The truth hurts sometimes, but Hillary really is a monster....

[GumboYaYa]

Darkening a photo of Barack to make him look "blacker".

Slyly implying he may be a muslim.

Underhandedly releasing pictures to the press to inflame racial and religious hatreds and stereotypes.

Lending support to the Republican nominee to aid her own failing campaign.

All of these are examples of her monstrous behavior. There are more out there.

The Clinton's only care about preserving their own power. They are bad news for the democratic party. The last thing I want is eight more years of having to try to defend their monstrous behavior.

[joeybee12]

1. None of that happened, except in your tiny little mind...

...if you could only see how pathetic you are.

[K Gardner]

3. Another Hillcultist in denial. Yeah, she's run a real high class campaign.

[joeybee12]

13. The denial is all on your part, Kool-Aid drinker...

...do you really think that just saying something happened makes it true?? God, just change your party affiliation and run on over to Free Republic.

[joeybee12]

14. The denial is all on your part, Kool-Aid drinker...

...do you really think that just saying something happened makes it true?? God, just change your party affiliation and run on over to Free Republic.

[K Gardner]

16. Might want to check the math again. You're losing.. badly.

[angie_love]

18. you're the kool aid drinker to think shes run a positive campaign

:rofl:

[JimGinPA]

5. But She Did - It's Pathetic To Argue Otherwise

:spank:

[joeybee12]

10. Yeah, the video has been debunked and still you say it happened...

...I really wonder about your sanity.

[JimGinPA]

27. What Has Been Debunked? The Image Was Darkened, That Is Obvious...

Arguing otherwise is just foolish.

[kwassa]

Hillary is a monster campaigner. Go, Hillary, go!!!!!

[Carolina]

44. yeah, that's why she lost Iowa

then cried and found her voice in NH. Then lost SC and a bunch of 'little' states that don't matter. Then had to resort to the kitchen sink.

She's a monster ok ....

[kwassa]

59. Yeah, Iowa is SO important, and she is now just behind Obama in delegates

She is doing so, so badly.

[kwassa]

35. monster dupe

[Rageneau]

55. What's obvious is that you will believe what you choose, regardless of the facts.

This latest manufactured Obama mock-outrage (the 'darkened skin' one that has his supporters whining and screeching like burning cats), was completely, utterly, thoroughly debunked days ago.

To keep insisting it happened is like Goebbals continuing to insist that Jews burned down the Reichstag.

Some role model you've got there!

[Political Heretic]

22. No it isn't.

The face darkening claim has been disproven.

She didn't imply that he is a muslim, she just stated the truth in a way that benefits her - it was tacky, but let's not lie about what happened.

As far as I know there is nothing concrete connecting the release of a photo of Obama in "unusual" garb with the Clinton campaign. There were implications, but nothing ever demonstrated to my knowledge.

I agree with your interpretation of her comments about McCain. In my view those were completely disgusting for a democratic candidate.

Let's just try to be accurate.

[Medusa]

37. Kos proved it. Right down to sourcing and aspect ratios and

all of that. The Clintonistas and Hillbots are so in denial that even when confronted with facts, they ignore them or else say it's okay to resort to such despicable tactics.

[Political Heretic]

47. lol that is so false. Factcheck.org

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/did_clinton_darken_obamas_skin.html

[kwassa]

60. to be more specific:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/did_clinton_darken_obamas_skin.html

Our video team took a look. Our conclusions:

The Obama frames from the ad do appear darker than other video of Obama from the same event.
However, the YouTube copy of the ad, on which the bloggers base their conclusions, is darker overall than other copies of the ad. We obtained a digital recording of the ad as it actually appeared on a Texas TV station, and it is lighter.

Furthermore, our analysis of the Obama frames, using Photoshop, shows a fairly uniform darkening of the entire image including the backdrop. It is not just Obama's skin color that's affected.

Also, nearly all the images in the ad are dark, including those of Hillary Clinton. And dark images are a common technique used in attack ads.

Others will speculate about the Clinton campaign's intentions and motives, as they already have. But without further evidence to the contrary, we see no reason to conclude that this is anything more than a standard attempt to make an attack ad appear sinister, rather than a special effort to exploit racial bias as some Obama supporters are saying.

