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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 09:54 AM
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Of speaking in tongues, snake handlers, and big tents: or, of mocking memes
Edited on Wed Feb-06-08 10:22 AM by CorpGovActivist
O8) :bounce: :evilgrin:

That's me and my posse, and that's how we usually roll, bounce, roll. The fallen angel on the sinister shoulder. The nag on my right. My Be-yelzebuddy is in tight with the Main Man. The Nag definitely pissed off his Harpivisor, but doesn't like to talk about the circumstances.

And here we go, charging right in where (most) angels fear to tread. But before we do, just this one thing:

On this one thing, we three agree. The day starts with a song. Today's is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNHkOryXosI">Sympathy for the Devil.

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You see, the way I see it, the only way we take the White House away from the Republicans, come November, is to carry some areas that aren't blue, but rather a bluish shade of purple.

Areas where Holy Rollers dwell.

Evangelicals.

Pentecostals.

Southern Baptists.

You know.

The Devil.

At least, the way they're routinely demonized in some parts, you'd think they were.

So, I'm here to plead the case for a little sympathy. Maybe, even a tinge of empathy.

You might say that I'm an unlikely advocate.

You've got me dead to rights there, and you've got no end of irony with which to plead your counterclaim.

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Best Boy Personality, 1981 and 1983. Church camp. That was before I knew about stuffing ballot boxes, or 1982 would be sitting on the shelf, too. Be-yelzebuddy didn't get this gig until 1984. At church camp. When I was 12. Apparently, that was the year I caught the attention of the Main Man, and he sent Be-yelzebuddy on a special project. Be-yelzebuddy's been with me ever since.

But that first, dicey meeting? Let's just say I allowed him to introduce himself in a rather disqualifying manner. That is to say, certain activities at church camp aren't considered conducive to Best Boy Personality, and Be-yelzebuddy neglected to tell me that part. Like most beauty pageants, there are rules. They waved the rule book at me a lot that week to explain why I was disqualified.



For my part, I hold no grudges. Against Be-yelzebuddy, that is. He was just trying to make a good first impression on his first day. Rookie mistake. Have a little sympathy. If we've hugged it out, you can let it go, too.

The funny part was, the hometown pastor who raved and crowed bragging rights to his fellows when I would bring home these trinkets from the state church camp (and there were many others, for drama, for performing arts, and so on) was the same Sonofa who gave encouraging pep talks on Sunday mornings about HOMO-SEX-SHUALS.

Maybe it was just my imagination, but he always seemed to manage to catch my eye right when he got to that word, like he was looking down at me from the pulpit, staring thru the eyes of one of those Jesus multi-angle paintings. Those things still creep me out.

Church, as a Pentecostal in Appalachia, means 3 times a week: twice on Sundays, and then again on Wednesdays. To keep from backslidin'. That's a glossary term. There will be a test.

Right about now, you're probably looking at your watch, wondering if I'm ever gonna shut the hell up. Yup. Now you know what church, three times a week, for 16 years feels like.

Add to that the fact that there was no TiVo back then. And this, my friends, is important to the story.

On Sunday nights, one of two things happened: either the Sonofa finished at 7:55 like the deacons' (all men) unwritten rule said he was supposed to - meaning, that I could hightail it home on foot, leaving the rest of the family to meander to the car for the short drive home, and I could rush in breathlessly to catch the opening fanfare of the Battlestar Galactica theme; or, the Sonofa ran long, and I missed part of that week's plot.

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Ladies and Gentlemen of the DUry, that was the opening argument. Here's the case:

1. Speaking in Tongues

I've seen it, up close and personal, complete with the pregnant pause until somebody else translates what - to any unprogrammed youngster's ear - sounds like gibberish. Now, I've had Spanish, Latin, German, and Russian, and never once did I catch even one word of those tongues. Somebody upstairs wasn't tapping talent.

But the Nag is on some sort of probation, so maybe I'm guilty by association in that respect. Either way, he's not talking.

The language "you" use to describe a thing says as much about "you" as it does about the object of your derision. It also gets noticed by those being derided, as evidenced by bumper stickers "you" might see if "you" weren't too scared - pretending that "you" are too sophisticated to be bothered - to roll through some of these areas.



Trust me. Your mouth ain't that purty.

Mountain manners have been grossly maligned in that regard. But that's another trial, one courtroom down.

These bumper stickers "you" may not have seen show a certain sophisticated form of defiance. Bumper stickers like:

I SHALL not be moved.

Did you just stifle a snicker? So do "they" when "they" see ones like these:



Which brings us to pronouns. Them, they, us, we. Exclusionary and inclusive.

