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Onlooker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:10 AM
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How can we win without unity?
Many people in this forum claim they may not support the Democratic nominee. Playing right into the hands of the Republicans, 40% of people here said they would not support the Democratic nominee if it's not the person they are currently supporting.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4924160&mesg_id=4924160

I've seen numerous other polls in this forum that show similar results.

This question goes out to both Obama supporters who won't support Clinton and Clinton supporters who won't support Obama. How will your candidate win if s/he does not get the overwhelming support of Democrats? Will your candidate have to swing further right to woo over Republicans and Independents?
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NavyDavy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:14 AM
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1. i have been asking this question since the repukes for Obama
started showing up here.....you can tell the deference from a dem supporter and a repuke supporter is you can have a desent conversation with the DEm without every other word being a curse word!
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:22 AM
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2. Stop the attacks.
Obama brings something that appeals to a wider populace tired of this brand of politics from across the spectrum. I'm as democrat as it gets since Bobby Kennedy.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:27 AM
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4. obama brings the young people out too.
very important if we want to be the sitting party in Jan. 2009.
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Onlooker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:32 AM
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5. The polls show both Clinton and Obama have fairly broad support
True, Obama brings out young people, but Clinton brings out women. True, Obama brings out blacks in larger numbers, but Clinton has disproportionate support among Latinos, who sometimes vote Republican. I think it's a wash between both of their strengths. That said, Obama knows how to run a campaign, and Clinton doesn't. At any rate, both of them will need a unified Democratic Party, and many Obama and Clinton supporters are spiting themselves by refusing to support the Democratic nominee.
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:37 AM
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7. Women will come out and vote for Obama, and....
African-Americans will come out and vote for Hillary, but first time voters, and the youth vote, will sit out if the person they support loses by being picked by the party elite.

How do you explain to a first time voter that their vote doesn't count when it's trumped by a super delegate?

I've been voting for the past twenty years, and I will be highly pissed if the super delegates trump the pledged delegates.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:07 AM
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10. So all the women are going to run to McCain if Clinton is not
the nominee?
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:25 AM
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3. if we don't show some unity, we are definitely playing into the
hands of the repigs, very dangerous for us, for them it will be a victory. We have to remained focused we have to vote a Dem in the WH, this country can no longer go on like this.
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olkaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:35 AM
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6. This question is overrated and asked too much.
When the nominee is selected, those of us that were in the wrong camp will probably be butthurt for a couple weeks.

But then, it's all out war.

We're passionate about our nominees. But if the national party can paint McCain as 3rd term Bush, there is going to be amazing turnout, vitriolic primary campaigns or not.
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:43 AM
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9. I think this election will be different. I know a lot of people, myself included....
who are true Democrats and can find it within ourselves to become passionate about Hillary.


I've been voting for the Democratic nominee ever since I've been old enough to vote, but if Hillary wins this will be the first time I support another candidate besides the Democratic nominee.

With Hillary, I honestly do not see anything changing in Iraq, or any where else on the foreign policy front.

I'm hoping it doesn't come down to this, but if it does it will be because the Democratic party left me, and not that I left the Democratic party.
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olkaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:10 AM
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11. Look, man, I don't like Hillary either.
But don't do that.

If we're forced to run Hillary, we need to make sure she wins. And when she wins, we need to force her to do the right things.

It's about being involved and taking action.

As god-awful as Hillary is, she's a big delicious cupcake compared to even the best Republican candidate.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:41 AM
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8. Apparently, many dems don't feel they need
the rest of us. Unity? I was willing to unite behind many unpalatable choices. Not all, though. There were plenty of less divisive candidates to choose from; perhaps early voters should have taken that into consideration when they narrowed the field to the two MOST divisive. :shrug:
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