Obama is Our JFK. this is wonderful

[meow mix]

im really excited, and happy.
just sayin...

[boricua79]

1. I feel it too! I'm with you

don't let the CLintonite harpies get you down. There's a reason why hundreds of thousands, maybe millions who never voted before are getting mobilized. The country is ripe for change, and Obama is uniting that fervor.

[dsc]

9. you are so amazingly gracious

I can't imagine why Clinton supporters post crap in response to your posts. :sarcasm: if it really is needed.

[boricua79]

44. haha...i'm not in the mood to be gracious

You're the one supporting a DLC-elitist, not me...and I'm damned glad she's losing.

Now, aside from that, nothing but love, dear.

[dsc]

54. if your candidate wins

he will want my vote. Hope I don't decide to treat him like you are treating me.

[boricua79]

56. I'm more confident he'll get others to replace your vote

than the other way around. I wouldn't vote for a Hillary candidacy, as well as most independents and conservatives. But, independents and conservatives are more likely to vote Obama.

[civildisoBDence]

172. I don't get the hostility towards Obama

What has he done to alienate any Democrat, even a staunch Hillary supporter?

Of course, I have no problem with anyone supporting Hillary...but to suggest that you won't vote for Obama is to act exactly like Ann Coulter.

Here's why I think Obama will win in November

[notundecided]

146. I think JFK right now is rolling over in his grave.

[meow mix]

148. eh.. yeah right, i bet he's cheering.

...

[alteredstate]

2. I agree

It's wonderful.

[muntrv]

3. A CNN reporter compared Michelle Obama to Jackie Kennedy.

[Tennessee Gal]

19. Talk about exaggeration!

This is absurd.

[Darth_Kitten]

23. She wears frumpy clothing too?

:shrug:

[madrchsod]

27. jackie wore frumpy clothing?

[Raine]

62. Jackie was known for setting fashion trends

maybe it looks frumpy to you now but at the time it was a big improvement over the dowdiness of Mamie.

Edit: spelling

[WinkyDink]

48. WTH?? Jackie wore French designer clothing! And 1960 wasn't 2008, FGS.

[BlueStateGirl]

30. Aside from being bright and accomplished what has she done

to earn that hyperbolic comparison? Seriously?

Any number of women are bright, accomplished and beautiful, are they all worthy of being compared to Jackie Kennedy?

[Cant trust em]

70. That one seems to be a little over the top n/t

[misanthrope]

81. Well, considering Jackie...

...came across as gracious but not particularly bright and her list of greatest accomplishments was little more than being born into the right family and marrying well, I think that's somewhat insulting to Michelle Obama.

[ecstatic]

179. True. Michelle O. is a self made independent woman nt

[roseBudd]

181. She is tall and looks good in anything she wears? And the girls are really cute

[elixir]

85. Eeeekk!!! That is plain scary. Is that why Michelle has the Mary Tyler Moore hairdo?

[DiamondJay]

122. thats a joke right?

jackie kennedy? try more like latoya from Destiny's Child.

[NightWatcher]

4. if he wins the nom, this jaded bastard is gonna cry buckets

[LucyParsons]

5. is that supposed to be a good thing?

I challenge you to read some Howard Zinn. ;)

[rosetta627]

105. I've read Zinn

He's clueless about JFK.
And he's not open to new information that has been released by the Assassination Records Review Board in the 90's that show that JFK was pulling the US out of Vietnam.
So he remains clueless.

[Taverner]

167. Zinn is a dissenting voice that should be heard

There is a lot of truth in his work

Having said that, he's wrong on a lot of things. But he's more correct than 99% of the other historians.

[BlueStater]

6. No he isn't n/t

[Tennessee Gal]

7. I don't see it. I lived through the JFK, RFK, MLK era.

Just sayin'

[meow mix]

15. as a champion to our cause we have a hero in the making

imo.

[Tennessee Gal]

61. not my hero

I have known heroes.

[Rockholm]

88. Obama is no hero.

[avaistheone1]

153. What has Obama done to make him a hero?

I don't see a single thing.


