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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 03:57 PM
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Has the Obama campaign ever attacked Hillary's campaign...
on any issue since seems as though all I have been seeing for the past few months is that Hillary is attacking Obama. Step right up everyone and state the attacks so that we can even it up here...


Thank you everyone..this is my question for the day.
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 04:05 PM
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1. I'm an Obama supporter, but the "fairy tale" comment by Bill
was taken way out of context. It's one thing if Obama's supporters make that mistake (and assume that Bill C. was talking about the entire campaign, not Obama's Iraq War voting record), but I think Michelle Obama capitalized on that in at least one speech.

However, that's the only time I can think of when Obama's campaign went on the offensive against something done by the Clintons.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 04:07 PM
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4. That was the thing that made ...
me start :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: my shoulders and it seem as if everything when downhill after that, everyone began sniping at each other...
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Ravy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 05:10 PM
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25. And claimng that Hillary was snubbing MLK when she
was talking about having to have someone in the white house to capitalize on legislation.

Oh, and Obama comparing Clinton's presidency to that of Nixon.

And the "party of ideas" thing.

The baby boomer stuff.

Hillary Clinton(D-Jakarta)

The IWR mischaracterization.

Probably a couple of other things.
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 04:06 PM
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2. obama is good about finding other people to do the talking for him
... he has a knack for finding a way to let others do the talking for him... that way he can either hit and hide, or let others do the talking and then claim the high road.

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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 04:11 PM
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8. Like who? Hillary's had surrogates like Shaheen, Kerrey and Rendel
put their foots in their mouths BIG TIME. I don't recall any of Obama's surrogates saying anything even CLOSE to the negative, divisive comments made by all three.
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 04:18 PM
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16. obama knew the charge against the clintons on what the media called racist comments
were false. he still knows it. he did nothing to stop the media from their attacks. he let their voices do his dirty work. and he is still doing the same thing. the man is very disengenuous.

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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 04:21 PM
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18. OK, point taken. But look at all the negativity the Clinton camp has spewed
Check out the link in one of the posts in this sub-thread by Mr. Barkenberger. Talk about being disingenuous ... I'd like to see Hillary distance herself from Mr. B's attacks but she hasn't. Billy Shaheen was the only surrogate who was even slightly "punished" for his behavior. I didn't hear her say anything about what Bob Kerrey, Ed Rendell OR Barkenberger said.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 04:17 PM
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15. You mean like this guy?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKJVHjZVD60

BTW, this is a Clinton rally; Mr Buffenbarger was the speaker that came on just before Hillary Clinton.
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 04:18 PM
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17. Yeah -- this guy was the WORST of the bunch ...
Sounds like he plagiarized from an anti-Dean ad in Iowa in '04 (the "latte-drinking, Volvo-driving" part at least).
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 04:24 PM
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21. I think we're all asking where the "hit" is?
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 04:07 PM
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3. Only in defense.
Expect to get several answers, but taken out of context.
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HeraldSquare212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 04:09 PM
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5. He's certainly made statements about her proposals
but I don't think he's ever done anything like, say, the attempted 'radical' smear last week.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 04:10 PM
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7. I have never seen a campaign like this..
where everything is taken out of context and blown up to be more than it is. This type of stuff usually happens in the General election.
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Big Blue Marble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 04:24 PM
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22. Not usually, but always.
It was Repubs that resorted to this stuff in the past. I never though Dems would ever do this
to another Dem.
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 04:10 PM
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6. you do not have to attack if you get others like the whore media
Edited on Mon Feb-25-08 04:11 PM by BenDavid
to do your bidding for you......The reason many millions of clinton supporters are disgusted with and may not vote for obama if he gets the nomination is he sat back and watched the mediawhores accused both clintons of being bigots and racist and said NOTHING! He allowed his surrogates to go out there and accuse them of lies while obama's campaign played the race card and race baited enough so the media would be accusing the clintons.....I will withhold support from obama till he apoloigizes....

