Who's a better VP pick?

[ButterflyBlood]

Poll question: Who's a better VP pick?

the two most floated names, go.

[kayleybeth]

1. Clark

Hands down.

[Leilani]

7. Kayleybeth,

I love your photo of Wes!

I think that's 1 of the best I've seen.

[kayleybeth]

11. It's my favorite, too :-)

I have a larger version as my computer wallpaper. He sure is easy on the eyes isn't he? And his brilliance just makes him that much more handsome, IMO. I had the privelege of meeting him shortly after Christmas and he is even more impressive in person!

[Leilani]

60. Wow, that's terrific!

I really wish I had gotten to see him in person.

Unfortunatly, not many candidates come out here to the Islands.

[SeveneightyWhoa]

2. Two most floated names?

LOL, I have NOT ONCE heard Clark's name floated as a possible VP in the media.

Which is basically similar to the treatment he got as a Presidential candidate. So no surprises there.

[ButterflyBlood]

3. I'm talking about here

the media's still hung up on the McCain rumor, which will never happen.

[Kathleen04]

4. Hey, at least if he gets picked it'll be news!

Don't wanna be too predictable. :)

[kayleybeth]

5. You're right

but I think the poster meant the two most floated names here on DU. That's what I took it to mean anyway. I haven't heard the media mention Clark as a VP choice at all since it became clear Kerry would be the nominee. Seems they have put the General back on "ignore" for the most part.

[Jai4WKC08]

33. "NOT ONCE"??

You don't read much, do you?

He's been on almost every list I've seen.

[democratreformed]

34. My grandmother said she saw him mentioned on our local station along

with Blanche Lincoln (who, IMO, is NOT a good choice).

[cosmokramer]

43. Baloney.

He has been in print media and in network news as on the short list. Check CNN transcripts, MSNBC transcripts, Hardball transcripts, blah, blah, blah.

NYT, WP, LATimes...

...the list goes on and on.

[Bread and Circus]

66. Big fucking surprise! It's because the media is on direct order from the

WH not to mention Clark as a possible VP.

They know Chickenhawk Cheney won't look too damn good vs Clark.

IT's a fucking fix to keep Clark out.

[in_cog_ni_to]

6. No contest. Clark.

:loveya: If we really want to win in November, Wes is our man for VP. Think foreign policy/Iraq War......Wes is best.

[kayleybeth]

8. Yes!

Wes is best!

[Adelante]

22. Nice you have your pic linked, kayleybeth

I love that picture because his hair is free. I always like it like that. He says people are always making him fix it. :)

[DianeG5385]

9. Why do you think the "major media" don't mention him???

The Pubs are scared poopless of that potential combination. They are trying to make Clark disappear because he knows where all the bodies are buried!

[BootinUp]

10. DU Kiss of Death

Clark leading by a significant margin. :silly:

[ShaneGR]

16. No kidding, if a majority of DU'ers pick a candidate

That candidate is DOOMED!

[robbedvoter]

12. Another vote for Clark - not counted in - told me I voted already -

I feel like a Palm beach voter :-(

[Daisey Mae]

13. CLARK

Wes would be a great choice....

[Bombtrack]

14. Haven't both Clark and his wife said they don't want it?

I'm not talking about during his presidential campaign(which I supported by the way). But within the last couple of weeks. His wife the other day.

I don't think it would be prudent anyway. Kerry doesn't need anything that Clark mainly would bring as a vp candidate, and he needs things Clark doesn't CLEARLY have. Appeals/qualities he could potentially have, but nothing close to dependable compared to other vp candidates.

Graham, Edwards, Landriu, even McCain would all be better choices for Kerry's vp in my opinion

[BootinUp]

18. Neither of them are on the record saying he won't accept it.

There was scuttlebutt that Gert doesn't want him to run on the ticket for VP. Clark has only said that he wasn't interested in it, more a standard political anser than anything else. I think if Kerry said he needed him, Clark would do it.

[Adelante]

23. Gert denies that

Her neighbor told Kramer.