This cult thing is nuts. :crazy:

[cd3dem]

163. Balloons for everyone!

[Arkansas Granny]

168. May I ask what is the cause he is championing and what he has

done to make him a hero? Not being snarky, just asking.

[meow mix]

188. the cause of making us dems powerful again. and putting america back on the correct path.

this is a historical momemt super excited to be seeing this.

[Alameda]

67. So did I

and I feel it from Obama. I'm a lot more cynical now, but I do feel it.

[H2O Man]

8. This is an important night

in the United States of America.

[Coexist]

17. can you feel it?

Yes, I Can!

[H2O Man]

Yes, I can!

There is something powerful in the air.

[Solomon]

83. He's starting to unfold.

We are just now getting a piece of what he is all about. And yes, it was very historic. I thought of Martin and Malcolm and Bobby and John all at the same time.

[elixir]

86. With all due respect, Obama is no JFK. A great orator (w/ teleprompter) and good fella, but, no JFK

[Solomon]

91. Didn't say he was. Nor is he Malcolm, Bobby or Martin.

I said he made me think of them. I saw them all. I think they would like that he makes people think of them.

[rosetta627]

101. Well, maybe in time

JFK raised the bar pretty high.
He was a truly great and courageous man.

[H2O Man]

140. Yes, he is.

Barack is delivering the word.

Clowns will say he was reading from a teleprompter. That is not true. Anyone watching him last night knows that was the man speaking. I can say that I spoke with someone who assured me that the guy was saying things that weren't in the prepared speech -- which, as you know, is like Martin and John.

[burythehatchet]

31. I'm feeling it. More as an observer, but I feel the energy, like the heat of

a funeral pyre - burning away the corpse of a bygone era, and giving birth to a new era in world affairs.

[Coexist]

32. that was so poetic

you should use that feeling, that line, as the beginning of an OP. I can't wait to read it!

[H2O Man]

34. I agree. n/t

[burythehatchet]

47. aw thanks

:hug:

[cooolandrew]

171. It's kinda like a big rain cloud is moving away from america to brighter days. =)

[Eurobabe]

65. Fuckin' Aye!

Man he is on FIRE!!!

[journalist3072]

10. Good fucking grief....The cultists love that kool-aid....

[Lisa0825]

12. Buh-bye

My ignore list was swept recently... time to start fresh.

You are like a broken record.

[journalist3072]

14. I'll miss you.....NOT!!

[loveangelc]

28. go away.

[KAZ]

41. They won't.

You can protest, alert, bang your head against a wall, and they're still there. Sounds kind of familiar, doesn't it?

[burythehatchet]

60. like herpes

[Lisa0825]

90. Herpes is just a virus...

It bears no ill-will. It was created without consent and has no reasoning skills. Don't lower a poor virus by grouping it with a troll.

:evilgrin:

[Lisa0825]

24. to "Ignored"

too late!LOL! While I will never see your reply, I hope eventually you will find your peace with Obama as our candidate for the GE.

:hippie:

Ah... ignore.... what a nice feature.

[Labors of Hercules]

75. Oh, you are so...

damn... just... oh :yourock:

[Lisa0825]

93. *blushing*

:hug: :evilgrin:

[Cant trust em]

71. The cultist meme was so last week n/t

[meow mix]

96. yah only on DU is it still the main jab..

no biggie lol

[VotesForWomen]

137. scary, isn't it? nt

[meow mix]

145. its good, sip! sip!

someday you'll be thanking the obamans

[Maddy McCall]

11. LOL. You just keep on thinking that.

[ronnykmarshall]

16. Ain't that the truth?

[OzarkDem]

13. That's patently ridiculous

JFK had ideals, he stood for something. Obama is a shape shifter, he changes his views according to who he's talking to. He's more like Ronald Reagan, speaking in generalities, flowery speeches, who does exactly as he's told by his corporate and media bosses.

[mirrera]

29. read his books... so not what you say.

[OzarkDem]

57. I skimmed one of them, thin soup

sorry, but I stand by my opinion of Obama.

[Darth_Kitten]

18. A man cut down too soon......

but some could say didn't live up to his early promise.