[Renew Deal]

9. There are ways to deal with denial.

You should seek them.

[burythehatchet]

29. No YOU ARE pathertic. YOU are delusional. YOU are deceitful. YOU and your pice of shit

candidate are the poison in the system.

[Carolina]

42. talk about pathetic

look at Hypocrillary and her widdle Hillbots.

[GumboYaYa]

58. You seem to enjoy insulting people.

It doesn't change my view that Hillary's tactics are disgusting.

[roguevalley]

64. she didn't do any of this? What is the matter with your thinking here?

I can hardly understand how you can deny this stuff when its out there to examine.

[islandmkl]

2. I guess I took the whole 'monster' as an allusion...

like in football, Warren Sapp was a monster to go up against...

I admit I didn't hear the audio, so I don't know the inflection and emphasis in her voice...

IMO, just a back-handed, begrudging compliment as to hillary's tenacity...

[skooooo]

39. agree...

Guess no one gets the benefit of a doubt in this environment tho.

[Raffi Ella]

4. ehhh just stop it.

This is so much like The Bushies back in the day that demonized Kerry and anyone against the war...it's scary.Seriously,you guys,stop!We are DEMOCRATS.WE are better than this. :(

[GumboYaYa]

12. Sorry, but your candidate is the one doingthese things.

Calling her on it is not what is destroying the democrats chances in 08.

Her kitchen sink strategy is totally inappropriate for a dem primary. She is getting what she deserves.

[Raffi Ella]

30. Step back and take a deep breath.

All I get from this is that YOU guys think Obama is a weak Candidate and therefore must "protect" him from the very ordinary primary that is going down.

You are better than this GumboYa Ya.So are all the rest of The Obama supporter's around here.

If you believe in him then fight for him but stop demonizing his opponent.Step back and realize the technique of divide and conquer is being employed and you are falling for it.

[GumboYaYa]

56. Playing on racial and religious prejudice is not appropriate

ina democratic primary. It is disgusting. If Clinton's supporters really believe this is okay, I am appalled.

[springhill]

61. Yes, right. Race Man............by Sean Wilentz

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=aa0cd21b-0ff2-4329-88a1-69c6c268b304

How Barack Obama played the race card and blamed Hillary Clinton.
Post Date Wednesday, February 27, 2008

After several weeks of swooning, news reports are finally being filed about the gap between Senator Barack Obama's promises of a pure, soul-cleansing "new" politics and the calculated, deeply dishonest conduct of his actually-existing campaign. But it remains to be seen whether the latest ploy by the Obama camp--over allegations about the circulation of a photograph of Obama in ceremonial Somali dress--will be exposed by the press as the manipulative illusion that it is.

Most of the recent correctives have concerned outrageously deceptive advertisements approved and released by Obama's campaign. First, in Iowa, the Obama camp aired radio ads patterned on the notorious "Harry and Louise" Republican propaganda from 1993, charging falsely that Senator Hillary Clinton's health care proposal would "force those who cannot afford health insurance to buy it, punishing those who won't fall in line." In subsequent primary and caucus campaigns, the Obama campaign sent out millions of mailers, also featuring the "Harry and Louise" motif, falsely claiming that Clinton favored "punishing families who can't afford health care in the first place." A few bloggers and columnists, notably Paul Krugman in The New York Times, described the ads as distorting, but the national press corps mainly ignored them--until Clinton herself, seeing the fraudulent mailers reappear in Ohio over the past weekend, publicly denounced them.

The Obama mass mailings also attempt to appeal to Ohio's labor vote by claiming that Clinton believed that the North American Free Trade Agreement, signed in 1993 by President Bill Clinton, was a "'boon' to our economy." More falsehood: In fact, Clinton had not said that; Newsday originally applied the word "boon" and has now noted the Obama campaign's distortion. In this campaign, Clinton has called for a moratorium on all trade agreements until they are made consistent with labor and environmental standards--and account for the effect on jobs in the United States. Obama makes a big deal about how Bill Clinton signed NAFTA. But he fails to mention that, within the councils of her husband's administration, Hillary Clinton was a skeptic of free trade agreements, and as a senator and candidate she has said that NAFTA contained flaws that need to be rectified. Ignoring all that, the Obama flyer features an alarming photograph of closed plant gates, having no connection to any action of Senator Clinton's, as well as the dubious quotation about her from Newsday in 2006. Newsday has criticized "Obama's use of the quotation" as "misleading ... an example of the kind of slim reeds campaigns use to try and win an office." Obama, without retracting the mailing (and while playing to protectionist sentiment in the party) said only that he would have his staff look into the matter--long after the ad has done its dirty work.

