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Rex_Goodheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 03:58 PM Original message |
So, Florida and Michigan get no delegates? |
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newmajority (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 03:59 PM Response to Original message |
1. The state parties (DLC) broke the rules |
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Birthmark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:01 PM Response to Original message |
2. The DNC decided... |
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Elspeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:12 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. It should be unconstitutional |
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Birthmark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:14 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Apparently not. |
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kdmorris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:20 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. Um, it's not in the constitution that states allow people |
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Birthmark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:22 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. And it's not in the Constitution... |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:22 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. If you don't like it, run for a party leadership position. nt |
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Birthmark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:24 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. OTOH, I can simply not vote this time around. |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:28 PM Response to Reply #17 |
26. are you from Florida or Michigan? |
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Birthmark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:39 PM Response to Reply #26 |
48. I'm in FL. |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:45 PM Response to Reply #48 |
55. no - go vote. And write-in Edwards. |
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Birthmark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:46 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. I'll give that some consideration. nt |
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kdmorris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 06:35 PM Response to Reply #55 |
93. John Edwards himself would not want you to do that |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 07:43 PM Response to Reply #93 |
94. bs . . . I will not vote R |
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kdmorris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 07:55 PM Response to Reply #94 |
96. Anyone who actually supported and worked on John Edwards' campaign |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 08:02 PM Response to Reply #96 |
98. no did not . . . |
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kdmorris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 09:04 PM Response to Reply #98 |
103. That makes NO sense |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 12:16 AM Response to Reply #103 |
105. sorry it does not make sense to you - it does to me |
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kdmorris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:31 PM Response to Reply #17 |
31. It is certainly your perogative |
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Birthmark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:45 PM Response to Reply #31 |
56. I want the DNC to know why... |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:26 PM Response to Reply #14 |
21. are you suggesting you support the disenfranchisement of Democratic voters? |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:27 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. I respect the decisions made by elected party officials. |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:31 PM Response to Reply #24 |
30. hmmmmm - my vote, as a Democratic resident of Florida does not count |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:33 PM Response to Reply #30 |
35. What did you do to prevent it? nt |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:35 PM Response to Reply #35 |
40. yes - you are so myopically correct |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:36 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. There's more to being a Democrat than showing up for primaries |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:39 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. now wait just a damned minute |
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Birthmark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:49 PM Response to Reply #46 |
59. Yeah, the amount of smug assumptions... |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:54 PM Response to Reply #59 |
63. nothing to see here . . . just keep moving please . . . |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:56 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. The party faifthful elected the party leadership who caused this. |
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Birthmark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:57 PM Response to Reply #63 |
67. Did you see the other answer I got. |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 05:00 PM Response to Reply #67 |
71. exactly - and who can blame the voters |
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Birthmark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 05:02 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. Contempt is precisely the word |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 05:04 PM Response to Reply #67 |
73. and it is the same contempt shown by many posters here at DU |
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Birthmark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 05:10 PM Response to Reply #73 |
78. Yup. Evidently, they don't know how people work. nt |
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smalll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 05:14 PM Response to Reply #59 |
80. The audacity of disenfranchisement, as it were. |
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Birthmark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 05:17 PM Response to Reply #80 |
82. Oh, that's good! lol nt |
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smalll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 05:24 PM Response to Reply #82 |
87. Thanks! |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:32 PM Response to Reply #24 |
32. If your party officials decided to take away the voting rights of women, |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:35 PM Response to Reply #32 |
38. If the DNC told my party leadership that an action they were contemplating |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:42 PM Response to Reply #38 |
51. and how do you know I did not do that. |
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Elspeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:23 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Or that parties should be allowed to disenfranchise voters |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:26 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. Those voters should have been clear with their party leadership |
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Birthmark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:30 PM Response to Reply #20 |
29. Yeah, right. |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:32 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. It wasn't the state legislature. It was the state party org, |
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Birthmark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:41 PM Response to Reply #34 |
49. Yeah? |
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kdmorris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:35 PM Response to Reply #29 |
39. Oh give me a break |
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Birthmark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:42 PM Response to Reply #39 |
50. Well, good for you. |
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kdmorris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:29 PM Response to Reply #12 |
27. Well, that's true, but if you don't like that, you need to take back the media |
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Birthmark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:44 PM Response to Reply #27 |
54. Let's see... |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:22 PM Response to Reply #5 |
13. The Constitution applies to the government, Political parties |
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Birthmark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:25 PM Response to Reply #13 |
19. Why would anyone get involved... |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:26 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. You hve it backwards. The party leadership disrespected the |
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Birthmark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:47 PM Response to Reply #22 |
58. So... |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:51 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. Yep, just like any other organization. nt |
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Birthmark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:56 PM Response to Reply #61 |
64. Well... |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:58 PM Response to Reply #64 |