[meow mix]

21. this time it will be like if JFK was never harmed.

we'll see the full effect. its a historical moment we stand on.

[okasha]

78. I think I'm about to have

a Lloyd Bentsen moment.

[Blue_In_AK]

100. You made me laugh out loud. :)

[elixir]

89. Please, this moment and this candidate do not warrant these words. I respect

Obama and feel he will be a terrific statesman with time and experience. Right now he has not been tested and he hasn't made a case for his presidency - at this time.

[madrchsod]

20. to move forward, respect the past and look to the future.

obama may understand how to move this country into the future....

[Raine]

22. I'm thrilled nt

:-)

[moosen]

25. he might be YOUR JFK, but he'll never be my candidate

[Cant trust em]

73. You won't vote for him in the general? n/t

[Bucky]

142. Oh yes he will

Hey, I'm arguing on your level! This is fun.

[burythehatchet]

26. I've heard that more than once

[BlueStater]

33. And it's just as ridiculous every time it is said

I don't get the whole phenomenon with this man (Obama, not JFK) and I doubt I ever will.

[Radical Activist]

35. I bet a lot of people never will get it.

No matter how much Obama does.

[BlueStater]

40. Um, what he has he done? n/t

[xchrom]

38. you're not alone. nt

[burythehatchet]

42. It's true. There were people who hated JFK as well. Heck, they killed him!

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

36. Ummm... I think JFK is our JFK

[meow mix]

115. true, but this one is for us, now and today! :D

excellent!!

[Tennessee Gal]

37. This is absolutely ridiculous.

I can't believe people are actually falling for this.

Especially those of you who should know better.

You know who you are.

[LWolf]

39. I'm glad you are happy, but I couldn't disagree more. nt

[Blue_State_Elitist]

43. Well then, Here's to 4 years of not getting through any meaningful legislation

[WinkyDink]

45. No. JFK was a decorated war hero, Pulitzer-Prize winner, and ERUDITE WIT.

[burythehatchet]

49. Leadership is not a meritocracy. Beaurocracy is.

[WinkyDink]

52. Non-sequitur much?

[burythehatchet]

59. only for an unskilled mind

[WinkyDink]

149. Like the kind that can't spell "bureaucracy"?

[misanthrope]

82. The merits of that Pulitzer are still debatable**nm

**

[harun]

46. God bless Obama (n/t)

[Skittles]

50. oh gawd

:puke:

[goodhue]

51. Despite the naysayers, I believe it to be true too

[ProgressIn2008]

53. Oh, good grief.

[aquarius dawning]

55. JFK went to Washington and tried to change things too. That is true.

[Lex Talionis]

58. The sheep look up.

You know why Obama scares the establishment? He was not suppose to do this well. He was just suppose to be a "token". The very foundation of our two party Elitist system is about to be shaken to the core. While he is not JFK, he is the change the system needs. If you support the Clintons, I can not blame you for being afraid. Maybe he's for real, maybe not. But one thing is for sure he scares them and thats good enough for me and many others who realize that the system is fixed. Why does Bill and poppy Bush golf together? Why did jr. defend Bill. Did you really have a choice last election? two mega rich white men, from the same elite college, members of the same secret organization, both wearing red ties and blue suits during the debates. Come on folks, you can answer that if you are true to yourselves. Koolaid comes in many flavors. Put it down and look up. This is heady stuff and history, for better or worse, is being made. GO BO!

[apocalypsehow]

63. I agree. This former Edwards supporter has never been so inspired in my life.

[yeswecan08]

64. He will be the most inspirational leader in the world

[psychopomp]

66. It sounds over the top

and we will not know for sure until he gets into office and has to deal with the pressures to compromise in order to get his agenda underway but he certainly looks like he could be the kind of leader the world could use at this point.

[bagimin]

69. No doubt...

It will be a thing of beauty when he represents us in third world countries. Just bedlam.

[calteacherguy]

68. Me too! nt

[Altec]

72. Besides having numerous affairs....

that would make Bill Clinton look celibate, JFK also won the election through crooked deals with the Mayor of Chicago.

Our JFK? Really, what did JFK do?