Misleading propaganda is hardly new in American politics --although the adoption of techniques reminiscent of past Republican and special-interest hit jobs, right down to a retread of the fictional couple, seems strangely at odds with a campaign that proclaims it will redeem the country from precisely these sorts of divisive and manipulative tactics. As insidious as these tactics are, though, the Obama campaign's most effective gambits have been far more egregious and dangerous than the hypocritical deployment of deceptive and disingenuous attack ads. To a large degree, the campaign's strategists turned the primary and caucus race to their advantage when they deliberately, falsely, and successfully portrayed Clinton and her campaign as unscrupulous race-baiters--a campaign-within-the-campaign in which the worked-up flap over the Somali costume photograph is but the latest episode. While promoting Obama as a "post-racial" figure, his campaign has purposefully polluted the contest with a new strain of what historically has been the most toxic poison in American politics.

More than any other maneuver, this one has brought Clinton into disrepute with important portions of the Democratic Party. A review of what actually happened shows that the charges that the Clintons played the "race card" were not simply false; they were deliberately manufactured by the Obama camp and trumpeted by a credulous and/or compliant press corps in order to strip away her once formidable majority among black voters and to outrage affluent, college-educated white liberals as well as college students. The Clinton campaign, in fact, has not racialized the campaign, and never had any reason to do so. Rather the Obama campaign and its supporters, well-prepared to play the "race-baiter card" before the primaries began, launched it with a vengeance when Obama ran into dire straits after his losses in New Hampshire and Nevada--and thereby created a campaign myth that has turned into an incontrovertible truth among political pundits, reporters, and various Obama supporters. This development is the latest sad commentary on the malign power of the press, hyping its own favorites and tearing down those it dislikes, to create pseudo-scandals of the sort that hounded Al Gore during the 2000 campaign. It is also a commentary on how race can make American politics go haywire. Above all, it is a commentary on the cutthroat, fraudulent politics that lie at the foundation of Obama's supposedly uplifting campaign.

[SammyWinstonJack]

63. They can't hear you, DU Obama supporters, that is. They will not hear anything negative

whether true or not, against him. Sad, really. Make this a separate thread and watch their heads explode. :evilgrin:

[Carolina]

48. Au contraire, not your candidate

She can dish it out but she can't take it. The gloves are coming off and it's time HRC realize that kitchen sink crap can bubble up through the drain and spatter back in one's own face!

[ecstatic]

6. She's used every single disgusting RW tactic

against one of our own. I must admit, she can get down in the gutter with the best of them. However, the Democratic PRIMARY is not the time or the place to use such tactics.

[NDambi]

7. arghhhhhh

[GoldieAZ49]

8. I wonder what the response would be if Obama had been called a monster

by someone in Hillary's campaign

such childish name calling, hardly presidential material, unless it is for the 6th grade class

[Bright Eyes]

15. So Samantha Power is running for President?

Interesting....

[GoldieAZ49]

25. it is interesting - this and the Obama advisor talking to Canada about NAFTA

not to bright a team he has there

interesting indeed

[Bright Eyes]

32. "the Obama advisor talking to Canada about NAFTA"

Other way around. Did you see the news yesterday?

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/hotstories/5599472.html
http://www.startribune.com/world/16355161.html
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23508246/

It was on Countdown with Keith Olbermann last night...

[GoldieAZ49]

33. Keith Olbermann - LMAO I don't watch his show

that would be a bigger waste of time

Keith O :rofl:

[skooooo]

40. Right because he's so outside the liberal, democratic

mainstream...right?? Like Air America, etc.

So who do you listen to?

[Bright Eyes]

67. Fine.

But please retract your statement that it was Obama and not Clinton who "reassured" Canada about NAFTA.

[Carolina]

49. news flash! You and your candidate doth PROJECT too

much. It is HRC running a dirty campaign and Team HRC who talked, wink and nod, with the Canadians about NAFTA!