The first step to engaging, successfully, in groupthink is to draw the circle of language.

Don't include "them" in your circle?

Well, then, why should "they" vote like "we" tell "them" to?

Speaking in tongues: not just for ...

2. Snake Handlers

Be-yelzebuddy just laughed. That's because I'm not exactly fond of snakes. It was one of the things that the other little boys picked up on, if ya know what I mean. I don't care if it's "just a little baby garter snake," get that thing the hell away from me. Or me away from it.

Luckily, my family's church was about exactly one half-step up in the pecking order from the Snake Handlers. Oh, yeah, there's a pecking order, all right, all the way up to "those" idolatrous branches of Christianity that "they" practice. Yeah, language cuts both ways.

The whole point of Snake Handling is to prove faith in a literal interpretation of an Old Testament story and New Testament affirmation of that story, which says, basically, that true believers can take up these things best left under rocks - where they damn well belong, as far as I'm concerned - and the true believers will go unharmed.

This is known as strict constructionism, and leaves no room for scientific discoveries about biology or any other related field. Scalia and the Boys on the Bench - big fans. You can see them in the front pew most any time, givin' their rubber stamp Amens!

The moment of epiphany, when you become a heretic in a Snake Handler Church, is unfortunately short-lived, seeing as how you're probably in need of the antidote, stat.



My feet come up off the ground, and I take a deep, sharp, startled gasp if a snake comes on the TV. Be-yelzebuddy and my partner laugh and laugh. Even the Nag stifles a titter.

So, yeah, I know. Trust me. I know. Looking for votes among serpents (best left under the rocks they should never slither out from) is a tough fear to face. I get it. But sometimes, you have to put on your big person pants and your snake waders.

For the safety and well-being of my family, I would face a snake.



The well-being of our American Family requires us to be Riki-Tiki-Tavis to their Republican Ringsnakes and Conservative Cobras.



And if you know about Riki-Tiki-Tavi, that moxified mongoose carried off the unhatched brood, too, solving present and future problems at once.

We need to engage in those communities and save this generation from their http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_EKHK1C2IE">Own Private Jesus Camp. Been there. Done that. Gave the. Nevermind.

You *are* serious about *your* progressive faith, right? Gotta knock on some doors, then. "They" do.



Be-yelzebuddy always puts me up to yelling out to my partner: "Did you order out?"

Which brings me to...

3. Pitching a Big Tent

If you've never been to a real, live, under-the-big-top, paper-hand-fan waving, Glory Hallelujah-ing tent revival ...



... then you, my FREY-YEND



... are missing pretty much all of the encrypted code that Mike Huckabee is passing, right under your very nose, to his listeners.



Think that Big Tent of theirs has come crashing down under Bush? Think the damage is irreparable?

"They" don't. Business is booming, and they've got big-top tent repair and set-up down pat.



"They" will have a Kumbaya Jam Session the likes of which "you" might only begin to imagine.



Or had you forgotten about Lee Atwater and his walk-on duo already?



See? Knowing the Old Testament helps. In both religion and politics.

And "they" ain't servin' up fair trade tofu after the Kumbaya drum circle, either. Go into any http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Hot_&_Blue_(restaurant)">Red, Hot & Blue restaurant. You can find at least one photo of its late founder, Lee Atwater, within 20 seconds of walking thru the front door, I guarantee it. Or your next meal is on me.





The FAT Sonofa usually ended his sermons whenever his belly started growling. Ya'll run on home now. All that talk about BBQ has me craving a little take-out.

Ya'll hightail it on home now. Go on. Git.

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Amen.
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zonkers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 09:59 AM
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1. This isn't a post. It's a blog. Looks like a must read for me. But not slurping
a coffee on the way out the door. I will bookmark for later.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 10:10 AM
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2. Just remember to roll, bounce, roll. n/t
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bigbrother05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 10:44 AM
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3. I always believed in separation of Church and State
until i got involved in politics, and saw first hand the influence the Holy roller has on the community.
Huckleberry beating Mitt is funny in itself, but scary that he is taking the south, where religion is a lifestyle.
I haven't followed Huck that close, but his speaking in tongues, and McCain's war stance would be a perfect recipe for the crowds under the big tent.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 10:49 AM
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5. I believe in the Separation of Church and State...
... but we need to find ways every bit as creative to engage on their home turf and in their communities, to counteract the largely-unchallenged influence.

Around any election, the Sonofa would dust off a few of his "coded sermons" to remind the congregation of how they should vote.

As for Huckabee, http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4413494&mesg_id=4413494">he's been the Dangerous Dark Horse I've been binoc-ing from the stands at the race track all along.