[dave29]

74. He had the audacity to suggest we put a man on the moon

and we did it. He made America believe in itself again, and he died for that.

What have you done?

[meow mix]

76. "He made America believe in itself again"

yes exactly

[rosetta627]

98. Yes, the great Helen Thomas says JFK is her favorite president

Because he was inspirational.
He was.
He still is.

[Altec]

79. History is very kind to JFK because of his unfortunate death

But you can continue to speak in generalities...

[rosetta627]

95. You have absolutely NO idea what you're talking about Altec

Try reading some history before you make a bigger fool of yourself.

[northzax]

152. he also had the audacity to suggest

that we expand our military presence in Vietnam, and hey! we did that, too!

funny 'made America believe in itself again' is the exact same thing people say about Reagan. Was the US really having trouble believing in itself in 1960? 15 years after winning the largest war of all time? standing astride the global economy like the Colossus of Rhodes? holding a bright light in the face of totalitarian communism?

you take the good, you take the bad, you take them both and there you have...

[rosetta627]

94. Here is some of what he did in the short time before he was murdered:

-Started the Peace Corp.

-Ended the Vietnam "Conflict" by issuing National Security Memorandum #263 in conjunction with the Mcnamara Taylor Report to pull all US personnel out of Vietnam starting in 1963 ending in 1965 (order reversed by LBJ less than 24 hours after JFK's murder).

-Started the Affirmative Action & Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) with Executive Order
10925, setting up a presidential committee mandating that projects financed with federal funds "take affirmative action" to ensure that hiring & employment practices are free of racial bias.

-Forced US Steel to deal fairly with the Steel workers union after US Steel used the promise of price freezes to force the workers to accept a bad contract then double-crossed the steel workers by raising prices.

-Signed Executive Order 11063 banning segregation in federally funded housing.

-Refused tremendous pressure of joint chiefs of staff to nuke Cuba during Cuban Missile Crisis, opting instead for naval blockade & negotiated successful peaceful resolution.

-Tried to end the Cold war by urging a joint US/Russian mission into Space, giving a brilliant speech at American University and getting the first Nuclear Test Ban treaty with Russia,

-Signed an Executive Order maintaining the right of federal employees to join unions & negotiate on many issues.

-Signed Equal Pay Act, making it illegal to pay women lower rates for the same job strictly on the basis of their sex.

-Stated in a publicized speech that segregation is morally wrong and it is time to act, then sending his proposed Civil Rights Act to Congress.

-And he was an educated and literary man who studied and learned history well and put his knowledge to good use, unlike you Altec. He didn't flaunt ignorance, unlike you Altec.

[meow mix]

106. like how he mentioned peace corp tonight

very cool

[rosetta627]

114. Did he?

Good for him. It's one of the greatest and most enduring programs. A wonderful legacy for President Kennedy.

[meow mix]

116. yah.. telling ppl to join it :D

was great!

[rosetta627]

118. That sure is great.

Thanks very much for telling me.

I hope that makes Senator Kennedy proud.

[Altec]

139. JFK....

was also a huge supporter of Joe McCarthy. One thing I do give JFK credit for is that he was in the house and the senate before he ran for president. He also didn't run for president on slogans and speeches.

Believe me, I know that Obama is no JFK. But I think it's fair to say that JFK's role in bringing America together and being a sort of Washington Camelot wase exuberated because of his death.

[rosetta627]

99. Hey Altec, your question was answered.

Now you know a small part of what JFK did.

Why so quiet alluvasudden?

[misanthrope]

77. Obama's father is involved with organized crime?!...

...JFK might have been charismatic, but he is far too deified for my tastes.

[RedEarth]

80. I'm excited too.... I'm starting to feel hopeful about the general election

[penguin7]

84. JFK was not so great

Isn't he the one that started the war in Viet Nam?

OH, I forgot he looked great on TV.

[latebloomer]

87. Yes, a lot of similarities between JFK and Obama!

In both cases, the worship is based on hype,not on substance.

[Octafish]

102. You need a history lesson. JFK kept the world from plunging into World War III.

That's a big job.

