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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 11:05 PM
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I think -- and I know this will be unpopular -- Obama won the nomination tonight.
Not officially, of course, but I think Obama is where McCain was shortly after Florida. Things can change, but it doesn't look like the math favors Clinton at all. I know people will say don't count her out and I'm not going to do that, but I think we have our nominee tonight and his name is Barack Obama.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 11:07 PM
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1. she cannot catch up because of the size of the margins
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 11:13 PM
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7. and the mediawhores including superdelegates is misleading. Clinton has been losing for a while
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 11:23 PM
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11. Obama supporters were saying he was still "behind" ever since Feb 5th. I've been saying since then..
...that he was ahead in fact, but no one wanted to listen to me.

About a week ago I predicted he'd win.

It's about time people start coming to terms with him actually being the frontrunner.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 11:09 PM
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2. Anybody but Hilly, he'd have been the nominee weeks ago.
It's just getting more and more obvious. Unless Ohio and Texas are really anomalous or really rigged (not unlikely) this thing is over.
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thevoiceofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 11:19 PM
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8. Our Obama Texas organization is growing exponentially
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 11:23 PM
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10. Thanks, that's great to hear!
How secure are your election and vote-counting machinery? That's what really worries me. There was funny business galore in California and they have a good Sec of State (Bowen) who's gotten rid of most electronic voting machines.
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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 11:09 PM
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3. I Agree. He's only going to get stronger.
Right now his advantage is, he's the one candidate that everyone will stop and listen to. If only to see what the big deal is. And then they find out that he is a big deal.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 11:10 PM
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4. k&r
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 11:11 PM
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5. Time favors him in this race.
I have no doubt his campaign is spearheading a brand new paradigm in politics all over this country. I stand in applause.
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 11:51 PM
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20. Time is on our side
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 12:05 AM
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21. very nice!
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 11:12 PM
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6. I still assume it will be her as the nominee, but after the margins
and the demographics tonight, it's hard to see how she can overtake him--winning seems to be snowballing for him, and he's eating into her electorate now.
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 11:22 PM
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9. I'm going to wait until March 4 before I call Obama the nominee or not...
Clinton appears to be very strong in those states...and calling Obama the nominee this soon before they vote is kinda premature. Frontrunner yea...I'll give that to you. But definently not the presumptive nominee yet.
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RinaX Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 11:29 PM
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13. I agree with this
I've honestly been torn between the two current candidates, and amjust happy that this year the Dems had several great candidates, Edwards included, who I would have been happy to see in office. I respect Hillary enough that I'm not writing her off yet.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 11:49 PM
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18. Oh I'm not counting her out.
I'm not saying it's 100% over, either. I'm just saying, it's 1st and goal from the 1 and Obama looks poised to score.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 11:26 PM
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12. It ain't over til it's over.
I personally do not look forward to a brokered convention either. It's too much of a wildcard with decisions out of the voters' hands at that point.
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nomorewhopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 11:32 PM
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14. Anything can change, but I do agree with the OP
unlike Iowa-New Hampshire, in which there were 4 days, several weeks will have gone by while Obama racked up possibly what 9 landslide victories.

after iowa, momentum really never had enough time to take hold.

it's a different story now. mark my words, all we're going to hear about in the media for the NEXT THREE WEEKS is "Is Hillary Done For?". If Wisconsin is a landslide, and by all accounts it is shaping up to be a massacre, the news for Hillary becomes even worse as the pressure starts to mount for her to drop out, and the money dries up for good this time.

She has plenty of money however, but I bet some supporters would like to see that returned (or paid into the GE fund or whatever) instead of squandered, if they perceive her to have no chance.
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HeraldSquare212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 11:34 PM
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15. I think her big supporters will start abandoning her.
Her campaign will fall apart from the inside.
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socalover Donating Member (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 11:41 PM
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16. Yes indeed!
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Maxdee55 Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 11:46 PM
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17. Reverse Racism
For quite some time now Barack Obama has been running a campaign using one word "Change", his speeches now take on the form of a revival meeting, his supporters are almost cult like in their manic support for this man. Personally I have not heard anything of substance from him, and it has become quite clear that when Hillary or Bill Clinton take Obama to task the race card gets played. The media is in adoring mode when it comes to covering Obama's campaign, and only a few have pointed out that Obama as a State Senator took almost 3/4 of his money from special interest's, and lobbyists, and is still taking money from them. Maybe Hillary is afraid to take on Obama on the facts, the Republicans will not be so kind. It seems there is this big balloon that is being blown up with hope, dreams, and quite a bit of hot air, I have a strange feeling this balloon is going to blow up right in the Democratic party faces.
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 11:49 PM
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19. I thought it happened on Super Tuesday.
Here: http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Laelth/18

In fact, I think McCain is little more than token opposition. Obama may have been (effectively) elected President on Super Tuesday, but, as many wise people have noted, it's not useful to count this chicken before it hatches.

-Laelth
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Diane R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 12:22 AM
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22. I thought he won on Saturday when he swept every county in Washington State.
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