Edwards is the biggest Twinkie ever...

[Bread and Circus]

Seriously, has this guy ever been right about anything?

He's going to wait so long on his endorsing with his hemming and hawing that by time he endorses, it won't even matter. Which state is going to flip? And who is so on the fence that they need Edwards to do their thinking for them?

If he really believed in someone, he would have endorsed by now. It's obvious he doesn't, so his endorsement is going to be a tactical ploy. That's cool we get it.

But if his endorsement is couched in so much doubt and ambivalence it's not that much of an endorsement anyway.

Maybe it will help in Ohio or Texas I don't know but I just don't see that many self-respecting adults needing his say-so after he seems fairly irrelevent by this point. The only thing I could imagine he might help is if he campaigns hard for Clinton with the unions and factory workers in those states.

However, most of his supporters went to Obama. Obviously they were looking for change and they didn't find it in Hillary. How in the heck is going against his supporters to support the DLC candidate going to seem convincing?

And his argument that Hillary will pummel McCain and Obama can't seems pretty stupid considering all indicators say otherwise. Obama beat all Republicans combined in an open primary in Virginia. Doesn't that tell John something?

* on edit, I added "most of" to this sentence "However, most of his supporters went to Obama" for clarification. It's true, not all of them went there, but most of them did.

[grasswire]

1. He believed in himself.

Unfortunately, someone muscled him out too soon.

[karynnj]

22. The voters muscled him out

He dropped out because he knew where he was in the SuperTuesday states and competing there was expensive - and he didn't have the money.
If it were a matter of needing time and money to break through SuperTuesday, he could have loaned money to his campaign as Kerry did in 2004 and as HRC recently did. (Kerry had far less money to do it with)

He likely saw that he had never broke 20% nationally and was unlikely to. Not everything is a conspiracy. Not to mention, wasn't he the one that everyone said was willing to fight 2004 against everyone - even with no clear cut case?

[dajoki]

47. The voters...

whether they know it or not, had their candidates already chosen for them. Almost everyone agreed, people that I have spoken with here on DU and elswhere, including Obama/Clinton supporters realize that John Edwards was routinely forgotten by the media.

I'm not whining about it, that is just fact. I have read article after article about the Dem primary, from the start, and in many of them Edwards got a mention buried deep inside the story at best.

I will support our party's nominee, but like Edwards(maybe?)I am having trouble on decicing who will get my support. I have invested a lot of time and passion into Edwards and can't even imagine how John, himself, must feel. But I will eventually come around.

[karynnj]

He was very well covered in 2006

as a Kerry supporter, I envied the press that he and Elizabeth got. Their media declined in 2007 as both Obama and Clinton were shown to have more support. I know that the amount of media can hurt - no one was hurt more than John Kerry, but Edwards did not climb that much even when there was non-stop Edwards in December 2006 - he barely went up in the polls.

The media helped him compared to the second tier candidates when his numbers were as close to theirs on average as to the top two.

[grasswire]

90. Kerry's a victim now?

Boo hoo. Boo hoo.

That's almost laughable.

[dajoki]

92. One month in 2006...

Hmmm, really great coverage.:sarcasm:

[robbedvoter]

152. he was - as a pro-war candidate. Once he ran as a liberal - he got the Clark treatment

quite predictable. I mean , Gravel and DK barely registered on DU - where you think you're so progressive.

[anigbrowl]

141. It wasn't the media

I sw plenty of coverage of Edwards early on. I paid lots of attention to him and what he was saying. I learned far more about him as a person than in 2004 and developed a new respect for him. He had lots of face time with voters in IA and NH - he had been unofficially campaigning in IA since 2005. But his campaign and platform just didn't grab me emotionally, and it didn't grab other voters either. All 3 of the front-running candidates have a good policy platform. All 3 of them can articulate it pretty well. But Edwards just wasn't able to excite enough people about his leadership early on.

The people who say he was shut out by the media are also the people that insist the media don't make all their decisions for them. Why do you think it's so different for other voters?

[dajoki]

262. Why do I think it's so different for other voters? Here's why...

Because has made it an Obama/Clinton contest all along. I know that i am not the only one who feels this way also.

The corporate media blackout of John Edwards gets worse
by JedReport
Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 10:39:11 AM PST
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/1/5/12286/27650/142/431084

It has been clear for some time now that the corporate media is actively excluding John Edwards from its coverage of the 2008 race.

After Iowa, there was every reason for the corporate media to have started including John Edwards in its narrative. After all, even though Edwards had been third place since the summer, trailing Hillary by double-digits in several polls, he erased that gap completely, and he did so on a relative shoestring budget. As BruinKid has shown, Hillary and Obama each spent twice as much per vote as Edwards.

But instead of paying more intention to Edwards, since Iowa the corporate media is paying less attention. The corporate media blackout of John Edwards continues, and it's getting worse.

One way of measuring the corporate media's systematic exclusion of Edwards is to look at the frequency his name is mentioned during news broadcasts. CNN publishes a transcript of its programming, so I was able to run a quick analysis comparing how frequently they mentioned his name on caucus night to the day after caucus.

Here's the night of the caucus:



Here's the next day:

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Media Tenor’s Campaign Watch: Lack of Coverage, Lack of Votes
By Media Tenor.
http://www.mediachannel.org/wordpress/2008/01/31/media-tenors-campaign-watch-lack-of-coverage-lack-of-votes/

<<snip>>

No chance for Edwards to get TV attention

ABC, NBC and CBS candidate coverage, 7/2007 – 1/2008*: coverage of major Democratic candidates

Over the last months the network news the Democratic race presented as a duel between Clinton an Obama. That’s why John Edwards had no chance to receive awareness for his candidacy.

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I could go on, but you should get the picture.

[DaLittle Kitty]

49. BULLLLL...SHIT BUDDY! It Was The Corporatist Media... Go Drink Some More of that Potent Beverage...

They Call KOOLAIDEEEEEE!

The end of a nation and ffolks drinking the koolaid are to be held RESPONSIBLE!

[dajoki]

94. AMEN!! n/t

[eowyn_of_rohan]

293. Double amen!

[dajoki]

28. Yes...

The media muscled him out, he never stood a chance from the begining. IMO, its our loss!!

[DaLittle Kitty]

53. HillBill and Obamarama Are Both "OWNED" By Wall Street + Nuclear Industry Among Others. That Is The

Conflict for Edwards. I hold out that he WILL NOT ENDORSE either Corporatist democrat... That was his attraction... Edwards was running to "TAKE ON... AND DEFEAT THE CORPORATISTS!'

[dajoki]

97. Absolutely true...

Please read.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4564596&mesg_id=4564596

[Occam Bandage]

And Mr. Fortress isn't "owned" by Wall Street, because he *is* Wall Street.

[Sulawesi]

2. Agreed, if you don't have the guts to endorse when the outcome is in doubt, then your endoresment

is worthless.

[stillrockin]

5. I have to agree.

[Inspired]

263. Maybe the endorsement has been put off by the candidate he is endorsing?

Have you ever thought of that? Maybe Clinton or Obama want this to come in time for the Ohio primary where Edwards working class issues are more important?

[SteppingRazor]

3. Meh. At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if he endorses no one.

And there could be a lot of reasons behind that other than simple vacillation.

[surfermaw]

31. I hate to tell the likes of you, Seriously, you ned some information on Politics

If John Edwards withholds his support he controls his deligates....Do a little r eading, that is what I fear of all these young KIDS thinking, the know all, when what they need some strong courses, before they start smarting off their mouths.....

[Straight Shooter]

34. Thank you, surfermaw. There's a dearth of information on DU.

And starting a thread calling Edwards a twinkie is extremely offensive.