[rosetta627]

119. Yes, and President Kennedy had to fight the war hawks

In the Joint Chiefs of Staff to deter them from nuking Cuba and Russia.
Chief among them Air Force General Curtis LeMay--the real life inspiration for the insane character General Jack D. Ripper in Dr Strangelove.

[rosetta627]

104. No sweetie, he didn't start it. He ENDED it.

By issuing National Security Memorandum #263 on October 11, 1963 in conjunction with the Mcnamara Taylor Report ordering ALL US personnel out of Vietnam starting in 1963 ending in 1965.

http://www.jfklibrary.org/Asset+Tree/Asset+Viewers/Image+Asset+Viewer.htm?guid=%7BEF0FA2E0-5B34-4D6C-817D-9118F68A1B0E%7D&type=Image
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=152

On November 23, 1963--less than 24 hours after JFK's murder--LBJ issued National Security Memorandum #273 reversing JFK's order to pull all US personnel out of Vietnam. Shortly after that LBJ used the fake Gulf of Tonkin non-episode to dramatically escalate his war.

I hope you learned something here today penguin7.
If you learned some history, great.
If you learned not to pop off about things you know nothing about, even better.
If you learned not to smear a great and brave leader--that'd be best of all.

[dailykoff]

107. And then LBJ and his buddies ended JFK

and later Bobby. No wonder he's Hilly's hero.

[rosetta627]

112. Yup, the gansters took over the government

And their defense contractor cronies (Brown & Root aka Halliburton, Bell Helicoptor) got wealthy.

And good observation, war monger Hillary praises war monger LBJ for passing a watered down version of the civil rights legislation that JFK tried to get thru congress in June of 1963. And in doing so she alienates Teddy Kennedy, who knows the truth about his brother. So he immediately endorses Obama, aka the new front runner.

Well, maybe Hillary can curl up with a good biography of her hero LBJ to pass the time while Obama is in the White House.

[penguin7]

113. Your historical account is not quite accurate

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War#Escalation_and_Americanization.2C_1960.E2.80.931963

[rosetta627]

117. Oh sweetie, Wikipedia is pure propaganda.

http://wikiscanner.virgil.gr/

Among those proven by Virgil Griffith's program to be frequent editors of material on Wikipedia (as evidenced by IP address traces) are:

U.S. Senate Sergeant At Arms
U.S. House Of Representatives
Environmental Protection Agency
National Institute of Health
Democratic Party
Republican Party
Central Intelligence Agency

http://www.wired.com/politics/onlinerights/news/2007/08/wiki_tracker

"Griffith thus downloaded the entire encyclopedia, isolating the XML-based records of anonymous changes and IP addresses. He then correlated those IP addresses with public net-address lookup services such as ARIN, as well as private domain-name data provided by IP2Location.com.

The result: A database of 34.4 million edits, performed by 2.6 million organizations or individuals ranging from the CIA to Microsoft to Congressional offices, now linked to the edits they or someone at their organization's net address has made."


If you have been getting your information from Wikipedia then it is clear why you are so misinformed.

[penguin7]

147. JFK put 12,000 "advisors" into Viet Nam

That part is clearly accurate.

[socalover]

92. Yes indeed!

[jackson_dem]

97. One thread comparing him to JFK, another to MLK

Let's compare the accomplishments of JFK and MLK to Obama's...

[rosetta627]

127. President Carter compared Obama's speaking style to MLK's

The highest possible praise.

I personally think their style is very different, but they equate in terms of quality.
Both superior and inspirational and uplifting speakers.

[McCamy Taylor]

133. Obama is getting better. He will be able to deflect a lot of RNC dirt through oratory.

The same way that Bill Clinton could.

[rosetta627]

155. Yes, though Obama seems more genuine than Bill

Whether he's genuinely genuine remains to be seen.
:)

[socalover]

103. Gotta love Obama!!!

[donsu]

108. never is he like JFK. JFK didn't 'charm'. Obama 'charms'

nt

[dailykoff]

110. you're kidding right?

[rosetta627]

120. I sure hope they're kidding.

Talkin' smack.

[dailykoff]

121. Charm is what JFK was all about.

Teddy has it too. Maybe they just haven't heard. :shrug:

[rosetta627]

124. Yeah, JFK was so charasmatic

He had finesse.
Then beyond that he had substance and intellect.
And he grew and evolved, from a rich man's son into a true president of/by/and for the people.

Not of/by/and for the military-industrial complex.
That sort of pissed the MIC off...

[donsu]

156. no I'm not kidding - JFK's message wasn't empty

nt

[dailykoff]

109. All the virtues, none of the vices

at least I hope not. He's even got the family!

[ShortnFiery]

111. Me too. My husband told me yesterday that he was going to vote with me for Obama.

We both voted today for Obama in NoVA! :toast: Thank goodness that after 25+ years of marriage, we haven't canceled each other out on either a Democratic Presidential Primary or the GE. :-)

I'm fired up - albeit - HRC will NOT go quietly so it's not over "till it's over." :hi:

[meow mix]

128. thanks for helpin sis!!

:D

[BreweryYardRat]

123. Jesus, don't say that! You'll jinx him!

Say something, anything else.

Since Edwards dropped out, I'm supporting Obama. Which means I'd like him to live.

[meow mix]

125. no getting our guy this time..

the oppressors are going to be pushed down. its our time now..

[TheDeathadder]

126. I think you might be jumping the JFK gun

I think Obama going to need a little history behind him before real comparisons can be made. True history isn't so generous.

[socalover]

129. Thank you!

[niceypoo]

130. JFK didnt run on bumpersticker slogans

Nor did he avoid debates. JFK ran on substance.

[calico1]

143. He also had 14 years of experience under

his belt and war hero.

Yeah, Obama is just like JFK.

:eyes:

[McCamy Taylor]

131. People are going to disagree with me but I think this race is Jimmy Carter vs. Gerald Ford

Carter ran a grassroots outsider campaign modeled on the success of McGovern in 1972. The nation was sick of Nixon and Watergate. Gerald Ford was no one's first choice--certainly not Republican conservatives. Ronald Reagan's people stabbed him in the back. Carter had personal charm and charisma. Ford was an unattractive lump who never could have been elected president. Carter ran a campaign of hope, he promised to bring transparency to DC. He pissed off so many people once he got into office that Reagan and Bush and David Rockefeller and all their special interest friends in the media attacked him, stealing the 1980 election by conspiring with Iran to hold the hostages until after the election.

Since then, the corporate media has run a nonstop smear on Jimmy Carter.

Obama needs to get the proof from Iran that George Bush Sr arranged the Hostage for Votes deal. That will tarnish the Bush Family forever.

[defendandprotect]

134. Well, I also see a similarity to Carter . . . a naive and weak president . . .

not that he wasn't well-intentioned.

Just how many helicopters go down in the desert before you start to question if someone
is sabotaging your rescue plans?

Just how much has to be going on to make you wonder if someone is trying to keep you from
getting the hostages out--?

And why in the hell let Brz do the dirty in Afghanistan?
Was the CIA then doing this on their own --- was Carter unable to stop this madness ---
or did he agree to it --- ???

"We went into Afghanistan 6 months before the Russians came in --
We went in in order to BAIT the Russians into Afghanistan . . . in hopes of giving them
a Vietnam-type experience."

Of course, we also funded the start up of the Taliban via the CIA to ISI/Pakistan
--- and rounded up religious fanatics. Fully arming them, of course!!!

I hate to say this but JFK was also naive about the political violence and aggressiveness of
the right wing. As someone said, JFK thought he was president.

We have a right-wing movement on people's government, undermining it and overturning it everywhere
they can --- and decades and decades of political violence never really investigated.



because there are no warriors like religious fanatics!

[defendandprotect]

132. Well he's either an "empty suit" --- or another JFK --- !!!!

My guess is that he's neither ---

[meow mix]

135. lets just see..

[VotesForWomen]

136. JFK wasn't our JFK. those of us in the reality-based community do not go in for the hero worship

quite as much as you obama folks.

[meow mix]

138. i think thats a step up from cult.. see you'll be on board soon =)

glad to have your vote for Obama!!!

