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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 06:33 PM
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So tell me,..WHAT issues does Obama plan on changing or compromising?
How is he going to repay repugs for their vote? We see how Rethugs are beholden to the Christian Right and must curry to some of their issues...In all fairness...won't Obama also be beholding to Rethugs for helping him win this electron? Have you given this any consideration? :shrug:

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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 06:35 PM
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1. Bet you get no substantive answers, as usual.
NT
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 07:12 PM
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14. You are first on this thread.....and are predicting what will happen
based on what? Pray tell.

Just your negativity?
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 09:30 PM
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47. Well I got a couple of good answers, but I was hoping for a lot more. nt
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 06:37 PM
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2. He will be "repaying" the Republicans in the GE...
when the MSM steamrolls him and wins the Whitehouse for another term.
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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 06:37 PM
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3. I know a number of Repugs voting for him because they are sick over Bush & believe Obama is best
candidate to help America through the difficult times ahead.

In all fairness - WHAT does Hillary plan to do to pay back her big business cronies?
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aquarius dawning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 06:39 PM
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5. Bush won't be running in 2008 as far as I know.
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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 06:46 PM
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8. No - really? McCain is a damn fine carbon copy of Bush, and he has the R Nom.
McCain voted AGAINST forbidding the CIA to waterboard today.

McCain voted FOR retroactive telecomm immunity

McCain voted AGAINST oversight on warrentless wiretapping
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aquarius dawning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 07:04 PM
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11. He's no carbon copy of Bush. you're kidding yourself to support your convictions
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Cadwallader Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 07:06 PM
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12. so you're saying McGrandpa is the dawning of a new age?
He's not the 100 year war guy?

Who's kidding whom?
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Cadwallader Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 07:11 PM
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13. oh, and LOL
what a hackneyed and partisan take
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 08:22 PM
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32.  I really don't know what Hillary will do. However, Obama is running on CHANGE.
But he hasn't really told us how he is going to do that with so many Rethugs and Indies voting for him. Won't he owe them? Clinton is running on the issues and how she would change Health care etc where Obama is pushing change. He must have to compromise with those Rethugs to have all the unity he promises. I'm asking what and how he plans to do that. If he was just going to Washington for change...I wouldn't have asked the question. But he plans on compromising and I'd really like to know what he has in mind. I really think that's a sensible question to want answered...in fact I think we'd all like to know...wouldn't you?
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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 09:35 PM
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50. LOL!!! HRC is running on "issues" and Obama is running on change - HRC has voted WITH Bush on Iraq
Perhaps CHANGE is not only what progressive Dems want, but also what Repubs and Independents want?
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 10:35 PM
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53. Obama stresses or campaigns on CHANGE in general. Hillary discusses how she
how she will change each issues like health care, jobs and the economy. That's the difference. Do you know how he plans to change the SS issue and get Rethugs to vote for his plan? Seems to me...he's going to have to compromise...but how? That's what I want to know. With so many Rethugs supporting him we will have to include Rethug proposals...and I don't like any of their ideas. I'd personally like a president who will fight for Dem values. With a Dem president and a veto proof majority we shouldn't have to compromise on our issues.
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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 05:58 PM
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54. When has Hill fought for the dems? Seriously - dear gawd -she didn't vote against Mukasey or Roberts
She didn't vote against telecomm immunity

When has she stood firm against Bush in the Senate? When has she fought for dem values?

She is a corporatist - she believes in globalization, I don't know about you but the outsourcing of good American jobs is a problem for me.
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aquarius dawning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 06:38 PM
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4. he's gonna change the way we think about war
whatever the fuck that means.:eyes:
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 06:48 PM
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9. I believe he said no stupid wars. I can only imagine what he considers a smart war.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 06:40 PM
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6. I just love seeing you die-hard Hill loyalists posting baited "concern" questions.. then another
comes along and disses Obama supporters for not answering.. still baiting.. then when someone does try to engage you in discussion, that you have needled for and demanded, you lower the mousetrap on them. You know what? I don't give a flying flip about your concerns. I don't care if every innane and flamebait post you put up here goes unanswered and if NO ONE ever takes your bait again.