[Auntie Bush]

134. I agree.

I heard somewhere on this site that John liked the Hillary platform and her ideas best...so does Elizabeth...but she doesn't like Hillary and doesn't wan to support her. What's he to do if he doesn't like ones platform and doesn't like the other candidate? That's a hard decision and I can see him wanting to hold on to his delegates. Agreed, that doesn't make him a wuss.

[kristopher]

287. Twinkie - appealing but lacking in substance

I thought it was was racial -as in "oreo". I may have been wrong:

Definitions of Twinkie on the Web:

* Appealing but lacking substance.
www.nytimes.com/2004/10/03/weekinreview/03word.html

* A Twinkie is a "Golden Sponge Cake with a Creamy Filling" created by Hostess, and baked by Continental Baking Co., which is owned by Kansas City-based Interstate Bakeries Corporation. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twinkie

* Twinkie is a slur used by some American Indians to refer to a European American, with little or no social or blood links to any tribe, who claims to be an American Indian. Particularly applies to those who claim to be shaman, healers, or other prominent respected positions in Indian culture. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twinkie (slur)

[SteppingRazor]

39. I need some information? Um... John Edwards doesn't control his delegates.

He can suggest they vote for the candidate he endorses, but they don't have to.

[surfermaw]

51. For some of you one this board, you had better be worried about how many votes you have lost Obama,

With your nasty attitudes.Some of you are his worst enemies....

[SteppingRazor]

67. I'm sorry, I don't get it. How did I have a nasty attitude?

I suggested that Edwards may withhold endorsing, and that his refusal to endorse a candidate is probably not due to being "wishy-washy" or a "twinkie," to use the OP's terms. How am I being nasty? :shrug:

[anigbrowl]

147. 26 delegates =/= a power bloc

Yep, he controls his delegates, so he may be holding back in hopes of swinging the decision one way or the other at or before the convention. But he only has 26. If he waits too long, there's also the possibility that his endorsement becomes irrelevant because the leading candidate no longer needs those delegates to win.

[Egnever]

206. 26 delegates is fast becoming irrelevant

[kristopher]

278. He doesn't "control" his delegates

As I understand it, whether he endorses or not, his delegates are not under his control.

If you know differently, I'd love a link to set me straight, I heard it on the tube - more than once.

[Occam Bandage]

4. Despite all his talk, he's again showing that when it's time to walk the walk,

Johnny Reid Edwards walks the milquetoast DLC path.

[PresidentObama]

14. Because he hasn't strongly come out for Obama, he doesn't walk the walk.

Alright, ok.

[Occam Bandage]

19. No. Because he hasn't strongly come out. Just like when he was in the Senate,

John Edwards doesn't do shit unless he knows for sure which way the wind is blowing.

[avaistheone1]

23. That description sounds like "Not Present" Obama to me.

[Occam Bandage]

26. I'm sure it does.

[Critters2]

218. He's strongly come out against corporatism and poverty.

Which leaves him no candidate left to endorse. I know how he feels.

[chimpymustgo]

264. Just like Obama has strongly come out to stop funding the war? Or go to war with Iran?

You live in a glass house.

[Bake]

6. And the Obamist attacks on Edwards now begin ...

Sigh.

Bake

[Occam Bandage]

9. Now begin? I'm pretty sure half the Edwards supporters on this board have me on Ignore. I love his

'08 platform and I think his supporters are great people, but at the same time I think he's a phony.

[Bread and Circus]

12. I've been similar things about him since 2004...

I tried to buy into him this time around but I frankly never got past the $400 haircut.

Real populists don't get $400 haircuts.

I come from a blue collar family, I live in a blue collar town. $400 haircuts are about as reasonable as $2000 tank of gas.

[Occam Bandage]

30. You're not alone. In the latest issue (I think) of the Economist,

they give his campaign a quick obit in a discussion of the race so far vis-a-vis the resurgence of populism. They claimed the problem with JRE was not the message, but the messenger--that voters did not really believe that the multimillionaire hedge-funder with a mansion and a $400 barber tab would be the scourge of the "two Americas."

[anigbrowl]

159. Ah, a fellow Economist reader

I knew there was some reason I liked your posts.

I agree that he has never managed to shake his 'pretty boy' image - every time he was in the news, conservatives would jeer at his $400 haircut. If he had been smart, he would have gotten a short #3 haircut and walked around with his sleeves rolled up all the time last year. Bush is a lousy president, but he has a masterful understanding of how he appears to his core voters with his 'regular guy' look. Edwards should have taken a leaf from his book and worn his jeans more often.

I think about these things because I work in the film industry, and it's part of how you tell a character's story. Like it or not, people judge a great deal by what they see before a candidate even opens his mouth. Edwards kept talking about being a fighter but he didn't look the part. I kept watching him on TV and muttering 'take off the damn silk tie!'.

[Horse with no Name]

42. How do you feel about the politically connected getting a $300k discount on a house?

That is 750 haircuts. You should be REALLY pissed.
Honest people don't get 50% off of a house simply because they are honest.

[Bread and Circus]

68. Yeah but even Blue Collar workers try to get a DEAL...

Everybody tries to get a DEAL, especially Blue Collar workers.

But Blue Collar workers don't get $400 fucking dollar haircuts.

You are comparing apples to chainsaws.

[Horse with no Name]

81. And blue-collar workers don't get $600k houses for $300k

And even still-MOST blue collar workers can come closer to a $400 haircut than they ever could to a $600k house.

[jackson_dem]

100. The hypocrisy is lot on the "believers". Edwards has earned his haircuts and home honestly

He didn't get a criminal to give him a $300,000 discount in exchange for $14 million in government funding for his projects.

[Hoof Hearted]

200. So Barack Obama got "a deal" on his house. Hmf. You learn something new every day.

He must have picked it up at one of those door-buster sales, on a blue light special.

[Horse with no Name]

201. Yeah--that guy Rezco--you know the one he doesn't "know"

wink wink nudge nudge--gave it to him.
Amazing, that.

[Hoof Hearted]

215. And all that for just 5 billable hours of work! Amazing indeed!

[Horse with no Name]

217. Imagine if he had done 10!

The house would have been free!

[kristopher]

282. Yeh, I saw Rezko posing in a WH picture with Billary

[Horse with no Name]

295. Nice deflection

BUT we were talking about Obama and HIS relationship to Rezco.

[surfermaw]

111. And thene a lmost stealing part of his yard/

[bpeale]

84. and you justify obama's $1000 suits how?

a suit like he wears...the cut...the fit...all that comes at a price. he sure don't shop at the walmart.

[Occam Bandage]

114. Because Obama never presented himself as the scourge of the wealthy. It's not the finery,

it's the hypocrisy.

[Critters2]

220. So we are okay with wealthy candidates out of touch with the working class.

Thanks for clarifying!!

[Occam Bandage]

246. EXACTLY what I said!

[KitchenWitch]

255. It is fairly true across the board that the more money you make, the more you spend

Get over the fucking haircut already.

[krabigirl]

7. Maybe he just doesn't want to endorse anyone. And that's his choice.

I hope he doesn't...

[Justyce]

8. Re "His supporters went to Obama". Not this Edwards supporter.

And there are plenty of other Edwards supporters backing HRC now. I think HRC is closer to him on the issues.

[avaistheone1]

10. I think so. I think Clinton and Edwards are much closer on health care.

[Occam Bandage]

20. They are, but Clinton and Obama are far closer than Clinton and Edwards.

[avaistheone1]

32. True. That is why I am not as excited about them as I was about Edwards.

I am currently favoring Clinton because the health care issue personally means a great deal to me, and she is closest to Edwards' plan.

