Hillary Clinton coming out against a do-over in Florida is going to play very badly for her...

[scheming daemons]

61% of Democrats want both Michigan and Florida to re-run their primaries.


Hillary has now publicly come out against this. If Obama comes out tomorrow with a forceful statement saying that he agrees with June primaries for Michigan and Florida, he has the high road... and will get very positive pub over it.


Hillary will look like a conniving cheater.... which is ironic, because that's what she actually is... by trying to stick with the results of tainted faux primaries from January.


It's a win-win for Obama.... the voters of Florida and Michigan will look very kindly on him for supporting their right to have a REAL primary.... and he will most certainly do better than the 50-33 loss from the faux Florida primary in January and the 55-0 loss in the faux Michigan primary.


Take the high road, Barack. It will work out VERY well for you.

[DJ13]

1. Do you have a link about Clintons statement?

I didnt hear about that.

Thanks.

[MH1]

3. Olbermann played a clip of her saying that. nt

[City Lights]

6. Here's a thread about it:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4936332&mesg_id=4936332

[DJ13]

13. Thanks! She still wants uncontested delegates.

She can go to hell in that case.

[still_one]

2. That doesn't make sense? Florida was more toward her anyway

do you have a link?

[scheming daemons]

7. Olberman had a sound bite of her saying she is against a re-run...

... and she "won" the first time 50-33.... Edwards was still in it. Obama would surely do much better than that the second time around.

[still_one]

11. OK, thanks for the clarification. What was I thinking, of course it isn't out of principle

but just the opposite

[Blondiegrrl]

25. That's what I was going to say. Clinton will still likely win Florida,

but the margin will be much slimmer.

I think Obama has a pretty good chance of winning Michigan.

[andym]

4. It's in her own best interest to have a do-over

The demographics favor her and it removes the controversy.

[scheming daemons]

8. She won't be able to duplicate a 50-33 win.... not with Edwards no longer on the ballot....

..

[andym]

23. She might not even win, but she will get delegates in a state with a good chance to seize momentum

I think it's in her interest because the demographics favor her.

She has to gamble I think.

She may or may not do as well as the first time. She'll probably do less well (she could even lose, if Obama can successfully address the experience issue), BUT if she believes in her appeal to her core constituency, it's a battle she has to take.

If she wins again the benefit is three fold. First, she gets needed delegates. Second, she gets momentum late in the primary process, which may prove valuable in convincing the super delegates to choose her. Third, the controversy that may endanger a GE victory is eliminated.

[Flabbergasted]

5. You mean FL instead of Ohio; first line.

[donheld]

9. Does Hillary not think she can win if the vote is redone?

You did mean Florida?

[ORDem]

10. Hillary? A conniving cheater? Ya think??? n/t

:kick:

[Cha]

12. Don't understand...doesn't she think

she can win Florida with Obama's name on the ballot?

Hasn't hilary scraped all the scum off the bottom of the pond YET?

[zulchzulu]

14. There shouldn't be a do-over. Voters in both states should ask Dem leadership to resign

It sets a precedent in future primary seasons that states can break the Democratic Party rules and get away with having an election that the Democratic Party then has to pay for.

It should be up to the Democratic leadership in both states that made the decision to break the rules to RESIGN IMMEDIATELY. They broke the rules and they should pay.

[sjdnb]

15. Why are you folks so dedicated to either so as to lie for them?

Both sides keep posting Bush/Rove like manipulations of the truth ... and, for what?

Neither O or H will be able to 'deliver' us from the mess we're in.

It's sad to see so much money, energy, and hope wasted on propaganda from either side. Especially, as both have so little to offer real, average, hard-working folks and the country as a whole.

It will take much more than their status quo pandering and media savvy to save the majority of us from the future the corporations and countries holding the wealth/our debt hope us to have ... aka serfdom.

[BenDavid]

16. HRC is saying let the votes count. What obama wants is a

damn caucus, but Senator Bill Nelson has already said there will be no caucus in Florida....So, it is either seat the delegates or we lose florida and michigan and mc cain becomes the winner....Select obama so he can lose it.....and then hrc can come back in 2012....

[scheming daemons]

20. Are you FOR or AGAINST a new PRIMARY in FL and MI?

Not a caucus... I understand Hillary supporters' reluctance to have caucuses.


Are you against a FAIR primary with BOTH candidates on the ballot and BOTH being allowed to campaign in the states?


If you are against that, like your queen is... then don't whine to us about "disenfranchisement".

[jbnow]

27. If you want to say what Obama wants, clarify.

You assume he wants a caucus?
Because I'm pretty sure he didn't say only a caucus. What I have heard them say that the only thing they're opposed to is seating the delegations based on the results of January’s primaries. They have no pushed for a caucus.

Hillary said today a caucus in not acceptable.


Either one is fine with me...and surely Obama. Even if he doesn't win either one he'll get enough to win the nomination.
Not sure Clinton campaign is doing their math.

[wisteria]

17. She is conniving and self-absorbed. n/t

[KaptBunnyPants]

18. Pathetic. She really is a Soviet Democrat.

If only she could arrange it so that the general election ballot read "Hillary Clinton" or "Hillary Rodham Clinton". Of course, she'd still find a way to lose.

[MonkeyFunk]

19. Yeah

and Al Gore was a soviet Dem for wanting his votes in Florida counted, too.

[scheming daemons]

21. Al Gore's was a LEGAL and SANCTIONED election.... Florida on Jan 29 was NOT.

[KaptBunnyPants]

22. You're wasting time. Clintonites don't believe in the rule of law.

[MonkeyFunk]

26. Again with the "rule of law"

second time tonight.

This isn't about laws. it's about arbitrary and changeable DNC rules.

[Lucinda]

30. Why didn't they just cancel the election then?

[madfloridian]

24. Now that Dean has offered it...no one in leadership wants it.

:evilgrin:

Interesting indeed.

[barack the house]

28. Hope he does no reason for him not to.

[tyne]

29. Look

Hillary wanted a do-over when she thought that there wouldn't be a do-over. She was fine when it sounded like she was talking for the people....she didn't want disenfranchise them. Right.

Consider this....

She already considers Florida and Michigan wins for her. She talks about them as wins for her. She counts the delegates in her column.

Why the hell would she want to chance taking that away?

To quote Hillary Clinton..."they're just words".

Somebody step in and save this woman from herself.