Deep oppo research file. Deep, deep, deep, deep.

- Dave
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conscious evolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 10:48 AM
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4. Some folks are reaching out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSs3RG-p8O8&feature=PlayList&p=4208371D23918ED5&index=3

Bluegrass is not your granpas music anymore.The hippy NewGrass folks are changing attitudes slowly but surely.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 10:54 AM
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6. Moxified mandolin!
Oh, yeah. I am a fan, and XM Channel 14 is a favorite. Good "figtin' 'n feudin' music," ya know?



Great link! Thanks! Relationship to them?

- Dave
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conscious evolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 11:16 AM
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7. No relation
Just a long time hippy who got into newgrass after Jerry died.
I have to say that some of the interactions between the old school bluegrassers and the newgrassers have been pretty interesting.Lots of attitudes changing on both sides though.All in all,in a good way.For both tribes.
Another great example of the hippy tribes and rightwingers coming together happened in Waveland after Katrina.
http://www.google.com/search?q=waveland+rainbow+kitchen&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-US&ie=utf8&oe=utf8
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 11:26 AM
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8. Good music, good food, good brew...
... time-tested remedy for rifts.

:toast:

You break bread with my family and me? That means something.

- Dave
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conscious evolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 11:34 AM
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9. Breaking bread together
prevents breaking each others heads.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 11:46 AM
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10. Protective headgear still not a bad idea, though.
Just in case.

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conscious evolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 11:51 AM
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11. Wow
Who are those guys?
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 01:56 PM
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15. Some British anachronism group. Hardcore, huh?
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 12:10 PM
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12. You just HAD to include that water-headed kid from Delivernace, didn't you!
An insult to banjo players everywhere!

:hi:

Bake
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 01:30 PM
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14. I finally had to decide to own that kid, and force certain college buddies...
... to actually watch the damn movie, to prove that it was NOT set in West Virginia.

:grr:

:rofl:

Kinda have a soft spot in my heart for the soft spot on his head now.

- Dave
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Sam Ervin jret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 01:21 PM
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13. Your point is well taken, and having a"true believer" in the family I can only say
He scares the me like the crazy that he is.

As a person who loves to read ancient scripture & has a never seen "the rapture" in anything I would consider even truly antique, let alone ancient I have to ask where the heck did they, the strict readers "not interpreters" of the Bible, get that one.

wasn't Lee supposed to be here for the rapture? or is he some kind of second messiah to these people? I am still learning? and I ask in no jest.

what would have happened to you if you were caught watching sci fi? my extended family members who are into this "message" watch NOTHING but old westerns on TV. even Disney cartoons are off limits, and I'm not kidding. Zoophilia, can you believe that? Because of Beauty and the Beast, The little Mermaid, and like minded movies. I'm not making this up.

What kind of mind goes there when they see these movies? no wonder they think they need to go to church so often. No wonder that the people who so often are in the "family values" and "religious" right feel they need such a strong paternal and formulaic social structure.

What kind of fear of your own sexuality drives you to this? I ask? It seems more than incidental that sexual scandal, at least as of late, has come from the ranks of the far right?

Are they so desperate for relief now that only the end of the world and the promised "rapture" will do?

I ask you because you seem to have a grasp, however unwanted, of their group think. And I do agree it is that.

i struggle to understand this group more because i feel, somewhat like yourself, that these people are a major part of the Rep. party and are definitely positioning themselves to be heard. I feel they have gotten less from Bush than promised, although the judges and the rush to WWIII is good, and they want more, more, more. If I misunderstand your position please let me know how?

To me, my particular family member always hit me as hypocritical in his stance. Pro life yet pro death penalty. Christian yet they seem to read more of the old testament than the NEW. Strict "every word means what it does" yet where the heck does Jesus say anything about this WWIII and rapture? And I could go on and on.......

At the risk of not being hypocritical, but opportunistic I ask you to check out Hypocrisy.com. Your well thought out, if challenging for the ADHD among us, writing would be a welcome sight on the site. I would enjoy reading and writing to you there.

I should warn you it is NOT my site, it seems new, but that can be a great thing. Maybe less readers to begin with but the ones who do click on to read may just have the attention capacity to stay.

No promises. Just a thought, or should I say in the language of the day, A hope.


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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 03:53 PM
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16. Sounds like you've had a firsthand bite at this petting zoo.
"He scares the me like the crazy that he is."