[kristopher]

281. Trippi says otherwise. He says they almost completely went Obama. But what does he know?

[liberal N proud]

15. This Edwards supporter is still undecided

I have been called by the Clinton campaign to volunteer but have committed to nothing.

I may still vote Edwards in the Ohio primary in March.

[Justyce]

18. I'm in TX -- I originally planned to vote Edwards, but with

it so close, I'll probably go ahead with HRC. The whole thing is pretty disheartening.

[readmoreoften]

274. I want to vote Edwards, too. But I might vote Clinton just because I can't stand Obama supporters.

And because, even though I can't stand the DLC, I'll choose the devil I know, thanks.

[surfermaw]

113. I'm not, I am Hillary all the way , after seeing hostile Obama voters spamming the board with nasty

insults toward Edward, I like the attitude of the Hillary people..

[BlackVelvet04]

35. ditto n/t

[libbygurl]

61. I, for one, am heartened to know this, Justyce! And what you say is the truth. nt

[bpeale]

85. this Edwards supporter would NEVER vote for obama

i'm not all that sure about clinton either.

[Critters2]

221. I voted for Edwards, and I'm not backing anyone now. nt

[Fox Mulder]

225. I'm an Edwards supporter and I'm not going to support either Clinton nor Obama.

I'll vote for the candidate that is our nominee in the GE, though.

[easy_b94]

11. I like him but sometimes......

[mrreowwr_kittty]

13. He camped out in Iowa for 3 years and courted the union vote assiduously

Then the caucus came and he lost the union household vote to Obama. So I don't even see how he could help her with that voting bloc.

Outside of the media, blogosphere, and political circles, no one gives a shit about his endorsement.

[avaistheone1]

17. Well outside the media, blogosphere and political circles no gives a shit about politics anyways.

No kidding!!!

:shrug:

[mrreowwr_kittty]

27. That's definitely true. nt

[unc70]

103. Edwards actually spent less time in Iowa than several others

I couldn't find the story with a quick search, but Edwards spent the fourth or fifth most days in Iowa and Obama and Clinton were not all that different. I think it was Clinton who spent 8-10 days fewer than Edwards.

Even now, I really hate seeing this type misinformation still being spewed.

BTW In the first 5 or 6 days of national polling following Iowa, Edwards was the one who got the bump while Obama was flat nationally in the polls. The media ignored the national polls and focused only on NH and the prospects of Obama winning by a historic landslide and ending the race right there in NH. Didn't happen that way.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

106. Doesn't change the fact that he lost the union vote and that was his target demo

And the bump he got post-Iowa didn't do squat for him in NH. He got a much lower percentage there than he got in Iowa.

[Catchawave]

16. Has Gore endorsed anyone ?

:shrug:

Most of those voting for Obama in the Va Primary, were Republicans, don't you guys get it yet?

Edwards supporters really don't want him to endorse anyone, maybe he's still listening to the people :D

[Bread and Circus]

44. In case you just woke up from a long nap, his supporters mainly went to Obama.

[Beaverhausen]

66. that is ridiculous. Prove it

you are so clueless, but that's no surprise.

[Catchawave]

108. Quit the condescending crap, I asked about Gore, not his supporters n/t

[ClericJohnPreston]

194. You have a majority of the Edwards people slamming you

including myself, as we would never support Obama, and you conclude the converse.

You are clueless.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

289. Such stupidity

Many will not vote for Obama if he becomes the candidate. THis is not to say all are Hillary supporters. Many will not vote at all, myself included. My anti-Obama feelings become stronger every day, in large part because of the behavior of BO's supporters on this website.

[BeyondGeography]

21. I think his biggest problem is he still wants to be President someday

or at least that's one of the issues that has led to this embarrassing display of indecision on his part.

Hillary is the weaker GE candidate, plus she'll never run again if it doesn't work out for her this time. If he endorses her and she loses, he picks up some important goodwill for the 2012 race where she won't be a factor.

Obama is not only the stronger GE candidate, he's younger than Edwards and will be a rival for the party's affection for as long as Edwards is around. If his endorsement helps Obama win, the best he can ever do is Attorney General. If he endorses and Obama loses the nomination, Obama can come back in 2012 and point to all those nice things Edwards said when he endorsed him as a way to keep Edwards in his place.

Decisions, decisions...thinking people should all be able to agree that this is much more about Edwards' personal ambition than it is about principle.

[Blue_In_AK]

24. One more time...

EDWARDS DOES NOT NEED TO ENDORSE ANYBODY. Why aren't people wringing their hands here about all the other former candidates who haven't endorsed anyone?

And to assume that all of Edwards' supporters have gone to Obama is just wishful thinking on somebody's part. My guess he's as torn about who to support as many of the rest of us. I myself am not thrilled with either of the two candidates remaining, and I haven't endorsed anyone either.

[kristopher]

284. It isn't wishful thinking; Trippi's been al over the tube stating it clearly

I think most of the one's here most of the ones agitating here are just HRC supporters trying to stop what has already happened - the bulk of us Edwards supporter didn't go into some ridiculous mourning/grieving state, we moved on. And most of us moved on to Obama.

[Political Heretic]

25. I was an edwards supporter first

...and all I can say is that his choices about this are mystifying to me. It would be so interesting to know what he is thinking.

[bigtree]

29. I'd bet he'd be 'right' if he picked Obama

:eyes:

[Adelante]

38. Not to me

I don't care who he picks or if he picks.

[Name removed]

40. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Beaverhausen]

65. Did Biden? Did Kuchinich? Dodd?

:eyes:

[Crunchy Frog]

167. To be fair, none of them had much of a following

so their endorsements would probably not have much of an impact. Edwards has a considerably larger following, and so has the potential to have some degree of influence.

[theHandpuppet]

101. "Twinkie" is a slur for gay, like calling someone a FAGGOT

Just for those of you who don't know. So Edwards needs to be "a man" and not a "twinkie?

Why this kind of language is acceptable on DU is beyond me.

[Catchawave]

105. Rovian bully tactics played poorly :(

...and they keep writing those RW talking points for them. Sigh.

[robbedvoter]

161. Same reason hillary screams, cries and is a bitch to poor Schuster who was only

expressing his freedom of speech when making the pimping remark.
Sexism is alive an well in this "progressive" forum - whether it's directed against women or gays.

[LostinVA]

163. She was just compared to

Glenn Close from "Fatal Attraction" in another thread. One of the most sexist movies EVER, imo.

[cbayer]

260. I though Twinkie was a Golden Sponge Cake with Creamy Filling.

I've heard twink used in the gay community but not twinkie. But that could just be me.

[kristopher]

286. I took it to mean white outside and inside. Like the racial dimension in "oreo"

[RandomKoolzip]

187. "Twinkie"? "Be a man"? That's some serious homophobia you've got going there.

:thumbsdown:

Thumbs WAY fucking down.

[Critters2]

222. Gee, homophobia from an Obamite.

Are we really surprised?

[The Traveler]

33. Well, at least he never thought

that he could organize a kumbaya moment with the priests of corporate greed and have these massive problems resolve into mists before his ineffable coolness.

(Don't like it when others speak rudely about your candidate, eh? Might consider that next time.)

Frankly, I think Obama is blowing sunshine up all our butts. He's not a complete lightweight but his policies are kinda thin ... one reason why he doesn't perform well in debates. I'm still pulling for him ... but only because I think he has a bit more on the ball than Hillary. Also I observe he has been more vigorous than Hillary in plagiarizing from the Edwards platform and rhetoric, and I like that.