[BootinUp]

24. Thats nice to know

cause I'm starting to worry (a teensy bit) about Kerry going against these bastards without Wes.

[Leilani]

62. You're right.

They are constantly pounding Kerry on National Security, War on Terror, etc.

Aside from flip flops, that's all they have.

Kerry wins on domestic issues, hands down!

[Auntie Bush]

25. Thanks for that info

I hope your right! Now I will sleep better tonight!

[cosmokramer]

44. I spoke with ...

Gert and Wes friend and neighbor yesterday, asked her if what CNN reported as a 'rumor' was true, and she said absolutely NOT true. Gert never said anything of the sort. In fact, he will likely take whatever is offered to him--his commitment to service is unending, and if asked to serve, he will.

Also of note, she went on a 15 rant about how CNN treated the General in front of the camera AND behind the scenes.

[Leilani]

63. Hey, you're really connected!

Nice to get real info, & not trash from media.

[cosmokramer]

41. Gert said nothing of the sort.

I spoke with her best friend yesterday, and CNN reported a rumor that was a complete lie. In fact, Gert is on the record as saying he wouldn't turn down such an option.

[BootinUp]

52. nice to see you Kramer

:hi:

keep bringing us that inside info, it is very encouraging. :)

[ShaneGR]

15. These polls are meaningless...btw... Edwards

There has always been more Clark people on DU so the VP polls are skewed. The primaries showed Edwards was able to garner more support.

We already have foreign policy experience with Kerry anyways. In my opinion we need someone who can talk the talk on domestic issues.

It doesn't matter, I think he's going to pick a governor. Probably Warner out of Virginia.

[Bombtrack]

17. I agree about that. People are just mostly voting for who they supported

in the presidential primaries. That goes for Edwards supporters as well when polls are with all the potential vps

However Warner would be a dumb choice as VA is not a swingstate. It's safe red until polling shows otherwise

[leyton]

54. No, I supported Edwards and want Clark as VP.

Of course, near the end I decided I liked Kerry better anyway, but I always liked Edwards better than Clark. But I think Kerry/Clark is the better ticket, because Kerry's already strong on domestic policy and with Clark there's so much national security credibility.

[robbedvoter]

21. Poll was not started by a Clark supporter

Take it with the guy who put it on.
The poll also shows one thing: whoever supported Clark - still does.

[tameszu]

28. Warner would be a good pick

although he seems to have his hands full with the budget at the moment--his handling of this could be key.

I think Clark would be much ideally suited to Secy of State, but I'll take any decent cabinet level position...I also love the shadow cabinet idea...please Kerry, build it ASAP...

[citizen snips]

51. LoL!!!

I don't think this poll is skewed.

the exit polls do show that the voters want Edwards to be VP.

[onehandle]

19. Either Hillary, McCain, Bill Clinton, Al Gore...

..or the Easter Bunny.

Clark, of course.

[KittyWampus]

20. Captain America

[truebrit71]

26. Clark..2 Vets going up against to Chickenshits??

BRING IT ON!!!!!

[Teneha]

27. Either are great to me.

Won't have a problem supporting either.

[Name removed]

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[jsw_81]

30. LOL

[jsw_81]

31. Clark

For a variety of reasons. But in the end only Kerry's opinion will count, so I think this is a kind of silly discussion.

[MrSlayer]

32. As always....Wesley K. Clark.

[Layman]

35. Kerry Campaign Reading This?

Here's one Democrat that WILL NOT vote if Clark is on the ticket. Period. Full Stop. No matter how many push polls DU or any other website the Clarkies put up. You're military enough. We don't need a brown nosing megalomanic closet Repub on the ticket. Is that clear enough?

[in_cog_ni_to]

38. You better warn John Kerry

that he has sent out a "brown nosing megalomaniac, closet repub" to campaign for him. Damn, hurry up....send him an email and warn him about this man who has been traveling around the country on his behalf, trying to help him beat the damn republicans in November. Quickly!!! Warn John Kerry! :eyes:

[cosmokramer]

45. Wow, such strong words...

...and the Kerry campaign CLEARLY disagrees with you, as do party officials all over the country!

