What Was The Clinton's "Jump The Shark" Moment?

[MannyGoldstein]

I wouldn't count the duplicitous duo out just yet, but it ain't looking good for them. If The Inevitable One doesn't fulfill her destiny, then what was the moment at which she and/or Bill "jumped the shark"?

I'm thinking Bill's race-baiting comparison of Obama with Jesse Jackson before the SC primary - I probably wasn't the only one who looked at that and thought "Holy %$#@!".

Any other candidates for the "jump the shark" moment?

[Joe the Revelator]

1. The tears

It may have won her NH, but man, I think it killed her in the long run.

[mckeown1128]

26. no no...the 2nd timing of the tears... nt

[boricua79]

54. honestly, yes...but...I was out with "if I knew then what I know now"

so I can't say I was with her.

[lisa58]

2. If she loses the nomination...

...I blame Bill

[Va Lefty]

9. I agree about Bill

the times I've heard him speaking on TV it sounded like it was about him not her.

[Whisp]

36. almost sounded like sabotage to me, at times. nt

[blm]

55. Exactly. Kerry and Kennedy have been EFFECTIVE spokespeople for Obama. Bill has been disastrous

for Hillary.

[NewJeffCT]

3. I think you're right on Bill Clinton

blowing it for Hillary. They haven't really recovered since.

[cottonseed]

6. wrong spot

sorry, wanted to post to original post

[psychopomp]

47. Two words:

"Spade work."

I freakin' picked up my jaw off of the floor when I heard Sen. Clinton say on MSNBC that people think Sen. Obama is not ready because he has not done the requisite "SPADE work."

[Renew Deal]

4. Mission Accomplished in Florida

That's probably it.

[DJ13]

5. Moving Bill out of a support role into lead attack dog

It reminded some on the fence voters of how bitter politics really were back in the 90's.

[kwassa]

7. She hasn't jumped the shark

you just want to write her off prematurely.

[Ian David]

11. You're right. She hasn't jumped the shark.

But she's gonna need a bigger boat.

[kwassa]

19. RIP Roy Schieder, he died yesterday

by like Hillary, the shark never got him.

He died at 75 from a blood cancer.

[mathewsleep]

22. that actor died recently

it's sad, he was awesome in seaquest.

[Ian David]

8. When she said that suspending Shuster was not good enough.

Granted, what Shuster said was wrong and inexcusable-- but at least he didn't accuse her of killing Vince Foster.

In other words, there are people who have said much worse, who still have their jobs, and go to sleep on a big bed stuffed full of money.

Trying to get him fired will send a chilling effect through the media and galvanize them against her.

I can understand why she might react that way-- I'd probably do the same thing if it were my daughter-- but strategically, it was a bad move.

If I were cynical, I'd say that Roger Ailes and Rupert Murdoch-- she and Bill's new BFFs-- put her up to it to sabotage MSNBC. But I'd give her the benefit of the doubt, and say that she was being a mom and not a politician.

[cottonseed]

10. I think the push on the "cult" stuff the last 2 days.

Not so much the Clintons, but the campaign and supporters. It reached a crescendo with Krugman's piece. He's a great guy though, just seemed to be in a bloggy mood that day.

[MonkeyFunk]

12. Dunno

but I think this is yours.

[AlCzervik]

13. i think you're dead right about Bill, i think that kicked off a lot of bad feelings

and a string of other unfortunate comments by other Clinton supporters. Once you wing the bell it's really hard if not impossible to unring it.

[EFerrari]

33. I agree and, it's too bad. They could have gone in a different direction. n/t

[Exultant Democracy]

14. My first thought was the Jesse Jackson thing, but the Florida "victory" mentioned up

may be the winner.

[Colobo]

15. South Carolina- Bill and the debate.

[Ichingcarpenter]

16. Bill Clinton: Here is the photo

[mdmc]

44. matson!