Here's a tip with respect to getting along with Edwards supporters. Uh, most of us in a real sense were not Edwards supporters at all. We liked the guy OK ... but recognized he had his own feet of clay. We knew had been pretty well handled during his one term as a Senator. (Boy, was that an eye opener for him.) All that.

Nope. We were in it for the message, the platform, the detailed positions on issues. Most of are willing to support anyone who steals his plan. :evilgrin: (Of course, that plan includes pissing off some of the worlds most powerful people, but I digress.)

"If he really believed in someone ..."

Dude, that's the point. He doesn't. Neither do most of the people I know who supported him. We believe in a purpose. Obamites believe in the man, even though I gotta say I find the man's mission pretty vague.

I believe in Obama to this extent ... he is a good guy ... he is smart and competent and won't screw up badly if at all ... and he will absolutely crush John McCain in the general election. Right now, I'm feeling pretty good about all of that. Erin Gobama.

[Horse with no Name]

36. Perhaps you just needed an opportunity to smear him

I'm glad you were afforded one. :eyes:

[Bread and Circus]

43. smear shmear... I guess Edwards might rediscover his DLC roots after all...

[Horse with no Name]

46. Doubtful since he has renounced them AND they have renounced him.

But nice try.:eyes:

[Bread and Circus]

59. then why is he even thinking of Endorsing the Queen Bee of the DLC?

come on... hit me with it.

[Horse with no Name]

64. Perhaps because he feels like many of us and that it is the lesser of two evils?

The difference in voting for Obama and voting for Hillary to me is like being asked do you want to die by a hundred cuts or by a thousand cuts.
I would suspect that MANY feel the same way.

[Bread and Circus]

75. Well, then you are ignorant of their records, statements, and records...

I can't relieve you of that but reading a little on your own might.

[Name removed]

77. Deleted sub-thread

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[bpeale]

86. i would rather deal with the devil i know, than the devil i don't know

and that favors hillary clinton

[Helga Scow Stern]

37. Maybe he's not endorsing either because both are voting for NAFTA

in South America. :shrug:

No way, no how does this help the poor, despite all the fancy speeches.

[B Calm]

41. I think he's just like me, why get excited over two corporate candidates.

If I were to pick the lesser of two evils, I go with Obama! Either way, we'll still end up with the best government corporations can buy and the little people lose again!

[theHandpuppet]

45. Who the hell are you to speak for ME?

Former Edwards supporter who went to Hillary.

[Bread and Circus]

62. I don't speak for you, but there's a little thing called the news and in

the news it reported that most of Edwards' supporters went to Obama.

And considering Clintons national numbers have barely budged since Edwards left, it kind of makes sense.

Sorry, the facts sting sometimes and even the MSM has the bad medicine that you have to swallow once in a while.

[theHandpuppet]

102. Oh so you're the scientific poll, now?

Just from guesswork.

Well guess again, jerk.

[AlertLurker]

48. His 26 delegates could make for some interesting math...

Obama1215 - Clinton(1190 + Edwards26)= 1!

[karynnj]

104. He can not assign his delegates

He can free them to "vote their conscience" in the first round and suggest they vote for HRC, but they are free once he frees them.

[AtomicKitten]

50. I think Edwards missed his moment to endorse.

Plus if he endorses Hillary, the #1 recipient of lobbyist cash, he would look like a flaming hypocrite. If you ask me, which you did not, he will probably not endorse anyone at this late stage or, if he does, he waited so long it will probably have little impact.

[Bread and Circus]

63. I agree, he just shouldn't endorse and stay above the fray, like Gore.

I only post this in response to how his aides are still flirting with the media about his "impending endorsement".

John, be a man...speak the fuck up.

[greguganus]

52. Why do you hate twinkies? n/t

[theHandpuppet]

98. "Twinkie" is a slur for gay, like calling someone a FAGGOT

Which is why the OP used it in his subject header to insult Mr. Edwards. But these kinds of blatant insults are obviously acceptable around here.

[LostinVA]

136. The OP is very, very aware of what he means by "twinkie"

His use down thread of combining it with "be a man" shows he is very aware.

Why this hasn't been deleted is astounding to me.

[LSdemocrat]

54. Not endorsing is a statement in and of itself

If you really don't believe that one alternative is significantly better than the other, than you have no business endorsing someone.

[SteppingRazor]

57. Exactly.

That's the point I was trying to make with my post, above, but I fear it may have been a bit confusing. :blush:

[madmom]

131. kinda like voting "present".

[Critters2]

226. Indeed. I'd be disappointed in him

if he endorsed either of the corporatists.

[The River]

55. As They Say

It takes one to know one.
How many Senate seats have you won Sparky?

[AndyA]

56. I'm sure Edwards and his supporters are all just ripped up over your opinion.

:eyes: Really, it carries so much weight. Really, it does. :eyes:

You should consider cutting back on the Twinkies, it's obvious all that sugar is crystallizing your ability to think properly.

[themaguffin]

58. why should he endorse now? if he does, it will be at a strategic moment

[anigbrowl]

171. This is a strategic moment

I respect his right to endorse either candidate. This would be the time to do it, when the race is very finely balanced. He could help put Obama over the top or give Hillary some much-needed wind in her sails and positive news to report.

If he waits for one of them to open up a big lead, the reaction to his endoresement will be a big 'so what' because it likely won't have much impact on the outcome. Edwards is a smart guy personally, but he just doesn't sem to know how to play this game at the campaign level.

[Beaverhausen]

60. Ah, that lovely "unity" you Obama supporters love about so much

You can't even talk the talk, let alone walk the walk.

This Edwards supporter has definitely NOT gone on to support Obama. Get over yourself.

[mac56]

69. "However, his supporters went to Obama."

Bullshit. Nor to Hillary either.

Posts like yours are a prime example of why I no longer give a fat rat's ass about whom the nominee ends up to be.

[Bread and Circus]

71. I fixed the statement, reread the original post. You still can't refute the basic premise

neither can anyone else.

[mac56]

72. I. No. Longer. Care.

Refute that.

[Bread and Circus]

73. Then. why. are. you. taking. time. to. post. in. this. thread?

[Thrill]

70. Edwards has no influence in NC

So I don't see why anyone would take anything he says seriously around the country. He has a hard time convincing us here in NC

[ncliberal]

151. Quit fucking speaking for all of NC!

You do this all the time and I'm sick of it since there are plenty of us here that do still support Edwards. I am a current Edwards supporter that will NEVER vote for Obama. I don't care for Clinton either but at least her health care plan is better. If I'm forced to choose I'll vote for her.

[asdjrocky]

74. What a fucking joke you are.

You know, it's posts like this, from idiots like you, that make it easy for me to vote against Obama. Not only that, but it makes it easy to vote for Hillary. I sure hope you realize what you're doing. John Edwards still has many people in this country that support him, and a lot of people here on DU.

This was a total asswipe post. Good luck to your empty suit.

[mac56]

76. good post, Rocky

Thanks for putting it better than I was able to.

[asdjrocky]

78. Thanks, I'm just sick of the idiots.

[BeyondGeography]

79. Why, there were 4,500 in Virginia alone yesterday

:thumbsup:

[asdjrocky]

82. And those are 4,500 of my brothers and sisters that you heap ridicule on. Nice work.

How many people started the civil rights movement?

[BeyondGeography]

89. Stop with the martyrdom

That's what deserves ridicule.

[asdjrocky]

110. Oh FU, trust me, there's no martyrdom here.

[citizen snips]

242. exactly, its another bullshit post

The dirty little secret is John Edwards can turn the nomination and some folks can't handle that.

[DURHAM D]

80. What is wrong with you.

Leave it alone. The guy tried for seven years to become President. He lost. His choices are his choices and at this point you should butt out.