Which other has-ran is campaigning for John Kerry all over the country? Hmmmm...

Who of them have spoken on BEHALF OF JOHN KERRY?

For a guy you think is a republican megalomaniac, the Dem Party groups all over the country are ringing the phones off of the hook at JK Campaign HQ in Washington to GET General Clark to their events.

IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH?

[Crunchy Frog]

48. It's clear that he has stumbled onto

the truly diabolical conspiracy that Clark is involved in. I havn't quite figured it out myself, but I hope that our new friend will be able to explain it to us.:tinfoilhat:

[Crunchy Frog]

46. LOL

Very humorous post. Welcome to DU, which by the way, is not a site put up by Clarkies.:hi: Or maybe you really have stumbled upon our secret conspiracy.:7

[dpbrown]

36. Two soldiers is overkill

Makes the insecure military lovers and sycophanitic caterers to the supposed might of the mushy middle 5 million who could barely make up their mind between voting for Gore and voting for Bush last time happy, but two soldiers is wholely unrealistic, obnoxiously militaristic, and an invitation to the entire "peace" wing of the Democratic Party, as well as anyone who voted for another party in 2000 or is thinking of voting for another party in 2004 to look elsewhere for a candidate for President.

A vote for two soldiers on the Democratic Party ticket is a vote for Nader - and if a vote for Nader is a vote for Bush, then a vote for Clark as VP is a vote for Bush.

Dan Brown
Saint Paul, Minnesota

[democratreformed]

37. You have a point, IMO.

There would be some who are alienated by an all-military-type ticket. I wouldn't want to see those people alienated if at all possible.

As I have stated many times, I will trust the decision that is made by Kerry. I guess I'm not a cynical as some. (not saying that is a bad thing.)

[dogman]

39. We need overkill

Kerry is hardly military. I'll take that mushy middle any day. One vote taken from B*** is actually worth two in the total count. Those in the "peace" wing with half a brain and the ability to read know Clark is hardly militaristic. I hope my avatar doesn't send chills down your spine.

[dpbrown]

40. No, we need votes

The "left" is worth about 3 million votes, judging by what Nader took in 2000.

The "right" side of the Democratic vote is worth only about 5 million votes (use the 40/40/20 rule or the VNS exit polling results and get the same conclusion).

Going after former Bush votes is only worth about the same as going after the liberal base and securing the "peace wing."

Doubling up on the "right" side of the Democratic vote by running two soldiers is inviting the "left" side to go take a hike - and with Nader as an option, plenty might.

So rather than sending "chills" I think people ought to quit waving their war medals around like penis comparison contests and show a little common sense about how to win the next election.

But maybe people are too caught up in their lynch-mob fake "war on terror" mentality to use good judgment. Who knows.

[dogman]

58. And I'll take two for one.

One from B*** and one for Kerry is a move of two. It's the lynch the military mob that is fake. If the left is that paranoid about people who defend their rights and would rather lose them out right maybe they are lacking common sense and will become extinct. What's the penis hangup anyway?

[Leilani]

65. Thank you Dogman!

For defending Clark & the military.

There is a small but very vocal wing of the Dems who detest the military, & unfortunately the rest of the country does not agree with them.

I appreciate the service of every Vet to our country, & hold them in high regard!

[cosmokramer]

47. That doesn't make sense.

Kerry trails Bush precisely in the national security/foreign policy areas. Read the national polls. Clark helps that, and it does not isolate the 'peace wing' of the party--the peace wing of the party wants to WIN in November...they will not vote Nadar and risk another 4 years of the current Preznit. Except for you, of course.

[Crunchy Frog]

50. Please don't try to speak for everyone

who voted for Nader in 2000. I was one of those voters, and while I will support Kerry no matter who he picks as VP, he will only get my intense and highly enthusiastic support if he chooses Clark.

I think your post grossly mischaracterizes Clark and stereotypes him just because he is a career military man. Believe it or not, not all soldiers are goose stepping militarists. It also stereotypes people who voted Nader in 2000 and people who are in the supposed "peace wing" of the party, such as myself.

