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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:26 AM
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Does America Want Another LYING LIAR in the WH?
Edited on Fri Mar-07-08 10:27 AM by Stephanie


I've had enough with presidents who lie right to my face.




http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-sirota/the-clintonlieberman-con_b_90046.html

The Clinton-Lieberman Connection
Posted March 5, 2008 | 01:55 PM
David Sirota

Confusion and misinformation are two of the most powerful weapons in a desperate politician's arsenal. They were used by Joe Lieberman in the 2006 general election against Ned Lamont, and exit polls suggest that they helped Hillary Clinton blast her way through yesterday's primary in Ohio.

Over the last few weeks, Clinton has been telling Ohio voters she never supported the North American Free Trade Agreement -- an agreement that has become a symbol of corrupt economic policies to many working-class voters. Clinton has made these claims expecting everyone to forget her speeches over the last decade trumpeting NAFTA as a great success.

Her direct quotes praising NAFTA repeatedly are not up for interpretation -- and neither are her absurd claims to "have been against NAFTA from the beginning." We're talking about pure, unadulterated lying here -- and lying with a purpose: To confuse enough voters into thinking she actually did oppose NAFTA and that her strong support for NAFTA is somehow the same as Barack Obama's longtime opposition to the pact. Last night's results prove the scheme worked.

CBS News reports that "among Ohio voters who expressed that trade takes jobs away, 55 percent supported Clinton." The Associated Press has some more details:

Clinton's past support of the North American Free Trade Agreement didn't hurt her in Ohio where most voters think trade with other countries has cost the state jobs. Blue-collar workers and voters who live in union households backed Clinton as did voters in northern Ohio where manufacturing job losses have been staggering the past decade, according to exit polls for The Associated Press and television networks. Clinton won nearly six in 10 votes from union households in Ohio's Democratic primary Tuesday and the same number among people who earn less than $50,000 a year.



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Clinton was actually even more brazen than Lieberman. Not only did she lie about her record, she actually went on the offensive attacking Obama over the very trade deal she has long championed, "rais(ing) doubts about whether he was committed to reworking NAFTA," as the AP noted. To use the Lieberman-Lamont analogy, that's would be like Lieberman not only pretending to be against the war, but actually attacking Lamont for not opposing the war more strongly. Even Lieberman wasn't cravenly dishonest enough to do that -- but Clinton was.

The tragedy, of course, is that when such tactics are validated -- whether on the war in Connecticut or on trade in Ohio -- it encourages candidates and politicians to continue lying about the most important issues. And those lies end up polluting the debate and ultimately preventing any real change. If politicians can be rewarded for lying about their record on the war and on globalization, then they will feel emboldened to keep lying when those rhetorical debates turn into legislative negotiations.






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InAbLuEsTaTe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:27 AM
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1. No thanks. Been there, done that.
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hueyshort Donating Member (293 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:40 AM
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14. Swiftboating Clinton is rather right wing isn't it?
Edited on Fri Mar-07-08 10:52 AM by hueyshort
When Obama lied and said that his camp did not contact the Canadian Embassy to
tell them that his NAFTA speeches were just "political rhetoric"
and Clinton called him on it, this was a VALID situation based in truth.

Obama first revealed himself as a hypocrite, then a liar. He also
flubbed the debate, and came off looking like a local lightweight.

Now, Obama Thugs are going forth and publishing direct lies on Clinton.

This is known as "Swiftboating."

The justification for this is because by calling Obama on a lie, she was
"going negative."

Therefore, Obama, who claims to be a "Unifier" and "for Change" whose campaign claims
to transcend race, and "old school politics" is introducing deceptive Rovian
tactics - basically lies in order to incite hatred against Clinton.

Like he hasn't been doing this for 6 months in the blogs already.

What kills me is how the MSM never picks up on Obama's mafioso blog tactics.
all they talk about is "Clinton going negative" when she points out his
Chicago Hood style of pollitics.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:10 AM
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21. You have it wrong.
The Obama camp has NEVER contacted the Canadian Embassy.

It was the other way around.
The Canadian Embassy contacted the Obama adviser, without the knowledge of Obama.

Now, we find out that the Clinton camp DID contact the Canadian Embassy.

Clinton lied. Obama did not.

Unfortunately the smear has done its job.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:31 AM
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36. Got some proof of that?
The whole deal is based on a cloud of rumors. I'm surprised that anyone is falling for it.

