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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:01 PM
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Hillary campaign: Is Obama good for the Jews?
Here is the other shoe being dropped by the Clinton campaign:

Good for the Jews?

Hillary Clinton's surrogates are questioning Obama's commitment to U.S.-Israel relations.

By Michael Hirsh and Dan Ephron | NEWSWEEK
Mar 3, 2008 Issue


The comment seemed like a casual aside. Ann Lewis, a senior adviser to Hillary Clinton, was touting the New York senator's strong support for Israel during a conference call in January with leaders of major American Jewish organizations. During the call, Lewis energetically contrasted Clinton's pro-Israel credentials with those of Barack Obama. To make her point, she said that Obama's "chief foreign-policy adviser" is Zbigniew Brzezinski, says one participant who would talk about the call only if he were not identified.

Brzezinski—the former national-security adviser to Jimmy Carter—is not Obama's "chief foreign-policy adviser." That is the job of a triumvirate who once worked for Bill Clinton: Anthony Lake, Susan Rice and Greg Craig. But Brzezinski, who tells NEWSWEEK he has advised Obama "only on occasion," has a reputation that is close to toxic in the American Jewish community. "When Brzezinski's name appears on an advisory list, that's a red flag right away," says an influential American Jewish leader who did not want to sour relations with the Obama campaign. Many American Jews mistrust Brzezinski because he endorsed a 2006 article, later a book, called "The Israel Lobby," which blames many U.S. foreign-policy problems on Washington's ties to Israel.

Lewis's aside is not an isolated incident. (She did not respond to a request for comment.) As the race between Clinton and Obama has sharpened in recent months, other Clinton campaign operatives have sent around negative material about Obama's relations with Israel, according to e-mails obtained by NEWSWEEK. In addition to Brzezinski, the e-mails attack Obama advisers such as Rob Malley, a former Clinton negotiator at the 2000 Camp David talks who has since written articles sympathetic to the Palestinian point of view, and they raise questions about Obama's relationship with the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, the former pastor at Obama's Trinity Church in Chicago. Wright has criticized Israel, and Trumpet, a publication run by his daughter, gave an award for "greatness" to Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan, who once called Judaism a "bloodsucking religion." (Obama disagreed with bestowing the award.)

Aides to Obama say they have little evidence of an organized Clinton plan to turn Jewish voters away from him. (Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson says he has no comment.) Some members of the Jewish community say the e-mails began with Christian evangelicals who are supportive of Israel. Regardless, one senior Obama adviser, who would talk only anonymously because the campaign's response involved internal discussions, says the timing is suspicious: "There's an increased number of these attack e-mails going around in direct correlation to Barack's strength in the primaries and caucuses." (He has beaten her among Jewish voters in California, Connecticut and Massachusetts; she's won in New York, New Jersey and Maryland.)

http://www.newsweek.com/id/114723
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iconoclastic cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:17 PM
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1. Speechless. nt
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:20 PM
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2. He's perfect for this Jew
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:25 PM
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5. Hillary is a lot closer to the views of that crazy Avigdor Lieberman
than she is to the mainstream in the American Jewish community.
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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 10:53 AM
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52. Who are these Hillary Clinton surrogates?
Does that mean the supporters of Clinton like you and I can make statements about the Jewish community and the bloggers will take it as the gospel? Just curious.
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:27 PM
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6. This one too
And I have a big problem with things like this. If she wants to attack him on issues of concern to Democratic primary voters, fine. But planting these kind of suspicions are going to create problems for Obama with Jewish voters in the fall. It seems stupid, but I went to high school with people who lean Democrat but run the other way at even the suggestion of less-than-stellar support for Israel.

I am not calling for Clinton to drop out of the race like some Obama supporters, and I think those calls are premature and insulting to her supporters. But she really needs to be careful not to do anything that will jeopardize his chances of beating John McCain in the fall.
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:29 PM
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7. And this Jew.