We have our nominee. We know what he stands for. We see the Big Picture of one America, one nation not divided into this ridiculous bickering and hate. One America restored to greatness in the world, one nation of millions restored to a full and functioning democracy.

I'm excited about that. My children and even grandchildren are excited about that. Join us. Or sit here and be bitter. Sit here and yell for crickets. The world will be turning the page while you chirp. Enjoy :-) :hi:
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aquarius dawning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 06:41 PM
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7. As opposed to just outright insulting the POS like ya'll do to our candidate?
:hi:
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 07:01 PM
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10. Obama has founded a new party...he is the head of the Remocrat Party.
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 07:14 PM
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15. He means he will fight for policies that benefit them
which I would hope any Democratic President would do, seeing as they are Americans.
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ArkySue Donating Member (647 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 07:45 PM
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16. I don't think he wants to fight....
He wants everyone to get along. Kumbaya.....blech.
i want someone who will sock the Publicans in the nose!
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 07:46 PM
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17. That may well be, but it's a turnoff for most of the public.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 08:59 PM
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39. Hi Arky Sue. You remind me of the good old days around here .
Sadly, days gone by. :hi:
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 07:48 PM
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18. No, you have it confused with the Clinton triangulation approach.
The Obama approach is to express progressive ideas in a way that appeals to independents. There's a big difference.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 09:08 PM
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40. Triangulation! Look who's talking!
Obama has based his whole campaign on triangulation! What do you call driving a wedge between blacks and peeling off Republicans and Indies?
Saying he won't impeach George bush* just to curry Rethug favor.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 09:11 PM
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41. No, Obama based his campaign on making progressive values appeal to independents.
Its what the Democratic Party should have been doing for a long time.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 07:55 PM
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21. Thanks for posting.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 08:52 PM
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38. Welcome Beaver.
Hope you post often...we can use help on this Obamaboard. :hi:
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 07:54 PM
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20. He's going to talk the opposition to death......n/t
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jmg257 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 08:14 PM
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26. Hitler was QUITE clear on what he was all about. So you plan to vote for those who offer no hope?
Good luck with that!
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jmg257 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 08:23 PM
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33. You state you can't trust what people say..."that what people say isn't always what they mean"
Edited on Wed Feb-13-08 08:24 PM by jmg257
How do you know who to believe then? DO you side with those who offer nothing just in case?
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jmg257 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 08:29 PM
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36. What the OP asked was "what he owes the rethugs". THEY voted for HIM, SO he just needs to
Edited on Wed Feb-13-08 08:34 PM by jmg257
keep to his platform - apparently THAT is why they voted for him, right?..They like what they see?

Well, that, OR they just DON'T like Hillary - we do see alot of that too.


WHY IS THERE A NEED TO "CHANGE OR COMPROMISE" to "repay repugs for their vote" IF IT IS WORKING AS IS??

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jmg257 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 09:34 PM
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48. Again, OP asked "What issues does Obama plan on changing or compromising" NONE - he DOES NOT HAVE 2
Edited on Wed Feb-13-08 09:34 PM by jmg257
HE OWES THEM NOTHING. They voted for him AS IS.

NO compromise or changing of his stances are necessary!
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jmg257 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 08:05 PM
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24. Wait - he OWES voters for voting for him? You mean he just has to keep true to his platform, right?
Edited on Wed Feb-13-08 08:07 PM by jmg257
Like ALL politicans are SUPPOSED to?

WOW! WHAT a novel idea!! CHANGE is gonna do you good!
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jmg257 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 08:21 PM
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30. And I am SURE Hillary will just leave us all the hell alone? NO more power? NO more
Edited on Wed Feb-13-08 08:27 PM by jmg257
control over us "weak-minded" individuals?

