These Ohio Supers, who are trying to Hijack the Primary..

[meow mix]

lately ive had to explain to a few people why the supers are not evil, not a conspiracy, and not trying to "steal thier vote"

now these Ohio Supers are saying they arent going to vote untill one of the camps meet thier demands, so in effect they are holding a knife to every democrats throat in the country.

so then everyones calling me up and telling me i was wrong.
how do i explain this?
these Ohio supers that are using to tight race to try and blackmail both candidates?

[lojasmo]

1. What, now? EOM

[meow mix]

3. They interviewed one on Abrahms i think it was.. she made it quite clear whoever meets thier demands

gets thier votes.

regardless of what the voters voted.

[theHandpuppet]

5. You know, I have to shake my head...

For weeks on end I listened to some Obama supporters here hue and cry about Hillary's "supers", stating that any and all delegates should reflect the will of the voters.

Of course, that stance took an about face when the Texas causus failed to reflect the will of the Texas voters. Now all I hear is, "delegates, delegates. delegates!" To hell with the will of the people now, huh?

Yes, y'all rise up in righteous anger about even the slightest imagined or perceived voting irregularities but care not a whit for the 5 million disenfranchised voters of Michigan and Florida.

The hypocrisy is astounding.

[meow mix]

9. i actually dont care who the vote for.. just think what they are doing is really bad.

they are proving the conspiracy shouters right, and is pissing me off lol i dont know what to tell them now.

[JackORoses]

11. the Caucus did reflect the will of the Million + who showed up

Just because Hillary got the shit kicked out of her, doesn't change the facts.

[awaysidetraveler]

12. How will Hillary win?

?

As it stands (notwithstanding superdelegates) Hillary Clinton needs to beat Barak Obama by an average of 24% in the remaining elections to surpass Obama's 141 pledged delegate lead (AP) and win the nomination.

http://www.slate.com/features/delegatecounter /

If she keeps her 32 superdelegate lead, she needs only an 18% average lead over Barak Obama to beat his 109 total delegate lead.

If Florida and Michigan hold new elections and allow Obama to campaign, Rasmussen projects that Hillary Clinton
would win. In Florida she would gain about 55% of the vote, giving her roughly 108 delegates, and Obama would
lose with only 39% of the vote, gaining 77 delegates. However, they are statistically tied in Michigan, meaning
that Obama would likely split the vote there with Clinton. Therefore, Clinton should gain 31 delegates in this
scenario, which we'll call scenario A.

In scenario A, after the FL and MI re-vote, Clinton will only need a 12% average lead over Obama to secure the democratic nomination.

Florida's election put Hillary Clinton at 49% (105 delegates), Barak Obama at 33% (67 delegates),
with Edwards at 14% (13 delegates). So if Florida is seated as is, Clinton stands to gain a net
of 38 pledged delegates. Michigan's election gave Hillary Clinton 55% of the vote (73 delegates),
and "undeclared" might go for Obama in a settlement, leaving him 40% of the vote and 55 delegates.

So if these delegates are seated as is, Clinton will gain a net of 56 delegates in this scenario,
which we'll call scenario B.

In scenario B, Hillary keeps her superdelegate lead, convinces Howard Dean to seat the Florida and Michigan delegates
as is, and then she wins the remaining races by an average of 8% in each of the remaining elections.

Will "scenario B" occur? If it could occur, would it be advisable? The answer to that is no, and again no.
Democrats agree on fair rules where everybody gets to vote and all the votes get counted:
if you can't agree to that, then you're simply not one of us--no matter who you vote for.

So that leaves the 12% hope of Hillary Clinton in scenario A, which is an almost impossible scenario.

Why hasn't the media divulged this mathematical reality to Hillary Clinton and her supporters? Well... it is complicated math, I'll grant you that. But why isn't the media breaking it down and reporting it as a simple fact?

I suspect that they want us to slug it out in the streets. Should we let them divide our party that way?

No.

Best of luck as you find your way back home to the Democratic Party.

[lojasmo]

7. Link or shut. EOM

[Crooked Moon]

15. no need to be an asshole, you know.

i saw abrams talking about it last night, too.

[jlpohio69]

13. The people of Ohio have spoke....

superdel's must put their support behind Hillary.

[NDambi]

2. I don't know how you explain it away..it's quite obvious they are into blackmail...

[snappyturtle]

4. I "Googled" this subject and came up with nada. Do you have

a link? I consider this an important matter.....the power of 796 U.S. citizens to be the deciders of the Democratic primary.

[Bigleaf]

6. There apparently is a group of Supers from Ohio (of which 1 was on Abrams show yesterday)

who are voting as a bloc and the nominee has to meet their demands with respect to issues facing Ohians. Thats the quick and dirty.

[snappyturtle]

8. Thanks for the information. I didn't have a clue. Sounds like

blackmail or extortion to me. Why don't they just vote for the candidate that best meets their needs?I guess Ohio is "special".

[charlie]

10. 8 of them

Including Kucinich, Ryan, Kaptur, and Brown. They want to hear job protection policies from the candidates before they vote.

I posted about this yesterday. And I'll say again, I think we'd probably better get used to it. The supers are in a position of power like they haven't been in decades. It'll be hard to resist extracting concessions for votes.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/06/politics/politico/main3913814.shtml

[NeedleCast]

14. Good Old Democratic Party

Nothing like holding a gun to your own head while issuing ultimatums and threats.