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boston bean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:24 PM Original message |
I'M SICK OF THIS MI & FL SH*T |
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slick8790 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:25 PM Response to Original message |
1. Uhh I'd check on your timing there. |
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boston bean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:28 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. yep |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:31 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. So when did this new rule appear? |
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Debi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:04 PM Response to Reply #6 |
73. Really really sure? |
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Debi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:05 PM Response to Reply #6 |
74. Ugh dupe |
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writes3000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:26 PM Response to Original message |
2. And many people DIDN'T vote because they were told by many, including Hillary |
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boston bean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:27 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. 1.7 million people voted in the Dem primary up 30%. Many other found their way to vote. Those |
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writes3000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:35 PM Response to Reply #5 |
20. Isn't it interesting though that FL was one of the very few states |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:31 PM Response to Reply #2 |
12. Hillary said no such thing. It was Kerry and Obama that contradicted all Florida officials. |
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writes3000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:33 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. There IS a Hillary quote where she says the Michigan vote won't count. Yes, there is. |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:39 PM Response to Reply #15 |
27. Ok, sorry. I was thinking of Florida. |
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writes3000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:56 PM Response to Reply #27 |
51. Here's a link to the quote. |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:43 PM Response to Reply #51 |
69. But as she stated - she stayed on the ballot for a reason. |
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writes3000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:00 PM Response to Reply #27 |
57. And here's another example of Hillary's campaign's double talk on this. |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:38 PM Response to Reply #57 |
68. It looks to me as if many feel a mistake has been made, including ... |
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writes3000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:23 PM Response to Reply #68 |
79. The problem is they all have personal stakes in the outcome |
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Cass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:46 PM Response to Reply #2 |
39. There was record turn out in both the democratic and republican parties |
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Kittycat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:27 PM Response to Original message |
3. Wrong place to come in guns a blazing against Dean. This mess is MI & FLs to clean up. |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:50 PM Response to Reply #3 |
44. Why? |
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Vincardog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:27 PM Response to Original message |
4. The OP sounds like BS |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:40 PM Response to Reply #4 |
28. voting is BS? |
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Vincardog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:45 PM Response to Reply #28 |
37. lying and stating that "Florida changed their primary date before Dean came down with his new "rule |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:50 PM Response to Reply #37 |
45. Should we do the right thing and rectify the situation now? |
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Vincardog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:29 PM Response to Reply #45 |
82. Fine as long as the parties that created the mess- The State legislatures pay for it |
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Debi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:12 PM Response to Reply #37 |
76. Not the republican legislature |
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Vincardog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:31 PM Response to Reply #76 |
84. So you agree it was not Dr. Dean's fault. |
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Debi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:43 PM Response to Reply #84 |
90. 100% not Dean's fault. n/t |
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Labors of Hercules (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:28 PM Response to Original message |
7. not too bright though... |
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Whisp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:29 PM Response to Original message |
8. seems like playing by the rules doesn't apply |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:29 PM Response to Original message |
9. As A Floridian This Will Be The Second Time I Have Been Disenfranchised |
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slick8790 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:31 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Talk to your state party. |
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boston bean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:33 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. It's Deans Rule, they want to count the votes. so Chairman Disenfranchiser Dean is the one at fault |
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slick8790 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:37 PM Response to Reply #13 |
23. Well actually it's the rule's committee's rule. |
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boston bean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:41 PM Response to Reply #23 |
30. Obama is a vote disenfranchiser. Hillary hasn't cheated. Barack ran ads |
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slick8790 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:43 PM Response to Reply #30 |
35. Perhaps your argument would have some creedence if Hillary herself |
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boston bean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:59 PM Response to Reply #35 |
55. perhaps yours would if he hadn't of said he would seat them. nt |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:57 PM Response to Reply #13 |
52. Howard Dean says: |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:34 PM Response to Reply #11 |
17. Ask Dean why he changed the rules from 50% to 100% after |
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Debi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:21 PM Response to Reply #17 |
77. Dean didn't do anything - the Rules and By-Laws committee imposed the punishment |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:35 PM Response to Reply #11 |
21. Doesn't Matter |
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slick8790 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:38 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. Whatever. |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:49 PM Response to Reply #25 |
43. How Would You Feel If You Were Robbed Of Your Franchise |
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slick8790 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:52 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. Well I don't own a franchise. |
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ColesCountyDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:34 PM Response to Reply #9 |
18. Both times you were disenfranchised by Republicans. |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:36 PM Response to Reply #18 |
67. Don't know about MI, but the state legislators here in Fla voted to |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:49 PM Response to Reply #67 |
70. That's not entirely true. Republicans could have passed the bill without a single Democratic vote. |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 01:58 PM Response to Reply #70 |
96. You mention ..."democrats felt they would have sounded the |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:33 PM Response to Original message |
14. WHAT? |
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boston bean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:34 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. Don't count your brethrens votes. You are a good democrat! nt |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:36 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. They're f*cking with voters as if we were dog crap nt |