Pinch yourself. She is an elitist who THINKS she knows better then everyone else. She IS part of what is wrong in this country. Another politician who will do WHATEVER it takes, say WHATEVER it takes, to grab more power, have MORE government, have MORE control over we the people. She IS ready on day 1 to do just that. To use fear to control us, ALL at OUR expense.

Fuck that, we WANT change!

But hey, thanks for that condescension anyway!
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 09:19 PM
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43. What make you think you're so knowing on what she'll do and what she is?
All that criticism is just bullshit you made up in your own mind. Nothing but hateful comments...no substance! Time for a reality check.
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jmg257 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 09:37 PM
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51. Simple - I pay attention. Its really not that hard.
Edited on Wed Feb-13-08 09:37 PM by jmg257
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johnnydrama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 08:18 PM
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28. maybe
maybe he'll repay the Republicans that voted for him by taking up the reasons they voted for him.

Namely endless war, torture, illegal wiretapping, giving away money to the rich, tax breaks for oil companies.

Not all of the Bush voters believe in this crap.

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theaxe7 Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 08:22 PM
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31. he's going to bring people together, and everything will be magically solved!
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 09:21 PM
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44.  WelcomeTheaxe7
:hi:
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mckeown1128 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 09:14 PM
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42. You are going on my ignore list now...
I thought you might like to know. Your post is idiotic.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 09:29 PM
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46. Waaahh!
I'm on ignore because I ASK HOW Obama want to change! I can't believe you!
Everyone must be on your ignore list because I never post nasty hateful things about Obama. I asked a question that I've been wondering about daily. Enjoy DU and preaching to the choir. No intelligent conversations for you. Sheesh!
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 06:01 PM
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55. LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!1!!

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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 09:22 PM
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45. You wasted one of your three posts on this?
www.barackobama.com/issues

There really is no substitute for good old-fashioned reading.
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Sir Jeffrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 09:34 PM
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49. I'll attempt a rational response to this...
The best way to expand your coalition of support is to reframe issues in order to appeal to the average voter's better side. I will give you a simple example:

Bush circa 2000: "I support tax cuts because the tax revenue is not the government's money; its the people's money." Average voter says woo hoo I want a $300 rebate he has my vote.

Now, fast forward to Obama in 2008: "I will make health care affordable by giving you money to help pay your premiums and prevent insurance companies from excluding you because of a pre-existing condition". Same fucking voter says woo hoo I can now go to the doctor he has my vote.

Where is the selling out to Republican ideas in that example? A huge percentage of Republican voters vote against their economic interests. If we have a guy that can convince these people that they have been duped for the past 25 years by Reagan, Bush, Bush Jr. etc., why would he be beholden to these people? He is not advancing Christian Conservative ideas at all. He is not campaigning on a pro-life position. He is not campaigning on tax cuts and war. These people listen to what he has to say because he is inspiring. Once he has them inspired, they listen to his policy ideas or go read about them online.

Obama is rebranding our agenda in a way that appeals outside our traditional base. I simply do not understand why people think that this is a bad thing. It would definitely be nice to have a pound of flesh, but if it comes down to a choice between a pound of flesh and having health care for my daughter, I am going to choose health care every time. If it comes down to a choice between holding oversight hearings that accomplish little and ending the war, let's end the war.

Just food for thought.




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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 10:19 PM
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52. That was the first real explanation of Obama's platform. You deserve a blue ribbon.
I understand much of what you say. However...I just don't agree with some of your premises. It isn't a choice between Obama and getting health care. You can have even more coverage with Hillary's plan. Obama leaves out a lot of people. You can have health care with either party. That's a moot reason to vote for Obama.

With a Dem president and a Dem congress...I feel we can have oversight...which is necessary and also end the war. We shouldn't have all the amendments to bills which are so time consuming. Whoever is our next Dem president will have much less opposition than we have now and lots of our issues will be implanted. We're gonna do good :woohoo: providing we don't splinter our own party and I worry about that...no matter who is president.

Thanks for your very polite answer :) Other's could learn by your example and DU would be a pleasure again.
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