What is your passion? What have you done lately? Have you ever tried really hard to accomplish something and lost out while your neighbors, your friends, or the whole country was watching.

I hope someone kicks when you are down so you know what it feels like. I hate bullies. Geez.

[asdjrocky]

83. Welcome to the Obamanation.

[libbygurl]

118. Do people know that flipping the first two vowels in Obamanation spells....____?

...and is very close to Abomination? Just a thought. A silly one, yes, but there you are.

[asdjrocky]

120. I wonder myself.

[Geek_Girl]

87. I was an Edwards supporter till he dropped out

I voted Obama and I'm glad he didn't endorse a candidate. Let the process play out and the voters make up there minds. He doesn't have to endorse anyone!

[saracat]

88. John Edwards has no obligation to endorse anyone. The fact that he has Not used what influence he

has chosen NOT to endorse for the usual political reasons. You have revealed yourself to be completely ignorant of the nature of John's camapign which was issue driven as opposed to personality. You say John was "wrong ' about everythibng? really? Wrong about universal healthcare? Wrong about Poverty? Wrong about pulling the troops out of Iraq? Wrong you say?

And of course he doesn't "really believe",in someone else.He was running for President himself and he knew he had the best plan. Unlike you, I do not pretend to "speak" for Edwards but he s appears to be trying to decide what is in the best interest of the nation and to make a decision between the lesser of two evils.Or perhaps to not endorse at all.

[MrsMatt]

91. Nice post, McCain

John Edwards doesn't have to explain himself to anyone, least of all you, you snack-cake.

[Bluebear]

93. Is this the follow-up to Ann Coulter's "Edwards is a faggot" nugget?

Save it. And this Edwards supporter did not "go to Obama".

[Horse with no Name]

95. This one did but thankfully!

Some fellow Edwardians pulled me back from the abyss.

[NMMNG]

96. Twinkie?

And :wtf: exactly is that supposed to mean?

You Obama supporters seem to have an easy hand with the gay-bashing.


BTW, this Edwards supporter sure as hell didn't go to Obama.

[theHandpuppet]

107. And the meaning is quite clear, too

"he'd still be a twinkie... he needed to be a man"

Time for a few folks to stand up or shut up. Either you will tolerate this kind of gay-bashing on DU or you won't.

[NMMNG]

117. Gay-bashing is tolerated just fine here

We need to get over it, you know. We're a bunch of thin-skinned whiners. Hand-wringers.

I'm getting really tired of this shit.

[libbygurl]

119. As is misogyny. Tolerated here, too. And this is supposed to be a progressive site? nt

[NMMNG]

125. Indeed

Same shit, different day.

[Bread and Circus]

124. Don't hijack this thread and turn it into some gay rights thing....

I said Twinkie, not Twink...

Here's another example of the use of the word Twinkie: The Minnesota Twins are nicknamed the "Twinkies" by fans, a joking reference to the team's tradition of ineptitude dating back to their days as the Washington Senators.

and there are many, many other uses of the word Twinkie.

I mean Twinkie in the way he has no substance or nutrition. I could have called him a spineless wimp, but it doesn't have the same ring.

[NMMNG]

133. Why do you have a problem with Human Rights?

Gay Rights are Human Rights. If you want to make slurs against people in an effort to defame and emasculate John Edwards you'd better be prepared for people to react. If you didn't want this to turn into a "gay rights thing" perhaps you shouldn't have made the crude comment in the first place. Unless you've been living under a rock the past few decades you can't claim you have no idea of the connotation of "Twinkie".


And Edwards has no substance or nutrition? Jesus, Edwards is a four-course dinner compared to Obama. (Of course if Edwards decides to endorse Obama you'll decide he's your new best friend.)

[Bread and Circus]

144. This isn't about gay people or gay slurs. I live in a small town, the gay friends I have don't

call themselves Twinkies.

I've heard the phrase Twink in relation to gay relationships and online role playing games for alternate characters that are geared up for player versus player encounters.

I didn't call Edwards a "Twink".

I called him a Twinkie...something that is flimsy, squishy, and has no spine. It fits him quite well.

There are many uses of the word Twinkie in slang terms and now that I've been forced read up on its slang use I don't find Twinkie is a gay term although to some it may have that meaning.

Bullying me about it doesn't help your cause.

[LostinVA]

154. I love the "I don't care about gay rights anymore and it's all your fault" argument

Is it in the DU homophobe handbook?

Phobe: (insert homophobic remark here)
Gay DUer: That's homophobic because...
Phobe: It's not homophobic.
Gay DUer: Since when has f*g not been homophobic.
Phobe: I have gay friends/sibling and they don't think it's homophobic. Oh, and I supported gay rights, but since you were SO MEAN, I don't support them anymore. It's all your fault I don't support gay rights now.

[Bread and Circus]

158. This is just crazy...(look inside)

My argument is --> here.



























































What you have tried to turn this in to ---------------------------------------------------------------------------> over here.

[robbedvoter]

168. Good one! Reminds me of "several friends of mine wrote "pinp" in a nonsexual way" thread

And I have it right here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4552098

of course, the famous precursor was "some of my best friends are Jews"

[asdjrocky]

157. Yeah, I had a feeling you lived in a small town.

[Bread and Circus]

160. And I went to Medical School in San Francisco, did my residency in Maine...

so what's your point?

And who's bigoted now?

[asdjrocky]

164. You went to med school in SF, and still used the word twinkie?

Wow, your ignorance speaks volumes.

[asdjrocky]

248. ...

[NMMNG]

162. I'm perpetually amazed at how many Obama supporters

have dozens of gay friends who are just the coolest ever. They never take offense at any slurs, don't mind having their rights thrown in the toilet by people like Obama and his "Ex-gay" shithead pals. If I had a dime for every time I'd be rich.

Bullying me about it doesn't help your cause.

You were never interested in my cause anyway, so I really don't give a shit. Have fun with your gay friends who like being treated like dirt. I'm through being treated like shit by Obama supporters who think they can bully me into voting for their candidate.

[Hoof Hearted]

239. Now you're crying about being a victim of bulling? After starting THIS thread?

Jesus Christ on a pogo stick. You are thick, aren't you?

[readmoreoften]

277. Doesn't help my "cause"--

What helps "my cause" is eating ignorant, mouthy, know-it-all, little fucks like you for breakfast.

Newsflash: the LGBT movement doesn't need the help of Bread and Circus.

[LostinVA]

148. God, LIGHTEN UP, it's just a gay rights "thing"

Oh gods...

[LostinVA]

140. And what does "be a man" mean in your neck of the woods?

Especially when used in conjunction with a "wimp/fag" slur like "twinkie"? Hmmmm.....

[Bluebear]

181. "Some gay rights thing" - - and you say Edwards has no substance?

[readmoreoften]

271. Just don't turn it into "some gay rights thing"?

Well if you weren't such a heterosexist in the first place, your "Twinkie" comment might've been viewed differently. Personally, I consider the source.

[greguganus]

219. I'm sure I'm not the only one who has alerted on this. Still here though...n/t

[shaniqua6392]

123. I am so ashamed of some DU'ers.

Gay bashing should not be acceptable. Sometimes I wish Obama supporters would go create their own site and call it Democratic Undergound II or something. They just think they have everyone figured out. This Edwards supporter did not go to either of the remaining candidates. I really can't stand either of them. If you forced me, I guess I would go towards Clinton. But, the more I hear of Obama supporters, the more I think I will stay home on election day. How sad.

[NMMNG]

135. If Obama is in the GE,

and it looks more and more like he will be, I'll either stay home or write in another name. Between Obama himself and many of his rabid, hateful supporters there is no way I'll vote for him. Ever.