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boston bean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:37 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Yeah you are right, Obama's voters feel good about this, but Hillary's are pretty pissed |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:38 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. I don't care who thinks what. To LIE to the voters this way and manipulate us is shit nt |
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boston bean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:41 PM Response to Reply #26 |
32. Did you vote, do you live in FL, if you didn't and you do you're an idiot. And a totally see throug |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:44 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. A lot of people didn't vote because the DNC said our delegates would not be seated. |
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Cass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:52 PM Response to Reply #36 |
47. But there was record turnout due to the property tax amendment |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:56 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. There would have been a lot more if the DNC had not said they were NOT going to count the votes.... |
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Cass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:11 PM Response to Reply #50 |
62. Record turnout is record turnout. |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:03 PM Response to Reply #62 |
72. So you are going to dictate when people can vote and if they choose not to vote in a state issue, |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:59 PM Response to Reply #36 |
56. As A Floridian You Must Have Seen The Joint Public Service Announcements By Nelson And Martinez |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:27 PM Response to Reply #56 |
80. And these people are the president of the DNC? What's Dean? Some stand-up comic lying his ass off? |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:43 PM Response to Reply #14 |
33. Thank You For Disenfranching Me |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:30 PM Response to Reply #14 |
83. let me enlighten you about this sanction and Obama... |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:34 PM Response to Original message |
16. no one campaigned in florida...the results are flawed |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:40 PM Response to Reply #16 |
29. 6.5 million households were in the target area of Obama's campaign ads. |
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TAWS (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:59 PM Response to Reply #29 |
54. If Clinton showing up on election day and celebrating isn't campaigning, I don't know what is |
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boston bean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:01 PM Response to Reply #54 |
58. that was after the vote |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:32 PM Response to Reply #16 |
85. Obama did! he is the only one who did see my post #83 above! eom |
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SoonerPride (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:41 PM Response to Original message |
31. I agree. Michigan was like Russia with only one name one the ballot |
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MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:13 PM Response to Reply #31 |
63. God you people are misinformed. You're jsut reading shit off boards aren't you |
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SoonerPride (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:31 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. Oh I'm sorry, I meant only one REAL name on the ballot |
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MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:37 PM Response to Reply #66 |
88. Try Prozac |
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Debi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:28 PM Response to Reply #63 |
81. Biden was on the ballot? n/t |
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MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:35 PM Response to Reply #81 |
87. yes he had already quit tho' |
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Debi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:50 PM Response to Reply #87 |
91. Not wanting you to be misinformed - |
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yourguide (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 10:47 PM Response to Reply #63 |
94. and Biden... |
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latinolatteliberal (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:43 PM Response to Original message |
34. Process arguments are always full of shi* |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:47 PM Response to Reply #34 |
41. New Primaries In FL And MI Are The Only Equitable Solutions |
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elfin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:45 PM Response to Original message |
38. Dean didn't "create" it - Crist and Granholm did |
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ruiner4u (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:46 PM Response to Original message |
40. Your use of SH*T offends me.. It is trite and immature.. n/t |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:52 PM Response to Reply #40 |
48. Sometimes Profanity Expresses Our Outrage In Ways That Polite Language Never Could |
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ruiner4u (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:56 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. LOL....BJ jokes make the baby Jesus cry |
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jmg257 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:48 PM Response to Original message |
42. Why is it always Hillary trying to change the rules..IF it helps HER? Sorry, re-votes, or no count. |
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writes3000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:59 PM Response to Original message |
53. By the way, you also have Hillary's campaign to thank for this. Look inside... |
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boston bean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:02 PM Response to Reply #53 |
59. atleast he can admit when he is wrong. nt |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:03 PM Response to Original message |
60. call the waaambulance |
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GoldieAZ49 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:08 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. It shows the Dems cannot even run a primary without disenfranchisement |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:25 PM Response to Original message |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 02:06 PM Response to Reply #64 |
97. Oh, look, the nOOb |
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AikidoSoul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:27 PM Response to Original message |
65. You're wrong about Florida changing its primary date "before Dean came down with his new 'rule'" |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:11 PM Response to Reply #65 |
75. No that is totally correct. Before the bill passed, the DNC were going to take 50% of the delegates |
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Debi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:53 PM Response to Original message |
71. Do you all take turns with these crazy-ass threads? |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:22 PM Response to Original message |
78. Madfloridian, where are you? n/t |
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AZBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:35 PM Response to Original message |
86. Why should the rules be changed mid-election process so they can benefit Clinton? |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:37 PM Response to Original message |
89. If it were the other way around... |
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VotesForWomen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 10:33 PM Response to Original message |
92. yep; we disrespect florida voters at our peril. nt |
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youthere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 10:40 PM Response to Original message |
93. Did you see the latest on this? |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 10:49 PM Response to Original message |
95. Well said. |
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jillan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 02:08 PM Response to Original message |
98. The truth is that both candidates need these delegates, and the nominee will need these states |
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