[candymarl]

141. Say could we have

a little civility here? It's great Obama is winning. But to say he doesn't need Hillary voters is to court political suicide.

They don't have to stay home you know. They could vote 3rd party. They could write in Gore or Edwards.

They could even vote for McCain. :(

True, Obama has the majority of the votes now. People do change their minds - and their votes. Obama talks of us coming together for change. I don't think anyone should be dismissive or arrogant toward those who don't agree.

Hubris is a dangerous and sometimes fatal flaw.

NOTE: Not for OP but as a reply to several posts.

[meow mix]

144. the people did it

sometime, they'll realize it.. and thanks us for our wisdom lol.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

150. he should be JFK's speech writer Ted Sorensen has been writing ALL of Obama words.....

Ted could even make bush and mc cain look and sound like JFK....it is ALL theater bought, packaged and sold to you by the same coroprate lobbyists on Obama's senior advisory team.


hey rube!

[northzax]

151. really? a drug-addled, serial womanizer

whose single most successful moment (the Cuban Missile Crisis) was basically orchastrated by his bother? Does Obama have a brother?

see, I can do hyperbole too!

[defendandprotect]

157. You couldn't be spouting r-w propaganda, could you? On the other hand . . .

I'd take JFK over most other presidents . . .

If you listen to the tapes of the Cuban Missile Crisis, you know that JFK was in charge --
and that he was dealing with psycopaths among the Joint Chiefs --- with the goal of
perpetual wars and fat military/intelligence budgets.

As JFK said as he observed the elite/military interest in Vietnam . . .
he concluded: "it's a nice piece of real estate."

Amazing that he had time for for his "drug-addicted/serial womanizing," isn't it --- ???

[northzax]

162. you mean he wasn't addicted to pain killers

for his Addison's disease and his back injury from the war? and he didn't have multiple affairs while in the White House? really?

[defendandprotect]

184. What I am saying to you is that he ran his business well --- while . . .

Both Bill Moyers and Pierre Salinger have told us that LBJ was "clinically psychotic" ---
LBJ had any number of mistresses at any given time and, in general, was a murder in the very
personal sense --- and a prime mover of the coup on JFK.

Nixon was taking all kinds of drugs --- anti-anxiety drugs -- and having an affair with
his boyfriend -- Bebe Rebozo.

GW Bush seems to be in the same boat with heavy use of anti-depressants and a return to boozing,
at the least. There are also rumors about odd sexual behavior from him, including rape.
All while running the country into the ground --- killing 2 million Iraqis --- and bankrupting
our Treasury --- not to mention corrupting the DOJ -- wiretappin citizens --- and commiting
generally impeachable and criminal offenses.

Clinton --- well, I'm sure no one has any questions about what he was doing --
but he was also providing mainly PEACE and a SURPLUS.

By any standard, JFK's presidency and his abilities were outstanding.

[meow mix]

176. yah lot of jfk hate.

hmmm wonder why lol i wonder if there is anyone ther are happy with..

[WinkyDink]

154. This assigned mythic quality to BOTH men is a large part of the Obama Phenomenon, IMO. Crowds want

to be in the presence of the Once and Future King, the Return to Camelot.

Even Caroline is swept up in this mood.

[defendandprotect]

158. I think that's also going overboard . . . and I'd point out to you that

many are quite high on electing a female ---

I can see the power of that ---

for me, however, Hillary would never be the female I would vote for ---

Pro-war in Iraq, pro-funding the war in Iraq, part of DLC leadership ---
not interested in single-payer national health care ---
and a great compromiser.

We already have all of that with Reid and Pelosi and everyone wants to turn them out!

[Freddie Stubbs]

159. I hope not

Doesn't anyone remember what happened to JFK?

[jzodda]

160. Getting a little ahead of ourselves?

JFK first off was a WW2 hero from a prominent family which means he didn't have to put himself in harms way, but he did anyway. He was in national politics far longer then Obama before running for president. 1946-1960 with terms in the House and Senate. Remember he defeated Henry Cabot Lodge, a real powerful senator in 1952 to get his Senate seat. That already puts him way way ahead of Obama on a political level.