oh and do you think obama will ask those racists and bigots(HRC and WJC) to campaign for him?
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 04:12 PM
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9. But the Clintons were race baiting... nt
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 04:13 PM
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10. but Bill was the first black president!
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desi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 04:23 PM
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20. Yes of course
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intaglio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 05:04 PM
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24. Excuse me?
Jesse Jackson jnr. pointing out that Clinton is showing a sensitive side but that sensitive side did not appear during various disasters is a what? I hear a complement, followed by an implied question regarding the source of that sensitivity. That implied question is "Were there no tears for the disasters because Clinton is strong or because the displayed sensitivity is selfish?" This is valid for members of an opposing campaign to put before an interviewer.

The second could you please explain what is an attack in any part of what Michelle Obama says?
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 04:13 PM
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11. Do you think he'd even WANT them to campaign for him?
It could be that the Clinton era of the Democratic Party is over, and their support is no longer needed. Obama has done pretty well on his own, and may, like Al Gore, choose to use the Clintons only sparingly. And before you predict the same result as Gore received in 2000, I don't think Obama will fall into the same trap Gore did and let Bob Shrum and other operatives of his ilk torpedo his campaign with stale tactics.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 04:17 PM
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14. I don't think they could ...
because the right wing will show clips of what has gone on in the primaries and use them against obama if he is the nominee..
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HeraldSquare212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 04:14 PM
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12. He did say he didn't think the Johnson comment was racist
even though a lot of people felt otherwise. So, you have to give him credit for that. I do believe they were race-baiting at times, but I also think you're wrong that Obama encouraged people to think that.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 04:15 PM
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13. I have been watching the media and posting...
for a while now about how they have been setting up situations and making a mountain out of a molehill
and running away with it. Once the public latched on to their talking points it has been down hill every since. I don't believe that Hillary and Bill are racists but I couldn't tell you what will happen now we may be in for a few more surprise with the upcoming debate and the next two elections. There is seems to be too much anger on both sides..
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 04:23 PM
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19. apparently her IWR voteand her past stand on NAFTA, etc.
constitute an 'attack' on her from Obama.

what a buncho malarkey.

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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 04:25 PM
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23. Called Clinton "Bush-Cheney light", called Clinton "Senator Clinton (D-Punjab), etc.
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intaglio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 05:40 PM
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31. The Clinton D-Punjab originated with Hillary
when she was at a talking to the Indian millionaire who was organising a fund raising dinner for her

the Bush-Cheney Lite? when, where and who?
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 07:48 PM
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35. An Obama staffer created the term, and later apologized
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intaglio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 06:16 AM
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36. Wrong, Clinton herself first used it at the dinner as specified
the Obama staffer tried to spead it and was told off. Please check you facts
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mudesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 05:20 PM
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26. Kick. We're waiting, Clinton supporters (nm)
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SaveOurDemocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 05:27 PM
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27. Can you read? Scroll up. n/t
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 05:28 PM
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28. Of course not. He leaves that to the desperate and tasteless. n/t
Edited on Mon Feb-25-08 05:28 PM by votesomemore
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 05:28 PM
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29. A joke? nt
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 05:30 PM
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30. nonstop! Just google it.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 05:45 PM
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32. They've hit her on issues, yes. I suppose it depends on your definition of an attack.
If by attack you mean going after the other candidate in any way, then yes, they've done that a few times, mostly on the subject of Iraq and the war vote.

If by attack you mean negative campaigning, or something intended to smear the other candidate, then no.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 05:46 PM
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33. On character as well. Please review the Edwards Obama double team pre-Iowa. nt
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 05:51 PM
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34. Clinton does personal attacks on Obama
Obama criticizes Clinton on issues which is not the same.

This is politics.
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 06:48 AM
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37. of course not!
and his shit smells like lavender too!
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 07:11 AM
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38. Wow, where are all of the Clinton supporters? nt
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