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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 01:44 AM
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Double Bubble Trouble: Courage Campaign gets involved in Los Angeles ballot issue.
Los Angeles ballot issue turns into a full debacle

Well everything that Courage Campaign was worried about seems to be happening as the Los Angeles ballot issue turns into a full debacle. The San Francisco Chronicle is running with the story and raising the question of how long this ballot has been in use.

Given the convoluted delegate system in California, a lot of delegates on the Democratic side could potentially be impacted by voting irregularities in Los Angeles county. And since the Democratic race appears to be destined to remain deadlocked for quite some time, this mess may stretch on for quite a while as delegate counts are fought over by interests that stretch way beyond Los Angeles County. That's the pragmatism. The principle is that the law should be followed and people should be allowed to vote.

..."The Obama campaign has been all over this. They had a conference call earlier today, sent at least one email out to the mailing list, and issued special instructions to precinct captains throughout Los Angeles. Dave Dayen, who was on the conference call, reports that, according to the campaign, DTS voters have been denied ballots in select counties throughout the state.


Los Angeles City Attorney Rocky Delgadillo issued a statement:

"In light of these reports, I am calling upon Secretary of State Debra Bowen and L.A. County Registrar Dean Logan to review the county's unique and potentially confusing ballot design.

"It would be unfortunate if non-partisan voters, confused by the county's unique "double bubble" ballot design, did not have their vote counted.

"I urge the Secretary of State and County Registrar to do everything within their power to ensure that every vote is counted, and to carefully weigh voter intent against this confusing Los Angeles County ballot design.


Confusing ballot design. Where have I heard of that before? Hmmmm mmmm





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ursi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 01:46 AM
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1. who designed the ballots and produced them? Sequoia? Florida ...2000
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 01:52 AM
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3. Do you know if they did the Los Angeles ballots as well?
Interesting. Did you see the special Dan Rather did on HDNET? It was about Sequoia and had a bunch of the employees talking.

Should be at this link.

http://www.hd.net/danrather.html
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ursi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:00 AM
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7. that's what I am wondering about ...if it was the same setup?
wouldn't it just figure that the ballot makers who helped kill off Gore's run in Florida would be involved in doing the same to Obama in California?
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 01:51 AM
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2.  heard that song before .... Butterfly Ballots ... 2000 Florida
"It would be unfortunate if non-partisan voters, confused by the county's unique
"double bubble" ballot design, did not have their vote counted.

Sounds to me as if the ballots were made to control the vote.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 02:28 AM
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4. Remember how everyone made fun of people who were confused..
by the butterfly ballots? That was a dark time in our country. The ridicule.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 02:31 AM
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6. Volusia County & Theresa LaPore (the plant who was a "democrat")
I will never forget
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 12:05 AM
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8. Remember that taunt and bumpersticker....Jews for Buchanan
Everyone knew that community would not vote for Pat Buchanan. But the right wing started making fun of them, and our own party did not stand up for those people.

It was so sad.
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Nailzberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 02:31 AM
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5. At my precinct, the whole double bubble was explained by the judges.
What did bother me, is that Obama was halfway down the page. This caused my inker to blot outside the bubble because of a bend in the spine of the ballot. I pulled it out and blotted it correctly, but I wonder if not inking inside the circle effected other ballots.
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