--p!
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:48 AM
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41. Don't Bother Engaging That Freak
The fucktard should have been TS at his first post.
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LuckyTheDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:27 AM
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2. Still better than McCain
Just sayin'
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:31 AM
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yea, much better than mc same but why prop up your opponent.
Edited on Fri Mar-07-08 10:31 AM by alyce douglas
(from a different party) instead of supporting your own party. not very good strategy on the part of clinton
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:39 AM
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13. Just as power-hungry and unstable, IMO.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:28 AM
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3. No. I'm tired of liars, and she's a pro.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:31 AM
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4. not only lie, but not own mistakes. when i saw obama and supporter take responsibility
for what power has said, and have listened to obama people go after obama for reagan remark, and obama people speak out against the obama fans that professed violence, .... (but especially the handling of power) i recognize that clinton does not own a mistake and her people do all kinds of wiggles, ignore, deny, justify, excuse hillary...

i dont want a leader that not only lies but worse, doesnt own her mistakes. for 8 years bush and his supporters refuse to recognize his mistakes. dont recognize, cannot find a solution and resolve. so between the lying and not owning..... nope. i have had enough of it
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:37 AM
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11. good point
ty!
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Fluffdaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:31 AM
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5. Clinton can throw a punch as well as take one and get up from it
We need someone like her who knows how dirty the wing-nuts play and can give it right back at them.

Obama has a glass jaw. He will not be able to take on the GOP
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:37 AM
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9. Yeah - because another Liar in Chief is going to improve the political discourse
Only she'll do it to OUR party this time, while padding her future like Bill.
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:37 AM
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10. Obama has a glass jaw. He will not be able to take on the GOP
Amen.
His team wets the bed over "fairytale" and "roll of the dice"
they're not ready for what the GOP will throw at them.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:42 AM
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16. Can't wait until the RNC uncovers all the shit they've been compiling on Bill
and Hill. Talk about glass jaw. I'm gonna sit back and LAUGH!!
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:56 AM
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20. Last time they did that his approval rating went through the
ceiling but hey, good luck with that.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:17 AM
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27. Ah, but this time there are lots of people like me who will no longer
defend either of them.

Been there. Done that. :thumbsdown:


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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:13 AM
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23. And Hillary has been bitching
about everything that does not go her way from the start....

the tears, the press, the speeches, the first question....

Can you imagine those kind of tactics with foreign leaders?
They won't work.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:22 AM
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28. Speaking of foreign leaders - one needs look no further than how she
dismisses those who disagree with her (how many states has she declared "irrelevant?") to see how she'll handle confrontations with our enemies.

I've had enough temper-tantrum diplomacy from Bush to last a lifetime!

Time to turn the page on the McClintons.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:41 AM
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15. She's a despicable piece of shit who is as unfit for the Presidency as Bush is--
for many of the same reasons.
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:55 AM
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18. "She's a despicable piece of shit "
Gotta love the new politics of "HOPE!" and "CHANGE!"
Good job, classy, you represent your candidate very well.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:16 AM
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25. That's what she's become to me. Sorry, when Hillary shows some "class", I will too.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:27 AM
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32. Absolutely pathetic...just when I think you Kool-Aid drinkers can't
go any lower, you surprise me yet again.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:29 AM
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34. Eat it.
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:52 AM
Response to Reply #32
42. Hey Bee Donate To DU You Suck ASS
You take up all this space put down some dimes for the up keep.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:11 AM
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22. Yes, he will be able to.
The GOP have nothing to stand on.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:33 AM
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6. Haven't we been saying fire the liars for almost 8 years? n/t
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Fluffdaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:35 AM
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7. But she will be our Liar...............LOL
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 04:08 PM
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44. Precisely
Enough already.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:36 AM
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8. So what if she calls herself progressive?
She's a liar.

Which means her positions on the issues are moot, because you can't tell if she's telling the truth about her positions, or just blowing smoke up our asses to get votes.

Sorry. We've had almost eight years of a pathological liar in the White House.

It's time to put somebody in there with some integrity.
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Birthmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:38 AM
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12. I don't know.
Will she lie FOR us or TO us? ;)

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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:51 AM
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17. I think that question's been answered.
Lies right TO us. Nice!
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:59 AM
Response to Reply #12
54. I'm guessing whatever works for her at any given moment.
She's flexible.