Do you really think that we would prefer say Edwards who supported and continues to support the Iraq invasion over someone like Clark who opposed it?

[dpbrown]

53. The "right" and the "left" of the Dem vote are nearly equal

The "left" is worth about 3 million votes, judging by what Nader took in 2000.

The "right" side of the Democratic vote is worth only about 5 million votes (use the 40/40/20 rule or the VNS exit polling results and get the same conclusion).

Going after former Bush votes is only worth about the same as going after the liberal base and securing the "peace wing."

Doubling up on the "right" side of the Democratic vote by running two soldiers is inviting the "left" side to go take a hike - and with Nader as an option, plenty might.

The macho "I'm a better enforcer on the war on terror than the chimp is" will fail if that's the only strategy. Doubling it by running two soldiers would make it worse, not better.

[Crunchy Frog]

55. Well, since I voted for Nader last time,

I am by your definition part of the "left" vote. I would enthusiastically support a Kerry/Clark ticket. I am aware of other Nader voters who feel the same way. Therefore, your conclusions about the so called "left vote" being turned off by Clark would seem to based on faulty premises.

As a further counter to your arguement, I am aware of a number of Clark supporters on this board who went over to the Kucinich camp as soon as Clark left the race. More very left leaning voters who had Clark as their preferred candidate. I myself am planning on caucusing for Kucinich in my state's caucuses in April.

In my opinion, Clark is a strong pick precisely because he has an ability to appeal to lots of people accross a very wide range of the political spectrum. In short, he can attract more conservative voters without turning off liberals, except for the small number who have an automatic knee jerk reaction to anyone associated with the military. I believe that this would be only a small fraction of liberals because liberalism is generally associated with open mindedness.

I believe that the "peace wing" might in fact be strongly attracted to a man who strongly and unequivecably opposed the Iraq invasion, and who opposes the Bush doctrine of unilateral preemptive warfare.

I do not at all like this knee jerk stereotyping, either of military people, or of left/liberal voters.

[dogman]

59. I am the left

I don't have a problem with two veterans who understand the world we live in and offer alternatives to the chimp. You, like the chimp, want to equate the war on terror to the war in Iraq. To different things, one is defense, one is offense. These men get it. The chimp and many others don't.

[cosmokramer]

42. Clark. Clark. Clark.

And I won't be redundant and re-list the reasons.

[citizen snips]

49. The VP wars continue.

My vote goes to Edwards.




http://www.draftkerryedwards.com/

[Zynx]

56. I agree.

Or Kerry/Breaux even though Breaux is a tad conservative for my taste.

[Skip Intro]

57. Voted Clark, but leaning more toward Max Cleland

He'll offset the "weak on defense" crap from the awol coward and his oil pig vp, he'll help bigtime in the south (my area), and there'd definitely be a further invigoration of the Dem party - revenge for the slimy puke tactics in Ga.

Imagine bush/cheney/rove trying to slam as weak on defense or support for troops a man who left three of his limbs on the battlefield defending this nation.

Yep, I say Kerry/Cleland.

Wish you'd re-do this poll with Cleland added. (I would, but I won't have my star back until I start working again).

[Algorem]

61. Clark would be soooooooo good against other-priori-dick.

[Sparkly]

64. Absolutely.

I was screaming at my car radio listening to Dick "Head" Cheney's speech today, and couldn't help thinking how much I'd love to see that contest.

[cosmokramer]

67. NOT Edwards

""""In light of Edwards' repeated vows he won't make a bid to retain his Senate seat, some analysts believe he is pinning his hopes on a vice presidency under John Kerry, the Washington Times reports.

Brad Crone, a Democratic consultant in Raleigh, said he doubts, however, Kerry will pick Edwards for his vice presidential nominee because, among other reasons, "I don't think he can win (North Carolina) for Kerry."

"He's running for attorney general more than he's running for vice-president," Crone said."""

[Undercover Agent]

68. Clark.

[windansea]

69. Phonetically speaking

Kerry/Clark has a nice crisp sound to it