Sometimes, the hardest part of engaging with a person in that mindset is NOT showing the fear, or reacting at a gut level. The Heisenberg Principle applies here. Observing the thing changes the thing. If you can't get an accurate take on the person's beliefs, then it's hard to know where to begin to try to gain a foothold. If a person reads revulsion or fear on your face, many (if not most) are apt to change course, and you may miss what would've been said in the first place (which may have been the vital handhold).

"As a person who loves to read ancient scripture & has a never seen 'the rapture' in anything I would consider even truly antique, let alone ancient I have to ask where the heck did they, the strict readers 'not interpreters' of the Bible, get that one."

The "something lost in the translation" argument is often met with: all the translators were Divinely Inspired, too. That's a bit like saying that God has an endless edit window in DU.

"wasn't Lee supposed to be here for the rapture? or is he some kind of second messiah to these people? I am still learning? and I ask in no jest."

You lost me there. Lee, who?

I will say that as a kid, I thought (and still do, if I think about it), that it'd be a bum deal to be the Anti-Christ in this whole mess. I mean, everybody else gets free will, except you?

:eyes: <---------- my adult reaction

:scared: <---------- my reaction as a kid ("Dear Lord, please don't let me by the Anti-Christ.")

"what would have happened to you if you were caught watching sci fi?"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4383144&mesg_id=4395183">My parents were subject to persuasion on the issue, and Star Wars was the first "yes" obtained. The church lost me right there, in the little rural theater, at age 5. Not immediately. But it was a losing battle from that moment.

"my extended family members who are into this 'message' watch NOTHING but old westerns on TV. even Disney cartoons are off limits, and I'm not kidding. Zoophilia, can you believe that? Because of Beauty and the Beast, The little Mermaid, and like minded movies. I'm not making this up."

No, no. I know. This is rarer and rarer to find nowadays, I think, but it's still out there.

"What kind of mind goes there when they see these movies? no wonder they think they need to go to church so often. No wonder that the people who so often are in the 'family values' and 'religious' right feel they need such a strong paternal and formulaic social structure."

Jesse Ventura got torn a new one for paraphrasing that notion.

"What kind of fear of your own sexuality drives (them) to this? I ask? It seems more than incidental that sexual scandal, at least as of late, has come from the ranks of the far right?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLrTPrp-fW8">Margarine. Margarine is my final answer, Alex.

"Are they so desperate for relief now that only the end of the world and the promised 'rapture' will do?"

Here's one for you to ponder. I don't know if you're a Family Guy fan or not, but they sparked a lot of controversy with their spoof of the "http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%2272+virgins%22+%22family+guy%22+gathering">72 virgins" waiting for an unwitting terrorist in the afterlife. Instead of the buxom beauties and coy coquettes one might expect, there were 72 pimply-faced teenage boys, attired in costumes ranging from Star Trek to Star Wars to ... well, you get the idea.

That scene from that episode went viral in no time flat. Ah. But how many of those FOX viewers laughing the hardest got the deeper meaning? What part of their own religion might have been grossly misinterpreted? As applied to "them," (meaning, practitioners of the strange religion prevalent in the Middle East) it was funny. But, lacking self-awareness of even the most basic kind, it never dawned on these viewers to turn that prism around.

Which, depending upon your propensity for enjoying irony, makes it more or less tragic and comedic, by turns.

"I ask you because you seem to have a grasp, however unwanted, of their group think."

I'm delighted to have entree into that mindset. Sun Tsu was spot-on-the-money, arrow-point-up-the-shaft-of-the-first-arrow-into-the-bullseye right when he said: "Know thy adversary."

A lot more of what he has to say is applicable, including all the stuff about finding out what all the fighting is *really* about, and getting to root causes, with a heavy focus on removing those irritants.

"And I do agree it is that."

I have opportunity to get back for social events from time to time, such as for a wedding. The food? Un-friggin-believable. I just make sure anything I'm drinking comes straight out of a bottle I opened myself.

"i struggle to understand this group more because i feel, somewhat like yourself, that these people are a major part of the Rep. party and are definitely positioning themselves to be heard."

Yeah, ignoring "them" is not an option. Especially this cycle.

"I feel they have gotten less from Bush than promised, although the judges and the rush to WWIII is good, and they want more, more, more."

Interestingly, a school of thought has emerged (which waxes and wanes in influence, depening on such things as the Mark Foley Scandal) that suggests that - rather than seeking political influence, true believers ought to avoid the process altogether, as it is the Carnival of the Main Man Himself (that is to say, the Devil's Own Workshop). But for those who grasp for those levers of political influence (and they're there, all right), there is this frighteningly simplistic belief that their actions (no matter how destructive to humankind) are "part of a larger Plan," and accordingly, A-OK. It's all intended and pre-ordained anyway.

