Does The Total Number of Delegates A Candidate Needs Go Up If They Reseat Fl & Mi?.....

[global1]

The total number of delegates that Obama or Clinton need to wrap up the nomination is 2025. If they reseat the Fl & Mi delegates does that number change and go up - because the pool of delegates is now larger?

Actually - what I'm trying to get to - when Fl & Mi were taken out of the equation - did the delegate count that a candidate needed to win the nomination get reduced? If it didn't get reduced proportionately to compensate for the loss of Fl & Mi delegates - then is the 2025 number unachievable because of that?

[jlake]

1. No. That is one of the reasons why it is so hard for a candidate to get to the 2025

without those states in play.

[slick8790]

14. Actually, yes, the total does go up. n/t

[John Q. Citizen]

20. Got a link?

[Kittycat]

2. Yes. Those seats were removed from the total. - W/Link here

I have no idea where JL is getting their info?!?!

Here's the list from the DNCs Website. You will see that MI & FL are zero'd out.
http://www.democrats.org/page/-/pdf/20070607_DistrictAllocationChart.pdf

[jlake]

5. Where are you getting your info?

I thought it was 2025 from the beginning, and I can find nothing to indicate it was changed.

[Kittycat]

6. I updated my post with a link to the DNC site total.

[Lefty-Taylor]

7. Neither do I, K-cat. But I believe you are right (as usual). The total number came down to 2025 when

FL and MI broke the rules.

[global1]

9. If Those Seats Were Removed - What Was The Original Delegate Total ......

a candidate needed to win the nomination? If it is 2025 now - it had to be much higher - right? And if Dean didn't compensate the total delegate count down - when they said Fl & Mi didn't count - then he created the problem.

[Kittycat]

11. Approx another 150 more needed, or 300 delegates missing from the total.

That's approximate, it might be a few more than that in all.

[jlake]

10. I thank you are confused as to the question. The 2025 needed for the nomination

was set before FL & MI.
It was not adjusted after those delegates were removed from availability.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

12. No, sorry but no.

[jlake]

16. What does this mean?

http://www.snappingturtle.net/jmc/tmblog/archives/006336.html

What was the supposed total needed before the 2025?

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

19. He's just wrong. He may be looking at the delegation total, not the delegate total.

There are allocated non-voting delegates allowed the state delegations... VIPs or something. So the total size of the delegations is 4,631.

But the total number of VOTING delegates is 4048.

[Kittycat]

15. I think we're both looking at the same question, just answering differently.

FL & MI were excluded from the totals for breaking the rules, and all candidates agreed to those rules. 2025 is 1/2 of the delegates (not counting MI & FL) - and therefore the CURRENT total a candidate needs to secure the contest. If MI and/or FL is allowed to re-vote, the number goes up by 1/2 it's delegates.

[jlake]

23. Thanks Kittycat, I get it now.

:dunce: :dunce: :dunce:

[Vincardog]

3. The 2025 number was set before the FL and MI fiasco. They were assumed to be included.

The number will not change if they do a re-do or not.

[Kittycat]

4. See my post #2 w/link.

The number was set after. And all the candidates agreed to it.

[lapfog_1]

8. 2025 was the number without the FL and MI delegations

if either decide to have a redo at this point, a sanctioned primary (most likely a caucus), then the magic number total goes up, by one half of the total delegates added back into the pool.

[jlake]

13. But the 2025 was determined when it was assumed FL & MI was in the pool.

That doesn't make any sense.

[Kittycat]

17. Why are you trying to confuse everyone? 2025 was determined w/o MI & FL.

Look at the link. Do the math.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

18. Kitty Kat's link will answer your question

There are 4,048 delegates total, with FL and MI at zero delgates.

[jlake]

22. Thank you! I get it now.

[k8conant]

21. 2209

http://news.aol.com/elections/story/_a/what-are-delegates/20071126122909990001

Before squabbles between the national parties and some state parties over the scheduling of early primaries, the the Democratic national convention in August 2008 was to include 4,416 Democratic delegate votes (and approximately 4,436 actual delegates, since some territories are allowed to split delegate votes into ‘half delegates’). A simple majority, or 2,209, was to be required for the nomination.

The Republican national convention in September 2008 was to include approximately 2,517 delegates. A simple majority, or 1,259, was to be required for the nomination.

But the Democratic National Committee and the Republican National Committee have reduced the delegations in the following states as a sanction for those states scheduling 1st tier events before the parties' official window': New Hampshire (GOP only); Michigan (Dem and GOP); Florida (Dem and GOP); South Carolina (GOP only) and Wyoming (GOP only).

The new official, 'post-sanctions' delegate totals are 4,049 for the Democrats (with 2,025 needed to win) and 2,380 for the Republicans (with 1,191 needed to win).