillion.

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[thevoiceofreason]

12. Great comeback

Let's focus the money where it needs to go -- healthcare, vet benefits, alternative fuels and energy, New Orleans.

If you truly computerize and cetralize what we have, we can do it that way. Get a grip.

I stick to my guns -- she stole the point, and rather clumsily at that.

[IDemo]

17. A computer-controlled electrical grid

Digital control of the electrical grid is not a separate issue from high voltage lines and transformers. Any grid rebuild efforts from here on will include both physical plant (copper, etc.) and the computerized means to monitor and control power quality and delivery.

[RaleighNCDUer]

21. Not computer grid - computerized grid.

If you don't know the difference, then you obviously don't know what you are talking about.

[robbedvoter]

7. After the NE blackoiut we had due to W's cronies - happy to hear about this

[thevoiceofreason]

9. Establish control over aspects of the grid

But not buils a new one. So many lawsuits the lawyers will be fat and happy.

Nice plan.

[UALRBSofL]

11. That's a great idea and thousands of jobs

I never heard another candidate speak about that

[thevoiceofreason]

13. No, no, no

We have plenty of infrastructure, currently a legitimate part of government responsibility, that needs fixing and repair. Plenty enough to employ a whole bunch of folks for many years to come (like all the folks who will come home from Iraq!). Be smart when you spend money. Damn, haven't we learned anything?

[eridani]

10. So how can we afford to do that while imposing our military boot on the rest of the world?

We can't afford imperialism anymore, and neither Clinton nor Obama get it.

[Didereaux]

14. I think both of them realize it, but it is politically inopportune to say so at this time because

the other would use it against them. Once their is one and its head to head with the Repub then the extraordinary wastage of wars can be addressed a little fuller. I suspect that when Clinton spoke about cutting those contractors off at the knees and ending all no bid contracts was a hint that she would then be able to argue that with the savings from just the wastage she could once again put the military back together again and still have funds left over. You must remember that in order to win in November the candidate MUST be slightly hawkish. Otherwise the repubs are back in the saddle.

But listening to Clinton tonight address issues in depth, I am convinced that she will pull this off. remember also that you must NOT mention raising taxes during a campaign, yet it is obvious that the top enders are going to get nailed and will be lucky if they wind up at their cushy levels of 2000. Lots of things are under the radar and must be kept there, you really have to watch and listen very closely to any candidate in order to get the slightest hint...but they are there.

[eridani]

16. I hope you are right, but then I look at who is funding both Clinton and Obama

Defense contractors and the big money people, that's who.

[IDemo]

15. Barack Obama on energy policy (from Physics Today)

Invest in a Digital Smart Grid: Like other pieces of infrastructure, such as roads and bridges our energy grid is outdated and inefficient, resulting in $50-100 billion dollar losses to the U.S. economy each year. The 2003 East Coast blackout alone resulted in a $10 billion economic loss. Like President Eisenhower did with the interstate highway system, Barack Obama will pursue a major investment in our national utility grid to enable a tremendous increase in renewable generation and accommodate 21st century energy requirements, such as reliability, smart metering, and distributed storage. Obama will invest federal money to leverage additional state and private sector funds to help create a digitally connected power grid. Creating a smart grid will also help insulate against terrorism concerns because our grid today is virtually unprotected from terrorists. Installing a smart grid will help consumers produce electricity at home through solar panels or wind turbines, and be able to sell electricity back through the grid for other consumers, and help consumers reduce their energy use during peak hours when electricity is more expensive. Obama will direct federal resources to the most vulnerable and congested areas and rural areas where significant renewable energy sources are located, as well as work toward national transformation of our energy grid in partnership with states and utilities.

http://blogs.physicstoday.org/politics08/2008/01/where_do_you_stand_on_energy_p_4.html

[Didereaux]

18. very good! Bit why has he never mentioned that in the debates when asked energy related questions?

My guess is that he had somebody write up an energy proposal. I am not being snide here, but Obama has shown no great interest in nor knowledge of technical or scientific matters. I have heard him speak of the need fro more science and such and agree with him, but have never heard anything from him other than overall sweeping generalities. That is consistent with his own statements that he would find the smartest and delegate those things to them. That is worriesome to me, for it is what Bush said in 2000. I really think we need someone with the patience to get a deeper understanding of issues so that when a decision must be made it can be an informed one, and not a recommended one.

[IDemo]

20. I don't know that bringing up technical specifics at the debates is needed

They are lucky half the time in even getting out the general policy points before being interrupted. But I don't think we necessarily need a "double-E" (Electrical Engineer) to understand the need for an upgraded system that includes more than just additional high-tension lines and substations. The specifics of energy administration can get quite involved, as can the specifics of economic or military administration, for example. The president is going to create policy targeted towards goals such as additional biofuels or money for conservation efforts, and let the technical details be worked out by those with the best (hopefully) qualifications.

[Tom Rinaldo]

19. I liked her pledge to meet with the leaders of China and India,

the fast emerging energy consuming nations, every 3 months to work on agreements and common solutions to curb global warming.

[Didereaux]

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