:kick:
:)

[Ichingcarpenter]

46. He's pretty good most of the time.

[mdmc]

51. some of his stuff makes me laugh out loud

I really dig toles too.

[Zavulon]

17. If the shark has indeed been jumped, it was either

the bullshit fake tears or Bill's "I've learned a lesson."

However, I hasten to point out that I am so in favor of Obama that my stance probably isn't as objective as it should be. All I can say is that the Clintons' behavior has actively disgusted me ever since this thing began.

[high density]

18. If it's happened, and I'm not sure it has yet... It was Bill

He dinged both himself and his wife when he became an attack dog on a fellow Democrat. I wish he would have saved that for attacking Republicans.

[tishaLA]

20. I don't know that she has

but if she has, it was, ironically enough, in the Hollywood debate. It was the first one on one debate they had and, while she outperformed him in many ways, it did Sen Obama a lot of favors by allowing America to see him as her equal on the stage. Benefit: Obama.

[XemaSab]

21. Third in Iowa

Many a campaign has faltered on those rocky shores...

[Political Heretic]

23. Bill Clinton. He basically cost her the nomination.

[JackORoses]

24. Tonight, when she ignored the Potomacs and a little Mexican boy in a Sombrero danced around her

[Not a robought]

25. I think it was the first time I saw her give a televised speech

She was at a baptist church, the congregation was African American and she spoke with a southern drawl.

I was like whaaaaa??? Is she seriously doing this? She's better than that, and from that point on I got a little suspect. For all the posts here pegging Obama as politically calculating, that was a doozy on her part.

If she gets the nomination I hope she gets centered and shows some true character for the GE rather than bottling it in and putting on facades like that one. Because this campaign strategy plus the radio-active been there done that Clinton dynasty baggage, is not going to cut it.

on edit: her first speech I saw on the campaign trail :-)

[chitty]

31. Yeah.........

That's the one where she said

"She was no ways tired" with an accent.

Nice.

[mdmc]

45. I ain't no ways tired

I saw that !

[gorekerrydreamticket]

27. I thought it was the deer in the headlights debate performance with the NY drivers licenses, etc.

and then the "piling on" video the next day...

[book_worm]

28. Adopting the Gouliani strategy of placing all her eggs in TX and OH

[harun]

29. When they tried to paint Barack "the black candidate". Which is

the point you bring up as well.

[NoodleyAppendage]

30. Her faux crybaby act in a vain attempt to curry sympathy with impressionable female voters. n/t

J

[gravity]

32. Clinton never jumped the shark

Obama just took control

[dogman]

34. Romney's suspended campaign.

It freed up the GOPers to Gobama.

[earthlover]

35. The jump the shark was dissing Martin Luther king's contributions....

...by saying it took a president to get things done....a few days before martin luther king jr's birthday.

Since then, the black vote...which, by the way, at one time was in the Clinton camp....solidified behind Obama.

Totally STUPID thing to say. Incredible. Along with Bill shooting off his mouth on the race topic, it was a dull thud.

[Bonobo]

37. If you didn't see the Hillary Clinton Band video, that was it for sure. Here's the link.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=385&topic_id=92707&mesg_id=92707

[tishaLA]

38. That's a great video!

It makes McCain look hip. Or, as Sen Clinton would say, "hep."

[Redbear]

39. The Clintons have actually done a fantastic job in this campaign

Although its not over, Sen. Clinton isn't behind because she or the former prez did anything wrong. She is behind because Sen. Obama has been so powerful. His message caught fire and keeps getting hotter.

[mdmc]

48. nice

I enjoyed reading your insight my friend:toast:

[LadyVT]

40. Uhh... she just won California and New York last week, people.

[mdmc]

41. The big dogs new zipper problem

In SC, he should have zipped his lip

[tabasco]

42. Trying to get the FL and MI delegates seated.

Flip-flopping and cheating wrapped all together.

[DemGa]

43. The race baiting is a fabrication

Your supposition does NOT equal fact.