68. There are active and inactive members in every organization. |
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Birthmark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 05:04 PM Response to Reply #68 |
74. So...politics is no more important than a stamp club? |
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kdmorris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:30 PM Response to Reply #19 |
28. Um... To remove Karen Thurman from power and put someone in |
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Birthmark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:53 PM Response to Reply #28 |
62. After they disenfranchised me? |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:57 PM Response to Reply #62 |
66. Your state peadership disenfranchised you, to win a pissing contest. nt |
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Birthmark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:58 PM Response to Reply #66 |
69. And the DNC pissed back |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:59 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. Your party leadership made an agreement and then reneged. |
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Birthmark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 05:05 PM Response to Reply #70 |
76. McCain wins FL |
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kdmorris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 07:54 PM Response to Reply #76 |
95. Um, McCain was probably going to win Florida anyway |
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themaguffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:43 PM Response to Reply #5 |
52. Neither the DNC or RNC are mentioned in the Constitution |
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kdmorris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:17 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. States are under no obligation to let "ordinary citizens" |
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Birthmark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:20 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Yeah, that'll bring the voters in!! |
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kdmorris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:28 PM Response to Reply #10 |
25. But the DNC is NOT the one that shot itself in the food |
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Birthmark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 05:09 PM Response to Reply #25 |
77. What would I have them do? |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 05:20 PM Response to Reply #77 |
85. And you care so little about the well-being of the country, that you'd |
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Birthmark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 05:24 PM Response to Reply #85 |
88. Neat trick. |
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kdmorris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 06:12 PM Response to Reply #77 |
91. Seat the delegates? |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:20 PM Response to Reply #2 |
8. I assume those voters belong to and are active in the party. |
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Birthmark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:23 PM Response to Reply #8 |
16. So... |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:25 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Those people had the right to participate in the party. |
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Birthmark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 05:13 PM Response to Reply #18 |
79. Yer talkin' outcher backside. |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 05:18 PM Response to Reply #79 |
83. Your representatives did this. Vote 'em out. |
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Birthmark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 05:21 PM Response to Reply #83 |
86. What I've learned... |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 05:26 PM Response to Reply #86 |
89. When you were a kid, did you often get your way by holding your breath |
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Birthmark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 05:28 PM Response to Reply #89 |
90. No. |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 08:10 PM Response to Reply #90 |
99. Not my leadership. I'm in Illinois. My party played by the rules. |
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Birthmark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 10:11 PM Response to Reply #99 |
104. And your Electoral Votes will go down the toilet. |
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Kittycat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 08:34 PM Response to Reply #2 |
102. Be honest... The State Officials REFUSED to change the date. |
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caligirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:06 PM Response to Original message |
3. These states had agreed to the primary rules months earlier they helped |
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thoughtcrime1984 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:27 PM Response to Reply #3 |
23. And this is the correct answer |
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kdmorris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:32 PM Response to Reply #23 |
33. Exactly! n/t |
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Birthmark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 05:16 PM Response to Reply #3 |
81. Of course. |
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caligirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 08:31 PM Response to Reply #81 |
101. The anger needs to be directed to the state organizations, we do have |
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ElsewheresDaughter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 06:13 PM Response to Reply #3 |
92. BINGO |
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kdmorris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:11 PM Response to Original message |
4. This decision was made last year |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:21 PM Response to Original message |
11. They broke the rules. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:37 PM Response to Reply #11 |
44. Us silly "little people" don't realize that THE RULES don't apply to "a Bush" OR "a Clinton" |
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DrFunkenstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:33 PM Response to Original message |
36. Pottery Barn Rule |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:33 PM Response to Original message |
37. Folks....we are getting our chains yanked today. |
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sniffa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:36 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. Typical |
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kdmorris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:36 PM Response to Reply #37 |
42. Good point |
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smalll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:38 PM Response to Original message |
45. I have a question too: (two actually) - 1) How many delegates would FL and MI have if seated? |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:43 PM Response to Reply #45 |
53. THE FACT that all "write-in" votes for HRC's opponents were placed in the "non committed" category |
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smalll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 05:04 PM Response to Reply #53 |
75. Your first point I think only applied to Michigan, in Florida (bigger state) Obama was on ballot. |
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RockyTorres (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 12:41 AM Response to Reply #53 |
107. But Obama got trashed in Florida and |
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NoBorders (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:39 PM Response to Original message |
47. If they had a problem with it they should have spoken up |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:50 PM Response to Reply #47 |
60. WE DID!!!!!! |
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Birthmark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 05:18 PM Response to Reply #60 |
84. It's your own fault... |
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ElsewheresDaughter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 07:55 PM Response to Original message |
97. that's what the rules that they brokered say |
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demo dutch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 08:15 PM Response to Original message |
100. REX! LATEST----Dean Favors 'Arrangement' Between Candidates Over Brokered Convention!!!! |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 12:51 AM Response to Reply #100 |
109. The only way he can avoid that, is to have MI and Florida rerun the election |
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writes3000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 12:53 AM Response to Reply #100 |
110. Wow!! The Implications of this are HUGE! |
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RockyTorres (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 12:37 AM Response to Original message |
106. AT THE END OF THE DAY THOSE DELEGATES WILL GET TO VOTE! |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-07-08 12:50 AM Response to Reply #106 |
108. The only way THEY will get to vote is if they rerun the primary |
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