In fact, I'd even say he ws a mensch! :hi:

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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:32 PM
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10. Yep, Obama is a mensch!
A righteous person!
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Meshuga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 09:14 AM
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47. And perfect for this one here. n/t
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:22 PM
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3. shes a DU poster, she must be one...
she fits in too perfectly
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:25 PM
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4. Unreal
:thumbsdown:
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:30 PM
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8. Way to stay positive! n/t
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HeraldSquare212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:32 PM
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9. More of the same.
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elixir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:34 PM
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11. An unidentified source to a remote statement that doesn't say anything. Good job.
:yoiks:
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:36 PM
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13. Ann Lewis is one source
and there are the emails from the Clinton campaign.
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elixir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 01:43 PM
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21. The source who referenced Ann Lewis' statement was undisclosed. Hmmmm.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 03:16 PM
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27. Politico reported other Clinton staffers emailing it last week
Here is a counter sent to me by a relative who did get the smears - someone in the list that sent it to him replied all with this web site set up within the Jewish community.

http://njdc.typepad.com/stopthesmears/
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BringBigDogBack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:35 PM
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12. kicking
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:38 PM
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14. All of a sudden I feel a little billious. When will this stop.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:42 PM
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15. It will stop when we pry open Hillary's dead, cold fingers...
Since it is mathematically improbable for Hillary to catch up to Obama in number of delegates, I believe her when she says she is going to take the fight to Denver.
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:46 PM
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16. More proof this isn't about what's the best for this country
but what's best for Hillary.

dg
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:47 PM
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17. You don't have to be Jewish to love Levy's
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:49 PM
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18. Read this line from the story if you read no other:
"Aides to Obama say they have little evidence of an organized Clinton plan to turn Jewish voters away from him."

And so, the Newsweek story is nothing more than a Drudge-level smear.
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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 01:20 PM
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20. it's not a "Clinton plan", it's a ~Neocon~ plan...
I think they've attached themselves to her campaign, and are running their own agenda.

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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 02:03 PM
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22. The Clintons' neoliberal faction is the flip side of the Bushes' neocon coin
and they both lead to death, destruction, and oppression.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:56 PM
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19. Wow. This attack was better planned than I thought.
Though no less despicable.

This an historic meltdown. Goodbye chances of ever running again.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 02:07 PM
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23. Campaign Clinton is in complete Meltdown. This is her Banzai Charge.
Isn't it obvious to all that they're throwing everything they have?

The photo with the Muslim implication (it's Kenya, by the way, not Somalia).

The rants she has been making.

The slime about Obama and Jewish interests, as noted here.

She thinks she's firing all her cannons, and she is. But she's firing into her own vessel, and it's going down faster than it would otherwise. The good ship Hillary is sinking fast, and she's only taking it down faster and worse than it would otherwise.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 02:26 PM
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24. I expect her rightwing friends at AIPAC will come to her rescue, just as they did
with Joe Lieberman against Ned Lamont.

Obama's advisors have good ties to the Israel peace movement. Hillary's ties are with Rabin's enemies.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 03:36 PM
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28. Oh, she's definitely leaning on her AIPAC/Likud connections now.
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Infinite Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 02:56 PM
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25. We don't need to blindly support Israel anymore. n/t
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 03:11 PM
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26. Nice Jewish website fighting these smears - that at the time seemed to come from the right
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 05:55 PM
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29. Excellent post, and a most welcome link
Even ADL's Abe Foxman is onboard decrying the smear campaign against Democratic candidates.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 05:56 PM
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30. I like Obama even more now.
Edited on Mon Feb-25-08 05:57 PM by anonymous171
If this is true, then great. The less America has to do with Israel and the pro-israel lobby (PNAC and other neocons) the better. GOBAMA!
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MagsDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 06:26 AM
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38. That truth will play great in the GE
I just can't wait until the black guy with a muslim ethnic background comes out against the pro-israel lobby. Way to get those folks to vote for McCain, the muslim slayer.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 05:58 PM
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31. Unbelievable....
...just unbelievable that she would feel the desperation that she would stoop to do anything this unethical.

JMHO
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 05:58 PM
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32. This Jew now likes Obama even more. n/t
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Meshuga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 09:13 AM
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45. Same with this jew here. :-) n/t
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Georgie_92 Donating Member (313 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 06:00 PM
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33. Unbelievable
:-(
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 06:06 AM
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36. Welcome to DU
:hi: Yes Unbelievable is right!
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 05:34 AM
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34. "Jews" does NOT equal "AIPAC"
And yes, both candidates are pretty good shills for AIPAC.
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CarbonDate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 09:23 AM
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48. Perhaps, but don't tell AIPAC that.
As far as they're concerned, the two are synonymous. Personally, I don't think bombing Iran is good for Jews, but some folks in the right wing disagree.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 05:52 AM
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35. I posted not two days ago Hillary's goons would go after Zbig for the Camp David Accord.
Edited on Tue Feb-26-08 05:53 AM by TexasObserver
Predictable. The HillBills aren't happy destroying their relationship with blacks. Now they're going to ruin their relatonship with Jews in the party. Not all Jews are Likudniks. In fact, most Americans Jews are not. Anyone who thinks Democratic Jews are Benjamin Netanyahu clones don't know Democratic Jews. Another dumb, divisive move by the worse campaign in modern history.

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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 09:05 AM
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43. The hit peace attacks some of the best Jewish groups
Peace Now and Brit Tzedek v'Shalom (http://www.btvshalom.org/)

I agree with you that if the Clintons are seen to be behind this it will hurt them in the Jewish population. I actually got a forward to the email by a Republican relative, who voted for Kerry in 2008, because he was disgusted by it - he also sent a link countering it sent by a friend who also received it. His opinion of the Clintons is extremely low - so I didn't mention that there were accounts they were sending it out. (He is a likely McCain vote - and a certain one against HRC)

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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 10:57 AM
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54. The Camp David Accord was a good thing for Israel and Egypt, it has kept the peace
Former General Zini is one of Obama's key advisors on the Middle East. Zini was Bill Clinton's point man on the peace process. A President Obama will bring a breadth of fresh air to a peace process that has been in stasis since Bush took power in 2001.
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MagsDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 06:23 AM
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37. God forbid anyone speak the truth about Obama
We all know that's just not done.
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 07:30 AM
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41. God forbid anyone speak the truth about Obama? LOL
The mean vindictive lies coming out of the Clinton camp have done so much to undermine any good will she had.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 08:55 AM
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42. A significant portion of the Jewish community is offended by this
It is lucky for HRC that most think is coming from the right. My NJ Jewish paper has had 2 major editorials prominently placed in the paper on these attacks. The first spoke of the letter signed by every Jewish Democratic Senator except Leiberman and Schumer (who should be ashamed of themselves for not signing. The second was on this Lasky piece - rightly calling them on right wing bias.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 07:27 AM
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39. It's really getting pathetic now, isn't it?
I mean, in the sense that one starts to pity Clinton
for having fallen so far, from "Inevitable" to hurler
of "Anti-Semite!!!!!"

Well, maybe the good news is that this is the last the
Democratic Party will hear of the Clintons. But I
wouldn't count on it...

Tesha
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 07:28 AM
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40. The question is ..
... are the Israelis good for us? The answer is pretty clear.
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Meshuga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 09:12 AM
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44. This affiliated Jew here only gets turned off by the smear
by the Clinton campaign. This kind of crap only makes me more glad that I voted for Obama in Maryland.
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jakem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 09:14 AM
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46. As a jew-

the H campaign can bite my ass.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 10:48 AM
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49. I don't know why...
but every time I read about a Clinton email/smear mail campaign I think of this guy....

Clintons' InfoUSA Ties Scrutinized
by Peter Overby
Last year, New York Sen. Hillary Clinton took the unusual step of renting out some of her lists. The transaction once again highlights the Clintons' connections to a businessman who now faces questions from the Securities and Exchange Commission.
*Reports from Clinton's campaign show that on Dec. 3, it collected payment for renting out three mailing lists, the sale of which netted them $8,225.It was an unusual transaction, according to Roger Craver, a liberal guru of the political direct-mail industry.

*According to one direct-mail professional, $800,000 would have seemed like a more plausible price for a quality list...
Vin Gupta has a long history of giving and raising campaign money for the Clintons, and gave $1 million for the 2000 Millennium Celebration, a New Year's Party thrown by the Clintons.
*After the Clintons left the White House, Gupta hired Bill Clinton as a consultant. It's one of two continuing business relationships he has had since leaving office, and it has been worth $3.3 million, in addition to the options on 100,000 shares of stock.
*The corporate spending on behalf of the Clintons helped fuel a shareholder lawsuit against Gupta and 10 corporate directors.
*There are plenty of other allegations in the suit about homes, cars, and a yacht for Gupta. A Delaware chancery court judge dismissed some of the allegations involving the Clintons. But the case is still proceeding. It has led to an informal inquiry by the Securities and Exchange Commission, which is also asking if Gupta misspent corporate funds.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=18958566


Clinton Backer’s Ties to Powerful Cut Both Ways
Mr. Gupta, who arrived in Nebraska from India in 1967, was unusually successful in working his way into the Democratic fold, to the point where he found himself sleeping in the Clinton White House, vacationing with the former president and appointing the Democratic chairman, Terry McAuliffe, to the board of one of his companies. He gave consulting contracts worth $3 million to Mr. Clinton, and recently hired the son of Speaker Nancy Pelosi. Because of those close links with Democrats, he stirred conflict-of-interest questions by buying a company that does presidential polling for CNN.
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*Some of the benefits to Mr. Gupta are tangible. The Democrats paid infoUSA $5 million over the last six years for computer consulting and data services (the Republicans paid it $6 million for data), and the company was granted the rights to resell lists of donors to the Democratic Party, as well as to Mrs. Clinton’s Senate campaign, Mr. Clinton’s presidential library and the Clintons’ legal defense fund.
Other benefits are harder to quantify. Mr. Gupta estimates that just being seen with Mr. Clinton, and paying him to speak at company events, has yielded millions of dollars in new business. Testifying in civil suits involving his businesses, Mr. Gupta has impressed juries with tales of how the former president has nominated him for diplomatic posts, appointed him to the board of the Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts in Washington and accompanied him to India, trial transcripts show.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/14/us/politics/14gupta.html?pagewanted=1&_r=2


Bilking the Elderly, With a Corporate Assist
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/20/business/20tele.html?

Richard Guthrie, 92, was tricked into giving banking data to telephone callers, who then stole money from his account, investigators say.
By CHARLES DUHIGG
*InfoUSA advertised lists of “Elderly Opportunity Seekers,” 3.3 million older people “looking for ways to make money,” and “Suffering Seniors,” 4.7 million people with cancer or Alzheimer’s disease. “Oldies but Goodies” contained 500,000 gamblers over 55 years old, for 8.5 cents apiece. One list said: “These people are gullible. They want to believe that their luck can change.
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Many of the victims are people like Mr. Guthrie, whose name was among the millions that infoUSA sold to companies under investigation for fraud, according to regulators. Scam artists stole more than $100,000 from Mr. Guthrie, his family says. How they took much of it is unclear, because Mr. Guthrie’s memory is faulty and many financial records are incomplete.
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The list brokering industry has existed for decades, primarily serving legitimate customers like magazine and catalog companies. InfoUSA, one of the nation’s largest list brokers and a publicly held company, matches buyers and sellers of data. The company maintains records on 210 million Americans, according to its Web site. In 2006, it collected more than $430 million from clients like Reader’s Digest, Publishers Clearinghouse and Condé Nast.
But infoUSA has also helped sell lists to companies that were under investigation or had been prosecuted for fraud, according to records collected by the Iowa attorney general. Those records stemmed from a now completed investigation of a suspected telemarketing criminal.
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Records also indicate that infoUSA sold thousands of other elderly Americans’ names to Windfall Investments after the F.B.I. had accused the company in 2002 of stealing $600,000 from a California woman.
Between 2001 and 2004, infoUSA also sold lists to World Marketing Service, a company that a judge shut down in 2003 for running a lottery scam; to Atlas Marketing, which a court closed in 2006 for selling $86 million of bogus business opportunities; and to Emerald Marketing Enterprises, a Canadian firm that was investigated multiple times but never charged with wrongdoing.



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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 10:49 AM
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50. Ask Ben david
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 11:23 AM
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56. You've got to be kidding...
that poster would bash Obama for jay-walking if he could.
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jasmine621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 10:52 AM
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51. Has anyone reported on Obama and AIPAC?
I think they love him.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 11:03 AM
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55. Obama is not the one that told AIPAC last year that all options are on the table with Iran,
Edited on Tue Feb-26-08 11:04 AM by IndianaGreen
including first use of nuclear weapons. Hillary committed herself to genocide when she put nuclear first strike on the table.

Obama believes that Israel has the right to exist, but he also recognizes the rights of Palestinians to self-determination and freedom from foreign domination. Obama's upbringing makes him more attuned to the suffering of others that have been generally ignored by American politicians because they are not part of the Judeo-Christian construct.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 10:56 AM
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53. Won't work with this Jew, I am for Barrack all the way /nt
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