John Kerry on C-Span2 now!

[flpoljunkie]

Finally!

[MoonRiver]

1. GOT IT ON!! Thanks for the post!

[JI7]

2. FINALLY i hope they repeat entire thing later on

[TomSeaverr]

3. Talking about Bill Clinton now

I think its great he is going to use Clinton a lot

[wabeewoman]

26. Got an email from the Kerry campaign

today- a 'personal' letter from Bill Clinton encouraging supporting and donating to Kerry. Glad to see him involved!

[MoonRiver]

43. When Big Dog speaks, the folks listen!

:D:bounce::D

[Leilani]

44. I got the same one

glad to see Clinton's getting involved!

[MoonRiver]

4. Damn! Kerry sounds great!!!

JFK, our next POTUS!!! :toast::kick: :bounce: :kick::toast:

[JI7]

5. they LOVE HIM there ,

the people look really excited. seeing the shit bush has caused i'm sure they like the rest of the country are very much in need of a true leader who cares.

[MoonRiver]

6. Yes! The crowd's enthusiasm is incredible!!

Kerry!!!! Kerry!!!!!

[ccvirgo911]

19. GIVE 'EM HELL, KERRY!!!!

Great speech!! He got me excited and energized...can't WAIT for the debates. Was listening to the Shrub this morning before work, giving the same old tired speech, and contrasting that one with the one Kerry just gave..well there is NO comparison. Man, it has been such a long 3 years.

[MoonRiver]

23. Yes, it has been so horribly long.

Please, God, let it be over. Welcome to DU ccvirgo911! This is a great place!! :hi:

[ccvirgo911]

37. Thanks for the welcome

Truly appreciated. Wish I had more time to post but in the Shrub's economy I have to work extra shifts just to keep up. On spring break now so have some extra time.:toast:

[MoonRiver]

45. I know what you mean.

I come and go in spurts. But it helps to have this place to vent and read interesting stuff on when I get time.

[dolstein]

7. Another mediocre, long-winded speech courstey of Bob Shrum

Kerry desperately needs to get himself a new speech writer. Shrum's a hack.

[TomSeaverr]

8. WV should be Dem

it should never go to the repugs

[MoonRiver]

11. YEAH!!!!

Welcome to DU TomSeaverr!! You'll like it here! :hi:

[flpoljunkie]

9. Thanks for raining on the parade, as usual, Dolstein.

Your guy, "Mr. Excitement", lost. Get over it! The speech was fine. There is nothing Kerry could do that would merit your approval.

[dolstein]

14. A lousy speech is a lousy speech. Period.

Kerry's speech is larded down with hackneyed and painfully overused catch phrases that have been absolutely drained of any meaning.

Trust me, if John Edwards (who I voted for) had delivered this craptactular oration, I'd have slammed him too.

[flpoljunkie]

16. Edwards also gave the same "Two America"speech over and over and over!

Listen to the crowd. They love him! Several have assured him that he will win in West Virginia. They seem pretty damn enthusiastic to me!

[dolstein]

22. It's a Kerry rally -- of course they're enthusiastic

But would someone who hasn't already decided to vote for Kerry be moved by this speech? Doubt it. Fortunately, those people aren't likely to be watching C-Span. But they just might watch Kerry's convention speech, and I haven't seen anything that would indicate that Bob Shrum is capable of writing a memorable convention speech for Kerry.

[MoonRiver]

10. I liked it, A LOT. He speaks to the needs of the people, and his message

resonates.

[TomSeaverr]

12. I can't wait until

he debates Bush. Its going to be hillarious. He speaks with such authority

[MoonRiver]

15. It will be absolutely great!

Plus, after what happened to Gore he's learned that he can't back down and wimp out when the media whores try to discredit and smear him. He's got to come out with both barrels blasting! :D:kick:

[JI7]

13. sorry, but many people DO like his speeches

a man with knowledge and understanding of many issues unlike the chimp.

[dolstein]

17. Many people don't know any better

I've actually heard a few good speeches in my time. The kind of speech that can actually sway people. This one ain't it.

And what does Kerry's knowledge of the issues have to do with the quality of the speech he gave? If a smart person gives a crappy speech, it's still a crappy speech. Bill Clinton is one of the smartest politicians around, but he couldn't give a decent speech to save his live. The only thing memorable about Clinton's speeches were their excruciating length.

[TomSeaverr]

18. So what?

Clinton won two elections.

[dolstein]

25. Yes, with less than 50% of the vote

Kerry won't have that luxury.

[MoonRiver]

20. Do you actually think that *'s pathetic attempts at speeches come close

to competing with Kerry's speeches?

[dolstein]

29. Bush gave a brilliant speech at the 2000 convention

Of course, the credit should go to his speech writer.

The speech was flagrantly dishonest, but frighteningly effective. Personally, I'd have had a hard time making a convincing case that eight years of peace and prosperity was a squandered opportunity. But this case came very close. It was a far better speech than Gore's.

[MoonRiver]

35. It's an unpleasant thought, but you kinda sound like a bush* supporter.

Care to clear this up for me?

[dolstein]

41. You don't have to be a Bush supporter to acknowledge an effective speech

Sooner or later DU'ers need to develop the ability to remove their ideological blinders long enough to realize that not everyone who disagrees with them on a particular point is a political enemy.

If you bothered to read my post, you'd already know that I thought the speech Bush gave was flagrantly dishonest. That would be a sure tipoff to most rational people that I am not a Bush supporter. I certaintly didn't support Bush then, and I don't support him now. I have always voted Democratic in presidential elections, which is a lot more than many people around here can say. But because I refuse to quote chapter and verse from the little red book, I frequently get branded as a right winger.

I will vote for Kerry. I'll even contribute money to his campaign. But that doesn't mean I'll shower mediocre pedestrian speeches with undeserved praise. I am resigned to the fact that if Kerry wins, it will almost certainly be in spite of his skills as a candidate, not because of them.

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[JI7]

28. maybe it's a good thing

considering dolstein to be a big fan of lieberman but criticizing clinton's speeches. doesn't seem most people agree with her so her not liking kerry is actually good for kerry considering clinton won and he gives long detailed speeches also.

[JI7]

24. HAHAHHA, CLINTON SPEECHES KICKED ASS

you are the first i heard to say clinton can't give speeches. i have loved watching clinton give speeches ever since he got into office and i was about 13 when he first got into office.

[dolstein]

33. Fine, quote a single, complete sentence from one of his speeches

And "Don't stop thinking about tomorrow" doesn't count.

People can quote whole passages from Lincoln's speeches, FDR's, JFK's. Clinton didn't deliver a single memorable speech during his two terms in office. Presidential oratory reached an all-time low under Clinton.

Clinton was a great informal speaker. He could speak off the cuff on just about any policy topic. But he could never deliver a good speech.

[BootinUp]

40. Clinton is a great communicator

One of the best. Even when you disagree with his position, he can win you over.

[KC21304]

27. Edward's speeches were easy to listen to, but afterwards

you realized there was not much to them. And I like John Edwards. And you think Clinton never gave a decent speech ! I think most people would beg to differ.

[TomSeaverr]

30. Are you kidding

a Leiberman supporter blasting someone elses speeches. The guy puts me to sleep after two sentences.

[dolstein]

31. Next time you quote Josh Marshall, be kind enough to provide

a cite, ok?

Edwards managed to communicate about himself and his policies and fifteen minutes than Kerry could in an hour.

[JI7]

32. kerry talks about many more things than edwards did

[dolstein]

34. Kerry talks more, says less.

NT

[JI7]

36. not true

[KC21304]

39. I would not be able to cite all the people who said this about Edwards,

so why would I cite Josh Marshall ? Son of a millworker, first person to go to college, two America's. OOOOOKAAAAY. Like I said I like John Edwards, but I don't think he was ready for prime time,but that is my opinion and you are entitled to yours.

[MoonRiver]

38. I love how C-SPAN is keeping this going!

:bounce:

[JI7]

42. me too

it's one of my favorite parts of watching these campaign events.

[MoonRiver]

46. It's real life as opposed to the idiot bait, distracting fluff

we have to put up with on our 24 hour mainstream "news" stations.

[Leilani]

47. He had a terrific crowd

Lots of enthusiasm.

All the West Va. Dems turned out.

West Virginia is a Dem state, & Kerry must take it back this year!