:puke:
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:55 AM
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19. Damn right no liars...so no votes for Obama...who lied and said no one
contacted the Canadians about NAFTA, then a memo surfaces, and he has to admit that yes, his advisor met with the canadians, but that they "got it wrong."
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:15 AM
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24. He was not lying.
The Obama camp DID NOT contact the embassy.
It was the other way around - and OBama did not know about the contact.

But CLinton DID contact the embassy.

People just make stuff up.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:25 AM
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30. Um...he met with the Canadians...a guess meeting with someone
doesn't consider contacting them...and the new "rumor" that Hilary contacted the embassy is just a lie because they can't even come up with the name of the person who suposedly did this. Get your facts straight.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:42 AM
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40. Um...they contacted him to meet--and he didn't tell the Canadians to disregard
Obama's NAFTA rhetoric. Hillary's camp did, however--ooops! And until she can prove otherwise, she's a suspect.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 04:37 PM
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49. According to someone at the meeting, that was the impression given...
....there was a memo, or has your selective cultish memory forgotten that? They met!!! He said they didn't meet and then had to backtrack and say they did...that rumor about Hilary contacting is justa rumor...and it doesn't erase the fact that he lied and then tried to cover it up.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:17 AM
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26. Hillary lied about the NAFTA wink. Obama told the truth. Oops, busted your meme!!
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:26 AM
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31. No, BO said they didn't contact them, then admitted to the meeting...
...the rumor about HRC contacting them is just a rumor and they can't even say who that rumored person might be, but I guess in Obama-world truth matters little.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:28 AM
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33. BWAH! Obama DIDN'T contact them, nor his advisor--the Canadian
embassy contacted Goolsbee. Lie and deny all you want, but it's HILLARY who pulled the old winkeroo!!
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ROakes1019 Donating Member (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:38 AM
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37. who reallly contacted the Canadian embassy
The embassy contacted Obama after the Clinton camp itself contacted the embassy and said the things they accused Obama of doing. I'm beginning to think a Clinton presidency would be more deceptive and power hungry than the Bush has been. Everybody says Hillary is so smart, so it wouldn't be like the Bush presidency, but if she's so smart why didn't she pass the bar exam when she took it in DC? She had to move to Arkansas and take it again. This woman would be a disaster as president.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:40 AM
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38. I agree with all of your points.
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:23 AM
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29. All of the current candidates are liars...all of them.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:29 AM
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35. I'll just quote Geffen here...
Everybody in politics lies, but they (the Clintons) do it with such ease, it's troubling.

No more McClintons for me.
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awaysidetraveler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:41 AM
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39. She's nothing but a little lying....
Naah I won't say it, I've had enough of the divisive rudeness.

Here's a pretty good mashup video of Clinton's monstrous lies.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=385&topic_id=100620&mesg_id=100620
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:52 AM
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43. Well they'll get a liar no matter who wins
Politician=liar.

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Melinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 04:13 PM
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45. HRC lied in her speech on governement transparency:

The issue I intend to explore briefly this morning is whether we are applying the fundamental principles of democracy, rule of law, transparency and accountability, informed consent, not only to what we do at home, but to what we do in the world.

-snip-

But we must always be vigilant against letting our desire to keep information confidential to be used as a pretext for classifying information that is more about political embarrassment than national security.

Let me be absolutely clear. This is not a propensity that is confined to one party or another. It is a propensity of power that must be guarded against. Because when that happens, we move away from the bedrock principle of informed consent that should govern all state actions in a democracy.


http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/kfiles/b11179.html

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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 04:20 PM
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46. She says that and simultaneously they're hiding their WH papers.
Unbelieveable.
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Melinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 04:25 PM
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48. Exactly so, Stephanie. The hypocrisy alone is mindboggling, but the gullability of her supporters...
Edited on Fri Mar-07-08 04:26 PM by Melinda
I know there is a word for it, but I'm too shell-shocked to think of it right now.

The blind acceptance of any constituent/supporter is what scares me most.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 04:53 PM
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50. It's the willing suspension of disbelief.
They're married to the fictional idea of the Clintons, not the reality.
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 04:22 PM
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47. "If I can't be president..."



"...Nobody can!"
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:08 PM
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51. "If I can't be president, no Democrat will."
She's disgusting.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:52 PM
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52. ADD THE NORTHERN IRELAND LIES
She's got nothing BUT lies.
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:56 AM
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53. K & R
:thumbsup:
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