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NDambi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:54 AM
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It's really a very serious issue ..think protests and demonstrations..
Unless FL & MI are handled in a fair and equitable manner agreeable to the masses, I see dire consequences on the horizon.

Last night at my local Dem club and book party, there was a lot of talk about people actually willing to demonstrate and protest in the street, if this isn't handled correctly; and that includes the whole Super Delegates, pledged delegates scenario too.

It isn't just what's going on here at the DU anymore, the anger, bitterness and win at all cost, also lives outside of here. I mean people were actually gritting their teeth and readying battle mode...and I can say, many have said they won't vote for the other candidate too, will stay home, or vote for McCain (yikes). That's how bitter some really are... Hillary vs Obama, knives, bats,..what's next?

So, unless this is resolved fairly quickly, the Dems are in a serious dilemma...and a precarious position...and will limp into November wounded and easily beatable.

Egg Shells come to mind.
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nomorewhopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:57 AM
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1. half the electorate will cry "stolen election" no matter what
happens. it's a disaster, and i still contend that the boneheads who moved the primary dates should be SENT TO JAIL
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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:58 AM
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2. If they limp, thne it is your fault
If demonstrations and protests are going to be what causes the problems, then, I dunno, DON'T DO IT. "The masses" don't matter here; what matters is the voters of those two states being guaranteed that their voices are heard in the election.
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NDambi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:05 AM
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5. okay,,,you can play the role of the ostrich...if you so wish
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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:10 AM
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7. Just stick to your book club, kiddo
Edited on Fri Mar-07-08 10:10 AM by Tarc
I kinda chuckle at the image of Obamanation's iPod generation out on the protest line. Chicago '68 it most certainly would not be.
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NDambi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:21 AM
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10.  I'm far from a kid..full grown woman .with plenty of stripes for the democratic cause..
thanks though...appreciate your "sweetness."
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Birthmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:59 AM
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3. Yeah,
I've been a busy boy. ;)

But this is a fundamental issue. We, the People, voted in record numbers in FL, in good faith, and on the day assigned by the State Legislature, with a full slate of candidates. We, the People, did absolutely nothing wrong. Disenfranchising us for the actions of the leadership should be repugnant to ALL Democrats.

Clearly, action against that leadership is warranted, but disenfranchisement is the WRONG response by the DNC. But I, and probably the vast majority of my fellow Floridians, will support the DNC in any *appropriate and proportional* response they make to the rule breakers.

A failure of the DNC to seat at least SOME of the delegates from FL will result in the loss of a swing state in November.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:04 AM
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4. Maybe you the people
should elect representatives that don't break the rules, and disenfranchise you. Or, maybe you should keep doing what your doing, and blame everyone else. Is Florida going to give us another Bush vs Gore, and select our nominee for us?
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NDambi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:06 AM
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6. I said fair, equitable and agreeable..anything else..is an Atomic Bomb!
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:14 AM
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8. Anarchy
Edited on Fri Mar-07-08 10:15 AM by SoonerPride
If they allow the Michigan and Florida votes to stand as is, then we turn our country over to anarchy.

States can decide to hold elections anytime they want and cry foul if the other 49 states say "you screwed up by not following the rules."

And if we don't have a re-vote in two large and important states, then rightly or wrongly those citizenss will feel cheated and disenfranchised.

Why oh why did those idiotic states not follow the rules and vote when they were supposed to vote?

The blame is squarely on Michigan and Florida. They createds this mess and now want other people to clean it up for them.

Why is it always Florida who is screwing up elections??
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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:28 AM
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11. It isn't fair to punish the voters of those two states for the wrongs of party leaders
We don't do collective punishment here.
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NDambi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:30 AM
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12. So, do we give Obama all of the "uncommitted" votes in MI? It's ridiculous.
Edited on Fri Mar-07-08 10:30 AM by NDambi
Yeah, just sit them as is...

Well, it ain't gonna happen..just not going to...
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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:34 AM
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13. Split the uncommitteds between Edwards and Obama
Maybe apportion a few of em to Biden, Kucinich, Dodd and Gravel too.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:18 AM
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9. It's not a threat...
it's an anticipated reaction to unfairness and disregard for voters. At this point, Howard Dean is offering the only reasonable options.
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