[TwilightGardener]

19. oops, delete

[NightWatcher]

11. be careful speaking up against Hillary, she'll have you fired

first she went after David Shuster, now Ms. Powers


You cannot speak up against our would-be queen.

[Arkansas Granny]

17. If that was true, this board would be damn near deserted by now.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

20. except that it didnt happen

[Ladyinblack]

24. Hillary is beginning to sound like Bush to me

Bush and Hillary are both giving support to McCain. If she gets the nomination her words will come back to haunt her. She seems willing to do anything to win.

[skooooo]

41. Me too.

[City Lights]

54. I just said the same thing on another thread.

The similarities in their personalities :scared: me. No more sniveling, whiney, bullies in the White House!

[elixir]

21. And she's responsible for 9/11, Katrina, the tsunami in Indonesia, my kids bad grades...

the lousy weather this winter (hasn't it been the worst eva?)
all the broken hearts out there
the end of the world as we know it



Obama's inability to win substantively in a red state that "counts"...oh, wait, she is responsible for this one. Sorry.

:shrug:

[asjr]

23. Are you in the 4th or 5th grade? This is

the type of thread that takes up space and time and proves nothing. I presume you do not like Hillary Clinton and that is fine with me, but your time would be better spent railing against John McCain. He is the enemy.

[JBoy]

51. Hillary should spend more time railing against McCain

instead of repeatedly saying how qualified he is to be President.

[lefty2000]

26. None of it is true

The Clintons have been the best thing that happened to the democrats in a long time. No one has been more dedicated to liberal causes or harder working to achieve democratic goals than Hillary Clinton. You are either part of a strategy to smear and destroy a champion of democratic causes by lying and innuendo, or you are a fool. I suspect it is the latter.

[YOY]

38. You obviously have no idea what a "liberal cause" is

I'll give you a hint: They have NOTING to do with the Military Industrial Complex as she does.

[Name removed]

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[Upton]

28. All of what you say is true

why is anyone denying it?

[City Lights]

31. I don't believe she's a monster. There is no basis for that.

I take her on the basis of what she says. And, you know, there isn't any reason to doubt that.

I take her at her word that she's not a monster. No. No, there is nothing to base that on. As far as I know.

[skooooo]

43. Monster = false meme?

:rofl:

I mean, if she says she's not a monster, you're right....

[City Lights]

45. The ease with which her words can be used against her amazes me!

:rofl:

[Name removed]

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[YOY]

36. She's no monster. She's a "political animal"

A politician in its finest form. She's overcome many of her hurtles with style. I give her credit but that is NOT what we need right now.

Unfortunately for Hillary, we need a leader and not a politician now.

Oh yeah...and legacies suck...no matter what kind of genitals they have.

[GumboYaYa]

65. "legacies suck"

How true...have you seen my movie, "Can Mr. Smith Get to Washington Anymore?". It is available on Netflix now.

[L0oniX]

46. What "normal" woman wouldn't get a divorce after the 2nd or 3rd affair?

A cold hearted calculating power monster.

[Bake]

52. Hitler was a monster. Jeffrey Dahmer was a monster.

The hyperbole in here is astounding.

Bake

[ProgressIn2008]

62. Well, I saw a DU poster call Clinton "Mussolini to Rove's Hitler"... anything goes. nt

[HooptieWagon]

66. voting to drop cluster bombs on children is pretty monsterous, IMO

But I'm not surprised zellarians excuse and defend such actions.

[Liberal Gramma]

53. Agreed

I didn't suppport Hillary for our nominee because--unfairly, in my opinion--she brings out the rabid salivators on the far right who aren't too excited about this election but would be if she were our nominee. After watching her sliming of Obama, however, it's become personal. I don't like what her tactics are saying about her lack of integrity and party loyalty. If she is the nominee, I'll vote for her because I think any D is better than any R, but I'll have to hold my nose to do it.

[OzarkDem]

57. Put your tinfoil hat away n/t

[ChairmanAgnostic]

68. NAFTA, NAFTA, NAFTA.

[GumboYaYa]

69. The list can go on forever it seems.

[Unbowed]

70. The Clinton Liebermonster. n/t