To address the recent Drudge photo...

[1awake]

I think we all need to take a step back and wait. Hillary is not going to flat out deny something one of her staffer's might have done without her knowing, so of course she is not going to deny it right away. At least wait till later today/this evening to see how things develop before painting her with such a large and harsh brush.

If she did do it, thats one thing.. but if she didn't, then all of this is about nothing and only makes us look bad. I think the worse case scenario would be if some of her staffers did this without her knowing.. that would hurt her regardless, and for reasons for which she wouldn't deserve.

so for now.. lets just wait and see guys.. ok?




-and yes, as a Obama supporter this does upset me, but use your head and use some patience.

[dkf]

1. Well if so, she could say the campaign didn't authorize it

and any staffer who did this will be fired.

Simple enough.

[1awake]

2. She's not going to assume guilt for people

in her campaign until she checks things out.. IF thats what happened. Thats all I'm saying.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

3. What's Wrong With The Photo? What Offends You About It?

It's just a photo of him in traditional garb during his visit. Why are you so outraged?

[1awake]

5. Who said I was outraged?

Nothing is wrong with the photo.. but if what .. drudge posted is true, its intended use would upset me. Taking something innocent and twisting it for potential political gain.. yea, that would bother me some. But my point in this thread was, we DO NOT KNOW what the truth is, so people need to hold off until we do.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

9. You Said You're Upset By It. Why? It's Just An Innocent Photo.

Obama's side has created the intent by acting like there is something wrong in the photo that requires defense or is offensive somehow. It's just a benign photo, ya know?

This was a test for Obama in my opinion. I think he failed it. Hillary's response shows exactly why he failed it. He shouldn't have gone on the attack. Instead, he should've come forward in the same way she just now did, and said "why is this a story? Who cares. It's just the local garb and I'm proud of their culture" etc. He fell into a trap, whether it was intentionally set or not. He loses this round.

[1awake]

11. maybe what you say is true, maybe it isn't,

but either way it has little to due with the intent of this thread. I didn't make this to form some kind of a whipping board for both sides to argue.. there are half a dozen other threads already like that. All I want is for people to be alittle more logical before allowing passions to fly in the face of reason is all. Your input though is appreciated.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

12. You're Right.

:)

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

14. Great distraction tactic hillary, see below

Don't Look at How Badly Hillary's campaign is sinking

look at this instead:

There have been 12 duplicate threads posted about the Clinton campaign circulating a photo of Obama in "muslim" garb
6 duplicates trying to defend Hillary Clinton for this, and 6 duplicates condemning this smear campaign.

Absolutely NO PROOF anyone from Clinton camp connected in anyway to 'the photo' Mon Feb-25-08 11:02 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4758267&mesg_id=4758267

There's NO proof the Clinton campaign approved of the Drudge pic. So, he's a legitimate source now?? Mon Feb-25-08 11:18 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4758517

*WHY* is it a "smear photo"? Mon Feb-25-08 11:30 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4758733&mesg_id=4758733

To address the recent Drudge photo...Mon Feb-25-08 11:49 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4759060

Hillary doesn't mind pictures of her in traditional clothing being published. Why is Obama so upset? Mon Feb-25-08 11:26 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4758646

RETHUGS sent the Photo! Mon Feb-25-08 11:57 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4759207&mesg_id=4759207

rebuttal

Politico: Obama slams smear photo Mon Feb-25-08 10:11 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4757652&mesg_id=4757652

The Clinton goes ON RECORD re: PHOTO SMEAR and DOES NOT DENY, just change subject Mon Feb-25-08 11:18 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4758523&mesg_id=4758523

in addition to being a low political move, distributing that photo would be an offense to muslims Mon Feb-25-08 11:37 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4758867

Hillary's use of Islamophobia against Obama, will hurt our Democratic candidate for Congress Mon Feb-25-08 11:21 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4758564

As long as Clinton supporters can blame Drudge the HRC camp will never be called on race baiting Mon Feb-25-08 10:10 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4757636&mesg_id=4757636

Why is there so much spectulation as to where the photo came from? Mon Feb-25-08 11:41 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4758939

People should be worried to hear of the connections between the Clinton and McCain campaign advisors, or the fact that Obama has won 25 contests, Hillary only 11. This cute distraction seems to be working.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

16. Obama's Camp/Supporters Are Making It A Distraction.

It could've been a non story if he had responded with the brilliance that her campaign had.

[1awake]

17. OMG enough... n/t

[Arkansas Granny]

4. Your reasonable approach to this issue is much appreciated.

:hi:

[Araxen]

6. Drudge will post anything that will get him website hits

It doesn't matter who it is.

[1awake]

7. That may be so

but it isn't changing how people are reacting to it.

[maddiejoan]

8. Exactly

and why is everyone (including Obama's campaign) buying into DRUDGE's framing of the story?

Imagine you send me a pic of Hillary Clinton in her pajamas. She's wearing curlers in her hair and looks like hell, she's even kicking the cat out of her way!

I respond to your e-mail --"Wow. The Times would love to get a hold of THAT picture!"

I have now 'circulated' a bad pic of Hillary Clinton.

Who the hell knows what happened? How did a Drudge Reporter get a Clinton staffer e-mail?

What was wrong with the Clinton staffer's response to the e-mail?

What IS a Clinton 'staffer'?

[kennetha]

10. I really don't understand

This is a photo that Obama had taken of clothes he actually wore on a visit as a Senator to another country. He clearly did it to show respect for his hosts. Politicians do that all the time. Exactly how is this suppoed to be a "smear" photo? Why is the Obama campaign and Obama' supporters reacting like this is a Willie Horton lite moment? I don't even see why the Obama campaigned dignified this with any response. And I can't see how it speaks well of them that they did. It makes them look utterly defensive and somewhat shell-shocked by the recent barrage of incoming. It's as if they've had mortars aimed at them for the last week and they lash out violently at a feather floating by, thinking it must have a bomb somewhere in there.

Kinda sad what they've been reduced to.

[1awake]

13. enouigh of the talking points pls..

this thread has nothing to due with getting people to attack one another. I support Obama and I'm trying to defend Hillary over something I see as weak / unresolved.. that doesn't mean I want people to attack the opposite way either. ;)

[1awake]

15. You know what...

and I'll probably be attacked for this... just about every time I look at the GDP forum and all the threads posted there.. It makes me sick to my stomach how vicious / close minded / arrogant SOME of the Obama supporters are that share my side. Christ.. I feel more at home talking to the Hillary people than my own fellow supporters most of the time. is it me or what??

(yea, this goes against what I wrote earlier about wanting to stick on subject but.. Jeez.. it just kinda overwhelmed me there for a time)

[JohnnyLib2]

18. Thank you for being reasonable. 'Tis a rarity these days.

:thumbsup: