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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:32 PM
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It doesn't matter if Clinton's campagn is responsible for the photo; they're being blamed anyway.
Edited on Mon Feb-25-08 12:39 PM by sparosnare
IF the Clinton campaign is not to blame for the photo and the garbage commentary accompanying it, they should unequivocally step up and say so. Furthermore, they should publicly denounce the tactic as fear-mongering and defend their fellow Democrat.

If they passively sit back and don't do this, then they are willing accomplices.

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Big Blue Marble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:33 PM
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1. Do you have any doubt that they did it? n/t
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:34 PM
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3. I honestly don't know who did it.
That's why they need to step up now, otherwise they will continue to be blamed for it.
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Big Blue Marble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:41 PM
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5. Drudge is saying that they did.
Edited on Mon Feb-25-08 12:41 PM by Big Blue Marble
I do not think he would make this charge if he did not have the email to prove it.
Plus they are not denying it. They can't admit it and won't deny it.

Someone will come forward with an email soon.
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:44 PM
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7. It's Drudge....
he makes all kinds of accusations with no evidence.
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Big Blue Marble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:51 PM
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15. I bet this time he has the evidence
and is just waiting to see what they say. He is no fan
of the Clintons, we all know that. He would love to catch them in a lie.
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Metric System Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:46 PM
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9. Is this the same Drudge that claimed Kerry and Edwards had girlfriends on the side? AND if there is
a working relationship between Sludge and Clinton, as some here suggest, then why would he out the Clinton camp as the source?
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 01:08 PM
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30. Kerry denied that story, you know.
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maximusveritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:48 PM
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13. Did you see their responses?
Here was their initial response:

"If Barack Obama's campaign wants to suggest that a photo of him wearing traditional Somali clothing is divisive, they should be ashamed. Hillary Clinton has worn the traditional clothing of countries she has visited and had those photos published widely."

They're defending their actions in a disgusting manner.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 01:22 PM
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38. DUPE thread. We are getting up past 20 on this same topic
I stopped counting prior to 12:00 today. Here are at least 12 of the same threads, meant
to distract from Clinton's huge losing streak, campaign finances, and meltdowns.

Absolutely NO PROOF anyone from Clinton camp connected in anyway to 'the photo' Mon Feb-25-08 11:02 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4758267&mesg_id=4758267

There's NO proof the Clinton campaign approved of the Drudge pic. So, he's a legitimate source now?? Mon Feb-25-08 11:18 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4758517

*WHY* is it a "smear photo"? Mon Feb-25-08 11:30 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4758733&mesg_id=4758733

To address the recent Drudge photo...Mon Feb-25-08 11:49 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4759060

Hillary doesn't mind pictures of her in traditional clothing being published. Why is Obama so upset? Mon Feb-25-08 11:26 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4758646

RETHUGS sent the Photo! Mon Feb-25-08 11:57 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4759207&mesg_id=4759207

rebuttal

Politico: Obama slams smear photo Mon Feb-25-08 10:11 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4757652&mesg_id=4757652

The Clinton goes ON RECORD re: PHOTO SMEAR and DOES NOT DENY, just change subject Mon Feb-25-08 11:18 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4758523&mesg_id=4758523

in addition to being a low political move, distributing that photo would be an offense to muslims Mon Feb-25-08 11:37 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4758867

Hillary's use of Islamophobia against Obama, will hurt our Democratic candidate for Congress Mon Feb-25-08 11:21 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4758564

As long as Clinton supporters can blame Drudge the HRC camp will never be called on race baiting Mon Feb-25-08 10:10 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4757636&mesg_id=4757636

Why is there so much spectulation as to where the photo came from? Mon Feb-25-08 11:41 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4758939

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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:34 PM
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2. The photo went out to 3 million on 2/7 via GOP MEDIA- so Obama's now upset?
Edited on Mon Feb-25-08 12:37 PM by papau
Here is a link to a conservative blog that contains a photo of the page from the February 4th 2008 National Enquirer smear story about Barack Obama that contained the picture of him in traditional African garb:

http://sweetness-light.com/archive/obama-wore-muslim-ge...

The story was titled:

"Obama's Shocking Al Qaeda Link"

Here are the circulation figures that the National Enquirer releases about their rag:

"Place a classified ad in the National Enquirer. This weekly tabloid has excellent circulation at 2,760,000. Ad is placed in the classified area of the magazine under the appropriate category. Certain restrictions apply, and ads must meet the approval requirements of the National Enquirer. Circulation: 2,760,000."

http://www.nationwideadvertising.com/naten.html

Do you think an internal Clinton staff email discussing the photo just broke this news to American voters?
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:41 PM
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4. You keep posting this...
But fail to recognize that if a Democrat is involved in perpetuating it - that they are acting just like a repuke.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:44 PM
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6. Thank you; that's my point.
:hi:
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:48 PM
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12. Oh come on, the muslim emails were out for a long time also
Her staff was stil fired for forwarding them.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:56 PM
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21. So you're cool with HRC circulating Republican smears?
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:45 PM
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8. Photo from National Enquierer (3 million readers) weeks ago - and so Obama wants us to hate Hillary?
That's crazy talk.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:47 PM
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11. Her campaign needs to speak out then.
I don't care how much you hate Obama; he's a Democrat and for Hillary's campaign to not speak out makes them look guilty and supportive of the message.
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:48 PM
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14. That's the whole point
They can't get past that point.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:52 PM
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16. And say... what? "Jesus H Christ, are you people fucking stupid or what??""
In politics when your opponent is looking foolish its folly to help him out.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:57 PM
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23. "No member of the Clinton campaign was involved in the circulation or distribution of the photograph
of Barack Obama in traditional Somali dress."
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itcfish Donating Member (805 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:46 PM
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10. What Photo???
n/t
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:54 PM
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17. He did a dress up deal overseas a while back, and the National Enquirer ran the pic weeks ago.
Edited on Mon Feb-25-08 12:54 PM by MethuenProgressive
And for some reason, Matt Drudge decided to stir shit and blame the pic on Hillary.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:56 PM
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20. And for some reason, Hillary issued a statement in which she did not deny circulating it.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 01:01 PM
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25. "No comment" does not mean "I microwave kittens" no matter how hard you wish it does.
Edited on Mon Feb-25-08 01:01 PM by MethuenProgressive
I think it's funny the way the DUbamas went off like cheap fireworks, and then fell silent.
The email pointing out the pic was in the paper was going around the Clinton DU members emails for a half an hour while you poor people made fools of yourselves. You could've found the truth simply by googling around for a minute (geez, we gave you hints!)but, no your enjoyment of your FauxRage had you blinded.
Shame on you. And thanks or the fish.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 01:09 PM
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31. The fact that the picture has also been previously used in RW smears does not actually
absolve Clinton of using it in a smear attempt, no matter how badly you wish it to be so.
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Independent-Voter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:55 PM
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18. A clear "We have absolutely no connection with this photo" from HRC would clear things up, no?
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Rageneau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:55 PM
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19. The Clinton Campaign is doing what Jesus did. Got a problem with that?
If they passively sit back and don't do this, then they are willing accomplices.

You mean they are "willing accomplices" like the Obamas were willing accomplices when the Clintons were falsely accused of racism?

BTW, didn't Jesus stand mute in the face of false accusations from His hateful accusers?

Maybe he was trying to show that those who are anxious to crucify someone (be it Jesus or Hillary) are worse people than the 'criminals' they scourge and execute for the common good.
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:57 PM
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22. THEY DID NOT AND HAVE NOT ISSUED A DENIAL!
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 01:01 PM
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27. IT WAS IN THE PAPER WEEKS AGO! GET A CLUE! YOU WERE PLAYED!
:rofl:
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 01:13 PM
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33. IT WAS IN A RW SMEAR PIECE ABOUT AL-QAEDA WEEKS AGO! THAT MEANS IT'S OKAY FOR HILLARY TO USE IT!
:rofl:
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 01:17 PM
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35. Thank you!
Some of the HRC supporters have really flipped today. I never thought I would see any democrat DEFENDING this sort of crap.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 01:21 PM
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36. Only a true Cult member would delude itself into calling the supermarket tabloid "RW" -
Not enough photos of Britney's crotch to make it Left Wing?
The "Bigfoot Eats ET" expose was written by Bob Novak?
You DUbamas. If you weren't so sad to look at, you'd be funny.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 01:21 PM
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37. You think a hit piece claiming a Democrat has "al-Qaeda ties" is not RW?
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:59 PM
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24. They don't have to answer
to Barack Obama or his supporters for rumors that are spread by Robert Novak or Matt Drudge. Didn't Obama learn anything from the first time this sort of thing happened?
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 01:01 PM
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26. Yeah, they don't have to do anything. Just sit back and screw the Democratic Party. n/t
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 01:03 PM
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28. BINGO! I called it! I said the DUbamas would spin Clinton not being guilty into an evil plot!
You know its a contest, right? When the other guy is acting stupid, you don't stop him.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 01:08 PM
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29. You need a reality check and a new username.
Because my dear, you certainly are no progressive.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 01:22 PM
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39. You just keep on tellin' yourself that, dear.
You'll be a big girl someday, just you wait and see!
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 01:10 PM
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32. Any old smear or lie can surface. They aren't responsible for every ignorant post or article.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 01:14 PM
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34. But yet they gave a direct response. Just not a denial.
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