He was also a popular and decisive leader AS President with a proven record. The Cuban missile crisis is a defining moment in US history.

To compare Obama to JFK is like comparing an adult to an infant. I love Obama, he makes great speeches and I believe he CAN be great. He certainly has a long long way to go to be compared to an icon like Kennedy though. Just because somebody makes great speeches does not make them great presidents or leaders. Action speaks louder than words and for that only time will tell.

[End Of The Road]

161. 20 recommendations? for WHAT???? wasted bandwidth? nt

[Iggo]

164. Well, to be precise, JFK was our JFK.

But I'm glad you're excited.

[shayes51]

165. Oh, brother.

[BooScout]

166. Does he have any love children?

JFK just might have.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080213.wjack13/BNStory/National/home

[meow mix]

178. well maybe not carbon copies down the the atomic level...

they may be a few differnces of course lol

[cooolandrew]

169. He's a fantastic candidate, he makes me very proud to support him.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

170. You know what else is wonderful?

Hillary is our Nixon.

:P

[BellaLuna]

173. no way.. he's more of a Ronald Reagan

great orator and pulls the masses in with his personality. He did give ol Raygun props after all. :puke:

I'll give Obama the credit he deserves in knowing exactly how to play the American people - lots of good vibes and played the race card against the Clintons - that was a brilliant campaign tactic though pretty much complete bullshit.

[Clinton Crusader]

174. He can be YOURS, Ill keep the oringinal.

:eyes:

[meow mix]

175. you'll agree someday!

im sure of it =)

[Clinton Crusader]

185. You keep thinking that

I lived through the original, dear. This guy couldn't hope to shine his shoes. Keep drinking that Kool Aid. One day YOU'LL come to your senses and look back and think what the HELL was I thinking? Read a few books on JFK, teach yourself a few things about a great man who saved the world from destruction, when those around him wanted to end it.

You have no idea what the hell you're talking about. This empty suit you have a crush on has 2 years experience and if were faced with what JFK faced, he'd poop his pants and take the phone off the hook. Do only one thing - rent Thirteen Days and honestly ask yourself if your hero could handle THAT.

I feel sorry for all you Obamabots, you are all in some sort of a daze and one day you will all wake up and realize you've been duped by a good speaker and not much more.

JFK was no angel, but my God, he was a brilliant president who did great things in his short tenure. Read a few books and educate yourself before you make ridiculous statements such as this. You're acting as if you have a high school crush and you're electing class president.

[Scurrilous]

177. K & R

:thumbsup:

[flyarm]

180. this is disgusting..Obama is no JFK..get the fuck outta here!..eom

[meow mix]

182. ...

ill take that as a no. lol

[hell-bent]

183. I think I want to puke

at your suggestion. I guess you could take that as a definite no!

[Clinton Crusader]

186. Obama is JFK? My God, what the hell is happening?

This guy couldn't hope to shine his shoes. Keep drinking that Kool Aid. One day YOU'LL come to your senses and look back and think what the HELL was I thinking? Read a few books on JFK, teach yourself a few things about a great man who saved the world from destruction, when those around him wanted to end it.

You have no idea what the hell you're talking about. This empty suit you have a crush on has 2 years experience and if were faced with what JFK faced, he'd poop his pants and take the phone off the hook. Do only one thing - rent Thirteen Days and honestly ask yourself if your hero could handle THAT.

I feel sorry for all you Obamabots, you are all in some sort of a daze and one day you will all wake up and realize you've been duped by a good speaker and not much more.

JFK was no angel, but my God, he was a brilliant president who did great things in his short tenure. Read a few books and educate yourself before you make ridiculous statements such as this. You're acting as if you have a high school crush and you're electing class president.

[meow mix]

187. look forward to hearing back from ya..

after ya change your mind in awhile =)

:patriot:

[Clinton Crusader]

190. Never happen little girl

JFK is my lifelong hero. Your school girl crush could never ever fill his shoes in a million life times. Have fun with his poster hanging over your bed.

[TankLV]

189. pathetic...really pathetic...

Not.
Even.
Close.

not even the horse caroline rode on...

[SammyWinstonJack]

191. Are you serious?