[shaniqua6392]

142. I knew a long time ago

that I could not, in good conscience, vote for him. It only took two words to let me know that. Donnie McClurkin. I will not vote for him in honor of my sister. I will not vote for him in honor of my brother. I just can't and it breaks my heart. I think I will write in a candidate. I will have to think of someone to write in who has been a great advocate for GLBT issues. That will make me feel better.

[LostinVA]

166. "Tolerate"

He's okay with my wife and I being "tolerated."

[NMMNG]

259. Just like we're supposed to accept a "basic set of rights"

You know, like training wheels, so they can see if we can handle them like real people. :eyes:

[Bongo Prophet]

178. I agree with you, no matter who this person is supporting, but the tone and the slur.

I don't want any candidate supporters to "GO" anywhere, but if they can't make their point without slurs, they really need to look within themselves and make "a CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN" -- if a supporter turns into a fanatic goes against the very principles of that candidate, then they are either really stupid, or have an alternate agenda.

I get up this morning to read this, and now need to take a DU break. Just too painful.
May GLBT brothers and sisters, my fellow non-bigoted dems, we don't need this shit.
That little alert is there for a reason, and I do not use it lightly; but there are times, esp when people are hurting, that the flaming has to be stopped.

I am off for a few hours to get some sun or something - will be back to answer some PMs tonight.

[LostinVA]

139. Yup, I gasped when I saw the thread title

And am simmering hours later that it's still here.

As usual, sexism and homophobia go hand in hand... be a man, you little twinkie.

Oh wait, I guess we're being thin-skinned and overreacting.

[NMMNG]

165. Of course we are.

But if somebody had used some slur for black people the shit would have hit the fan, and would anybody be calling the AA DUers thin-skinned or overreacting? :eyes:

[readmoreoften]

270. So John Edwards is just a fag, huh? Is that you Ann Coulter?

The hope is just radiating through you. I see the light.

[RestoreGore]

99. Sorry, I supported Edwards and have gone to neither

And neither of them would be worth his endorsement in my book. However, if the supporters of Obama here are any indication of the country as a whole, I would say his reportedly leaning towards her is understandable, though I hope he abstains from endorsements now. John Edwards started the dialogue on poverty, healthcare, and climate change... the torch they carry he lit, and many Democrats still support him and we vote. So I wouldn't be so quick to call him a "twinkie" if I were you.

[terrya]

109. "Twinkie"

"Twinkie" = John Edwards is a big fag.

Now, WHERE I have heard that before? :eyes:

[Bread and Circus]

116. Twinkie means twirp where I come from. Should I have used spineless wimp instead?

[LostinVA]

183. Wait, you said you went to school in San Francisco

???

[alteredstate]

253. Yep --- that's what I thought it was.

Maybe it's a Midwestern thing....

[Bread and Circus]

261. I think that's what it is as I grew up in Michigan and reside there now.

[readmoreoften]

276. Yeah, and it means a man that's easily beaten up....

because he's a 'faggot'.

[ClericJohnPreston]

112. How ironic

I find you to be a touchstone of irrationality, whose opinions are usually partisan and provided with no insight whatsoever.

I'm an Edwards man, one of the strongest, and holding my ground....like John.

However, if pressed, there is no way in Hell I'd choose Obama where there is still another choice. Unlike his die-hard supporters, I have no problem penetrating his veil of fluff and non-content. He is, like Bush, an emperor with no clothes. It won't take long for all that flash panache, to evaporate.

I'll take experience and substance and someone battle-tested. On all accounts that isn't Obama!

[Bread and Circus]

115. Experience implies competence and Hillary has run one of the most incompetent

campaigns I've seen in years. It seems she didn't learn much in all those 35 years.

Btw, thanks for the ad hominem attack. It means you can't argue your point on the merits.

[DURHAM D]

121. You rag on a man who has put it out there and you can't even put up a full profile.

You are a coward.

[Bread and Circus]

126. Ahh... more ad hominem attacks....

When you can't refute the message, attack the messenger!!

I'm outraged!!! Outraged I tell you!!! :mad: Now....watch this drive !! :patriot:

[DURHAM D]

128. You did an ad hominem attack on Edwards - no facts, just drivel.

You have no message to refute.

Again, you are simply a coward.

[Bread and Circus]

132. cry more

:(

[Occam Bandage]

143. Thank you for not understanding the meaning of the word "ad hominem." It always makes my day.

[theHandpuppet]

149. But I see calling Edwards a "Twinkie" doesn't bother you a bit

Interesting, your choice of what words count and which ones have meaning.

[Occam Bandage]

155. Not really, no. I believe Edwards talks a great game, but lacks spine. I agree with the message,

and so while I wouldn't have worded it as such--since I wouldn't want people to believe I was making heteronormative statements--I have no major qualms with the OP.

[theHandpuppet]

169. I asked you specifically about the wording

But I see you have no problem with a common slur for gays, only how that wording might be perceived by others. Nice. Since few others here seem to be bothered by this kind of gay-bashing language, I'll take it that your attitude reflects the majority opinion here. I can always hope that I'm wrong about that.

[Bread and Circus]

150. don't even go there. trying to explain the subtleties of what an ad hominem attack

really is to these folks would take way too much of your effort for very little return.

I appreciate you digging in though :toast:

[theHandpuppet]

129. Get lost, ASSHOLE

You can't say that was an ad hominem attack, now can you.

[Occam Bandage]

145. Correct! That was simply abuse. Points to you.

[theHandpuppet]

153. And calling someone a twinkie is not.

Gotcha.

[Occam Bandage]

156. Nope. That's abuse too. Now, if he had said,

"Edwards thinks Obama is weak? Edwards is a twinkie, so whatever," then that would have been an ad hominem attack.

[ClericJohnPreston]

196. I'm glad

you learned one expression I've used often, as a champion of logic. Unfortunately, as someone who spent an entire thread making ad hominen attacks on EDWARDS, turnabout is fair play.

Further, I answered your post topic and you failed to respond.

NO SURPRISES THERE.

[libbygurl]

122. The bandwagon phenom in the media sure feels like Bush in '04, Iraq War to me. nt

[theHandpuppet]

127. I'm very touched

"I find you to be a touchstone of irrationality, whose opinions are usually partisan and provided with no insight whatsoever."

[Bread and Circus]

130. Well, you've already responded to this thread and like a lot of other people...

all you do is resort to ad hominem attacks, because you can't refute the premise.

Please all of you, put me on ignore and save yourself some TUMS. If you don't want to have a debate, stay in the lounge.

[theHandpuppet]

137. Never mind

I'm not going to continue to get suckered in to this. Pure flamebait.

[Blue State Bandit]

138. Ease up on Edwards.

Though I have not supported his run, I respect the guy, as should everybody here.

He's not running anymore so there is no need to knock him around.

[Blackhatjack]

146. Remember it is still legal in this country to be 'clueless' like this OP...

Edwards is pushing issues like poverty for people who are politically powerless, and he is keeping the issue on the front burner of both the Obama and Clinton Campaigns by deciding not to endorse either just yet.

When people act on behalf of those who cannot help themselves they deserve the benefit of any doubt.

[onehandle]

170. Fuck you.

You add nothing to DU.

[Bread and Circus]

173. I've hit the top of greatest list 3 times in the past week. I have 5 hearts and a star.

People message me to give them feedback on their posts.

None of that counts?

:shrug:

[LostinVA]

175. All 5 hearts and a star shows is that you donated $25 to DU

All of my hearts are from my secret admirers -- probably all twinkies and twinkie allies.

[Bluebear]

179. "I have 5 hearts and a star." LOL well bully for you.