Yikes.

"If I misunderstand your position please let me know how?"

No, you've got a pretty good bead on it, with some fine tuning maybe needed.

I will never forget the Sonofa's Sermon "explaining" all the symbols in Revelation, and mapping each symbol to a country (e.g., the "bear" = Soviet Union). Reagan had his own personal place in this whole madcap menagerie, and we'd all better BE PREPARED.

But still. A Sonofa's gotta have wheels, gas, and beer and flip flop money in the meanwhile, while we all wait for the Hereafter. Pass the plate, and it's OK if you need to make change. We're only a half-step above Snake Handlers, after all. Count it twice to make sure you didn't shortchange God or yourself. It's all good.

"To me, my particular family member always hit me as hypocritical in his stance. Pro life yet pro death penalty."

It makes an odd kind of sense. Eye for an eye can be applied to a person who has acted after the age of accountability, in this worldview. So, a life that has not passed that magic birthday is out of bounds.

"Christian yet they seem to read more of the old testament than the NEW."

Yet, again, with an odd kind of sense to it. Pentecostal pastors are parlour philosophers, in many cases. The logical fallacy is their stock in trade. Q.E.D. in two steps (sometimes fewer).

1. Christ said (and I'm paraphrasing): "I didn't come to destroy the law (i.e., what we call the OLD Testament), but rather, to fulfill it."

2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q.E.D.">Q.E.D.

For some real head-popping, thought-provoking discussions, try getting someone in that mindset to walk you through that very two-step "Jesus as authority for still sticking (selectively) with the Old Testament memes."

Then, ask them what they think about the Epistles written by Paul.

Then, ask them what they think about the Epistles written by Peter, who (be sure to remind them) was the Disciple that "Jesus Himself" said would be "the rock upon which" the Church would be founded.

At this point, you'll probably detect a little apprehension in their expression. They might sense something's awry. The Letters of Paul get ***considerably*** more airtime in these pulpits, with any mention of Peter after Acts pretty much ignored, and his letters all but forgotten.

And yet: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=2529514&mesg_id=2529514">Peter wrote a bit of a warning about Paul's Letters, urging his readers to take Paul's writings with a great ol' big grain of salt, since Paul was not part of Jesus' Ministry. In that thread, be sure to see #9, which provides the exact words of Peter on Paul. Nevermind Mary. Or any of the other alternative gospels that may have been written from a woman's firsthand point of view. Or any discussion of how the Early Church leaders acted overtime to squelch leadership roles for women.

"Strict 'every word means what it does yet where the heck does Jesus say anything about this WWIII and rapture? And I could go on and on......."

Not to mention how many commit an "abomination" when they get unlimited shrimp at The Red Lobster each Sunday after church. The Deuteronomy Diet ain't for the faint of willpower.

"At the risk of not being hypocritical, but opportunistic I ask you to check out Hypocrisy.com."

The URL alone has me laughing, and kicking myself, simultaneously. A tater is as good as a tot, and roundabouts are difficult to drive, but anyway: Despair.com. You'll laugh, guaranteed.

"Your well thought out, if challenging for the ADHD among us, writing would be a welcome sight on the site. I would enjoy reading and writing to you there."

That is very, very kind of you. The only reason it's taken me so long to respond is that you laid out so much, and I didn't want to give it short shrift. Without prying, and please PM if you prefer, but were you formally diagnosed, and if so, how have you found attitudes? I'm agnostic but open-minded to the schools of thought on this. I cannot imagine the frustration those symptoms must entail at times.

"I should warn you it is NOT my site, it seems new, but that can be a great thing."

I'll give it a look.

"Maybe less readers to begin with but the ones who do click on to read may just have the attention capacity to stay."

For the record, I think this is a fine community here. I am by turns sympathetic, empathetic, downright amused, and awestruck by what Skinner and the other Founders created. More than once, http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=105&topic_id=7418935&mesg_id=7418935">I've wondered (with tongue firmly in cheek) whether Skinner might just be God. Or at least http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Long_Dark_Tea-Time_of_the_Soul">Odin, if you go in for Douglas Adams' stuff. Which I do. And will again. Soon. Got the itch.

"No promises. Just a thought, or should I say in the language of the day, A hope."

Yes. I. Might.

:toast:

- Dave
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 02:09 AM
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17. Very good work.
You have far too much time on your hands my friend. A big K&R!
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 09:30 AM
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18. Yeah, you come to me with unclean hands there, yourself.
Edited on Thu Feb-07-08 09:32 AM by CorpGovActivist
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