[workinclasszero]

49. The race baiting ploy

Then the tears in NH, IMHO.

But first was the race baiting by Bill and Hillary implying that LBJ was greater than MLK.

[dailykoff]

50. The backhanded racebaiting in her Jan 13 MTP appearance.

It was vicious.

[psychopomp]

52. kick

:kick:

[JVS]

53. The LBJ>MLK talk that Hillary gave

[Dogmudgeon]

56. When the press decided to back Obama

Probably sometime late last summer or fall.

--p!

[Cameron27]

69. That's right.

It was around the time MSNBC decided to run a 24/7 Obamathon.

[MethuenProgressive]

57. She wasn't able to sink Obama's Swiftboating of her on race in SC.

She should've called Bullshit loudly, and not just hoped that people were smart enough to reject the lies.

[Bullet1987]

58. I think it was definently the time around SC

before the race-baiting from the Clinton camp...she split the Black vote with Obama. Afterwards, he has overwhelming control of it. That and for the simple fact that it's totally obvious that they miscalculated Obama.

[Vinca]

59. From "day one" of Hillary's campaign, I've been bothered by her

condescending style. I honestly expected I would support her - the "woman" thing - but she turned me off completely by talking to people as if she was teaching a special education class. Both candidates are very intelligent and there's little difference in policy between them - it comes down to how the candidate makes you feel in your gut. Obama inspires and makes you think we can actually turn the country around. Clinton lectures and scolds.

[terrya]

60. Gee, and I had this silly idea she's still in the race.

Silly, naive Terry.

[Raine]

61. The wink over the

global warming question.

[rndmprsn]

62. injecting race(ism) into the SC primaries

i lost a lot of respect for big dog bill too after that.

[Allyoop]

63. The shark Moments

Inevitability, policy wonkishness, Bill's racist "help", protesting too much about Schuster's choice of word, picking up on the Change Meme when we all know it's more of the same with Hillary. She lost me way before she even started though. I could have shaken hands with her at an event she held 10 miles from my home. (If I had $2300 to contribute to her campaign) Sorry Hillary. I think you would have been a good President, but Obama has the opportunity to be a really transformative leader. Face it, the Clintons are so last year's news.

[Arugula Latte]

64. IWR nt

[nomorewhopper]

65. This video (MUST SEE)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IA8Wy51Ionk

encapsulates the efforts of Clinton to reach out to new voters by going viral over the internet.

it's a bad call and only highlights her lack of understanding about that huge group of people growing up in the us

[Occam Bandage]

66. Bashing Obama for a Kindergarten essay.

[MannyGoldstein]

71. Bing! We May Have A Winner!

That was so odd and disturbing!

[Occam Bandage]

72. And it was the first "OMGWTF" moment of her campaign. She seemed in charge before,

and ever since her campaign has been a roller coaster.

[Why Syzygy]

74. hoot!

How did I miss that?

[Barack_America]

67. The Nevada lawsuit.

One day she's in the home of culinary workers asking for their votes and the next day some of her supporters file a lawsuit to take their votes away.

Suppressing votes is straight out of the Republican playbook and definitely left me thinking :wtf:

[Hart2008]

68. Announcing her presidential run after voting for the IWR without reading the NIE.

With the Iraqi occupation draining our economy and costing us the blood of Americans and Iraqis, Hillary announced she wanted us to reward her for her incompetence in rubber stamping Junior's lies, AND she won't apologize for doing this.

Really, everything else she has done has been anti-climatic.

[Strawman]

70. Why does she have to "jump the shark?"

There's no moment. I just think she has been gradually eclipsed by a more charismatic politician who is more or less similar on the issues, but is more credible at running against Washington.

And she still might win. Although I think Obama is the favorite now, and I am pulling for him, let's have everyone vote.

[Why Syzygy]

73. When she was the first to announce. Too presumptuous. n't