[LostinVA]

257. I bet he has a "rare" dog, too

[ClericJohnPreston]

203. All it means

is that you are an Obamite playing to a pathetic crowd, where supporters routinely laud simplistic thought and abusive posts.

Sad, very sad......

[Critters2]

229. None of that means you get to be a sexist homphobe

with impunity.

[Straight Shooter]

249. None of that counts. How many blue ribbons did you get in basketweaving class?

You're being given support by people who think like you do, who don't mind the ugly things you say. You're proud of that.

You post inflammatory threads that get reasonable people riled up. Your posts are clever, but not intelligent. You want attention. You've got it. Most DU'ers recognize your name now. They also recognize you as the one who is proud to insinuate that Edwards is a faggot.

As Jeff Foxworthy would say, "Here's your sign."

[robbedvoter]

172. When you believe your own press, you become a bully: Edwards should withdraw!

Hillary should withdraw!" "Edwards should endorse" "Hillary supporters should STFU!"
The marching orders are flying on DU...I noticed this human condition effect: a group of people is constantly validated and held above others, they begin to thing they are better - and become bullies.
I mistakenly thought this was a GOP-er trait - the Obama experience teaches me differently.

[Forrest Greene]

174. Y'Know, I Read The OP

...and I said to myself, "Now, here's a guy who's an expert on Twinkies.""

[BlueStater]

176. I will not support Obama unless I'm forced to

For all the crap I've heard over the years about Edwards being a "phony", Obama strikes me as being no more sincere.

[tandem5]

177. ouch! you got anything to say about gore? hahaha nt

[IndianaJones]

180. I don't understand why these types of bigoted slurs are allowed to stay so long. nt.

[Bluebear]

182. Because the OP is not interested in "some gay rights thing"

[Guava Jelly]

184. Edwards is a good man.

If he endorses Mrs Clinton than he endorses Mrs Clinton.
Endorsements don't mean squat to me.
I have my own reasons for supporting who I am supporting

[Marie26]

185. What does that even mean? Twinkie?

[LostinVA]

188. It means "fag"

[Marie26]

204. Oh. nice. nt

[Bluebear]

189. Derogatory slang for a gay male.

[LostinVA]

190. Jinx

[Bluebear]

191. That's twice

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4566265&mesg_id=4574710

[LostinVA]

195. OMG -- you must be my sockpuppet

Or else we think alike.

Both are scarey.

:scared:

[Bread and Circus]

192. Spineless wimp.

A lot of people in here are trying to hi-jack my meaning for their own grandstanding purposes.

Unfortunately, no one can actually refute the premise with any logic.

Inside of gay circles, Twink (not Twinkie mind you) means slender young gay male and so some here have jumped on the bandwagon to create outrage where none should be.

[Bluebear]

193. Yeah, we're sure you meant an Asian who is white inside instead.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=twinkie

Especially when later in the thread you claim Edwards was a twinkie, "not a man".

[Bread and Circus]

198. Did you notice your dictionary didn't support all the bullshit you guys

have slung at me?

In that dictionary alone "Twinkie" has 49 different meanings, most of them refer to an Asian slur, not a gay slur. I'm by no means calling Edwards Asian or Gay.

The way I use it is in terms of him being: wimpy, squishy, spineless, devoid of real nutrition, fake, and lacking in substance. I think it makes more sense to use Twinkie that way than it would be when referring to a gay male.

A Twinkie is a "Golden Sponge Cake with Creamy Filling" <<< that describes Edwards pretty well in my opinion. Looks good, but not very good for you.

[Bluebear]

199. That would have worked fine except you advised him to "be a man".

Also, you complain about bullshit being slung at YOU when you start such an unnecessarily mean-spirited post? Cripes.

[readmoreoften]

275. Right, calling a man a twinkie isn't an attack on his gender expression....

And "Iron My Shirts" had some cryptic significance as well.

[LostinVA]

197. That MAY have worked except for a few things:

1.) you went to school in SF,
2.) You bragged about your many cool gay pals, and
3.) Your little use of "be a man" with it.


Talk about "code words."

[Bread and Circus]

209. You have a bad habit of putting words in other people's mouthes

1.) I went to medical school in San Francisco, I learned a lot of things but no one ever used the word Twink or Twinkie while I was there. It was a while ago, so perhaps the use of the word "Twink" in gay circles is more recent, I have no idea.

2.) I didn't brag about cool gay pals. I just said the gay friends that I have never used the word "Twinkie" or "Twink" around me. I'm no mind reader.

3.) Yes, Edwards should "be a man" and say what he really believes. This is a phrase of speech that has longstanding meaning. It use is to suggest one should act with bravery and conviction. Some might regard it as a sexist term, but not an anti-gay term. I don't think it's sexist however and I don't use it that way.

Again, if you want to have a real debate on the merits of the argument, please take me to task.

If you want to have a name calling fight, please take the high school crap back to the lounge.

[LostinVA]

223. No, I don't have that habit at all, which is what's killing you

Oh, and bringing the Lounge into it? On brother.

Your OP is indeed bread and circuses.

[Marie26]

207. Right...

Sorry, not buying it.

[noamnety]

186. Why is this macho bullshit getting recommended?

male supremacy - be a man
twinkie - homophobic crap

"I had nooooo idea that calling a man a "twinkie" as I'm claiming he's effeminate - not enough of a real man - could be taken as anti-gay."

Yes.

Quick question. Do you ever do a perfect swan dive into a swimming pool and then end up shocked when your hair gets wet? When people point out your hair's wet, do you deny it?

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

202. Flame......bait.

Of the highest order.

[Shine]

205. I completely agree.

:eyes:

[ClericJohnPreston]

208. You give this particular OP

too MUCH CREDIT. It is flame bait of the LOWEST ORDER!

Then again, consider the source.

[cooolandrew]

210. Thanks for a post of great clarity. K&r

[Marie26]

214. Ack

One man's derogatory flame-bait is another's "post of great clarity".

[Bluebear]

228. Barack the House! Boo john Edwards! Wow.

[LostinVA]

230. IOne of the weirdest things I've ever read on here

Actually, scariest:


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4560956

[Bluebear]

235. I saw. I envision people collapsing prostrate in adoration & submission

[Cha]

211. I supported John Edwards and

still do unless anything drastic happens that would change my opinion of him.

Did Edwards really say this or is it heresay?

"And his argument that Hillary will pummel McCain and Obama can't seems pretty stupid considering all indicators say otherwise. Obama beat all Republicans combined in an open primary in Virginia. Doesn't that tell John something?"

[jackson_dem]

216. It tells John that primaries mean nothing in the general

Supposedly Edwards is concerned about Obama's toughness. We now have two sources claiming that. It makes sense. Anyone who has watched the debates from the beginning to now would see Obama has always been a coward toward Hillary.

[Cha]

227. Too bad Ignored

answered me..I really wanted to know.

[jackson_dem]

212. One the sickest OP titles ever. Pure bigoted homophobia

Not surprising coming from a supporter of Donnie's candidate...

[Prism]

288. Twinkie is not homophobic. Stop lying.

The disingenuousness and outright lying of gay Clinton supporters is really getting to superhuman levels now.

Twinkie - spongey, lightweight, airy, spineless. That is the colloquial American English understanding of that term. The accompanying comment: "Be a man" as a version of "Get a spine" dovetails just fine with that definition. Maybe a touch anachronistic with a patina of sexism, but nothing terribly out of bounds.

Twink - A term in common usage in the gay community typically referring to young, often inexperienced males generally between the ages of 18 to 24. Often goes hand in hand with physical traits such as little body hair and slender build. (Everyday conversation among gay men: "So what's this guy you're seeing looking like?" "Oh, you know, a twink"). No one anywhere *ever* in my extensive experience of being a gay male has used the term twink as as a synonym for faggot.

It is not a slur.

Clinton supporters need to stop lying under the assumption straight posters who may not be familiar with LGBT terms will simply take their word that twink = faggot.

It does not.

[Bucky]

213. Useless post.

Never mind that you're using anti-gay epithets against a real heavyweight, you're not even getting your facts right. Polls before he withdrew from the race consistantly showed his supporters leaning moderately toward Clinton. As an Obamista, that doesn't make me too happy, but as a grown up I don't have the option of ignoring facts I don't like.

Anyway, Edwards is under no obligation to make up his mind over who he'd prefer for the nomination. If he's looking to cut a deal, well, I don't see how that's a bad thing for a politician to do.

[Bread and Circus]

232. In as much as the facts go, since Edwards dropped out...

Clinton's poll numbers haven't budged. Obama's have went up considerably. Considering Clinton's numbers have been in the 40's for over a year, it's safe to say that most of Edwards' folks went to Obama. Where else did they go, if not there? Where else would Obama have gotten his numbers? The only way for this not be true is if Clinton got Edward's supporters but then traded her own to Obama, which I would consider highly unlikely.

And it's not me just saying so, it's well documented by political analysts that Obama got the lion's share of Edwards's support.

Further, it's not an anti-gay epithet. That is just bullshit. I'm tired of people twisting the meaning.

As for your final analysis, I just disagree but that doesn't make this a "useless post". Rather, I think it strikes a nerve and that's why people have went to such twisted and great lengths to discredit me, because they can't attack the message - deep inside people know it to be true.

[GreenTea]

224. There is no doubt Edwards will endorse Clinton before the big March 4th primaries!

[Bread and Circus]

231. Mods, please lock this thread. It's obvious that people have

decided to miscontrue the meaning and derail the conversation mainly through ad hominem attacks, piling-on, and bullying.

I never intended any reference to gays with the use of the word "Twinkie". I think I've defended and explained my meaning very well in that a Twinkie, as a pastry, connotes something very insubstantial.

It's obvious that a lot of people are filled with a lot of anger and use the forums to put that on display rather than actually engage in the give and take of ideas.

I regret I used the word "Twinkie" here because it was used as a foil and contributed to a crucifixion of something that never existed in the first place.

It's obvious the thread won't die on its own because what was started as a discussion of Edwards' apparent lack of spine has devolved into a semantic argument mainly about nothing.

Do GD-P a favor and lock it.

To all those that chose to hijack this thread, celebrate your Pyrrhic victory. You've succeeding in trashing DU just a little bit more.

[Bluebear]

233. Poor B&C. Oh well, people will still buy you stars & PM you for advice.

Because everybody else trashed DU a little more today, not you. :eyes:

[Bread and Circus]

234. No, really it's just a handful of morons that decided to pile on. But it's the usual gang of idiots.

[Bluebear]

238. "Mods please lock this thread" - - and you are telling EDWARDS to "be a man"? Hahahaha

[mac56]

258. Yeah, I caught that too.

Eye-ro-nee.

"Physician, heal thyself."

[Hoof Hearted]

265. But he's a way cool guy who went to school and he has hearts and everything!

Plus, he must be a REAL MAN right? Only a REAL MAN would have the moral authority to declare John Edwards lacking in real manliness.

Poor thing. It's sad when way cool real men who are totally smart cause they went to school and have hearts and stars get BULLIED by peons like us.

A travesty I say!

[readmoreoften]

272. You can buy yourself stars. That's my guess. /nt

[ClericJohnPreston]

241. Great analysis

Do you make your differential diagnoses in the same subjective and gratuitous manner?

The only idiot is the one who started the thread. Oh, thats you, of course.

[libbygurl]

268. Oops...nt

[ClericJohnPreston]

237. Nice try at RATIONALIZATION

For someone who came from San Francisco, to intimate that you don't know what that offensive word means is ludicrous.

Then to try to use the mods to run from cover from the deserved backlash, is pure cowardice.

Like H2O man and his divisive, putrid post before you, this should resonate so that your ilk thinks twice before you post pure GARBAGE!

[Bread and Circus]

244. I didn't say "I came from" San Franscisco. I said I went to school there...

is there anything else you folks want to twist and misrepresent?

[ClericJohnPreston]

254. And I only moved to New York from Pennsylvania

but I certainly knew the lingo and slang in only six months.

Med School is how many years for you to absorb the local culture?

[hell-bent]

240. "We need help!"

Is there a doctor in the house? Ha,ha,ha......

[libbygurl]

267. And you haven't contributed to trashing DU with this nasty post, either. nt

[readmoreoften]

273. Mods, please tombstone this clown. /nt

[readmoreoften]

280. Wow, you really are a victim of the horrible DU gay mafia aren't you?! Poor you!

Here's all the words you used to describe your poor, abused self:

misconstrue
derail
ad hominem attacks
piling-on
bullying
people are filled with a lot of anger
crucifixion
hijack


You've been misconstrued, derailed, piled on, attacked ad hominem (yes, actually, I am EXACTLY stating that your ideas are bad because they're yours. They're also not ideas or an actually argument. You're just ranting. So yes, people can attack you ad hominem), bullied by people FILLED WITH A LOT OF ANGER, crucified (oh the melodrama), and hijacked.

Poor you. Toughen up. What a twinkie you are. Act like a man, you ___________ . (what nice word fits...hmmmm)

[bullwinkle428]

292. Lock this thread? Don't worry, B&C...your ride has just arrived:

BWAH-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA!!!!!

[KitchenWitch]

236. Yeah, this is the time for this...

:eyes:

[AngryAmish]

243. !

[racaulk]

250. Welcome to ignore. What are you, 10 years old?

;)

Yeah, I'm right there with you. This has become a very ugly thread...and it started right at the top.

Please allow me to join you. :eyes:

[KitchenWitch]

251. Just turned 11

:eyes:

:D

[tammywammy]

245. You should be embarrassed. And this needs to be deleted

[Hoof Hearted]

266. Actually it should be required reading, so that everyone know who and what this poster is.

jmo

[Lugnut]

247. If John's endorsement isn't much of one

Why do you care enough to post this drivel. John doesn't have to endorse anybody. Even so most people I know have the ability to think for themselves regardless.

[Greylyn58]

269. Well stated!

I hope he doesn't endorse either candidate.

[rug]

252. Are you going to call Clinton "Cupcake" in your next thread?

[ClericJohnPreston]

256. Nah....

thats Cali, along with her other favorite food, "kumquat". I think she has a food fetish.....

[SoCalDem]

279. 26 delegates..

That said, I like JE, but I really think, deep down .. that Elizabeth's health was a major issue in his campaign..

that ..and the fact that the democratic party is not known for magnanimous treatment of people who run and lose.. they often get only one shot.. unlike the repubes who repeatedly run losers over and over until they either win, or drop dead

[ellisonz]

283. Now you've gone and done it...

[acmavm]

285. Posts like this are why this place have become comparable to wading

through a cess pool.

[kristopher]

290. You're projecting. The OP was OK, it was the slime machine that followed which is disgraceful.

Twisting things out of context, deliberately lying about the OP, inserting meanings that don't exist, name calling and cursing,...

In short, those criticizing the OP are displaying every vile characteristic I've come to loath when dealing with the Bushies.

[acmavm]

294. Whoa! Another ass with a feeling of superiority. There are just

so many of you nowdays it's hard to keep up with you.

[AX10]

291. This from an Obama supporter, no doubt.

:puke:

Or should I say: "Obambi".