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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:51 AM
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******YOU BETTER READ THIS RIGHT F****ING NOW1!1!1!****
OK, now that I have your attention. :evilgrin:

Have you noticed things getting a bit emotional here? I have. It’s all screaming, and caps and “Fuck Hillary’s” and exclamation marks and “Obamacultists” and sort of not what’s really happening in the real world.

As I’ve read DU lately, I keep asking these questions.

Why is it a bad thing that states that haven’t gotten a voice in the primary election process since 1992, or before, are given a chance to have a vote that counts?

Why is it a bad thing that an archaic and corrupt election system is receiving coverage and prompting discussion?

Why is it a bad thing that the best the Repubs could come up with is John McCain?

Why is it a bad thing that we still have two candidates running, making the RW have to continuously come up with not one strategy, but two?

Why is it a bad thing that we are seeing record turnout of ALL ages, races, economic and education classes and both genders for the DEMOCRATS?

Yes, we’ve seen excellent candidates marginalized, but they’re still around, still working for us. We have a political party that is struggling to maintain its platform in the face of overwhelming economic interests wanting to see it gone.

I am not emotionally vested in either, although for my vote I’m leaning Sen. Clinton. But, only Edwards and Kucinich have gotten money from me, so what does that say?

It says I’m a Democrat who believes in the "focus on the greater good" platform of the Democratic party.

We have a breather here, before the MSM machinery gears up and goes full bore and I, for one, intend to enjoy this respite.

Which probably means spending much less time here, LOL, but there are other things in life besides DU. I'm looking forward to attending the county caucus as a delegate for a Senate candidate to replace the pukeworthy Wayne Allard. The grassroots are rising and it's a good thing to see the government of the people, by the people and for the people making a resurgence.

Now, let the explaining begin about how awful it is to be a long standing member of the Democratic party. I've always been proud to be a Democrat, and I don't think I've ever been prouder than at this moment, so I doubt I'll be convinced. :-)

And,

BTW…


*****GO DEMOCRATS!1!!1*****************

:bounce: :toast: :headbang: :patriot:




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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:57 AM
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1. Great post!
Edited on Fri Mar-07-08 11:57 AM by wlucinda
Thank you.
And I especially agree about the flaws in our election process being exposed.
I intend to help change it.
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 12:03 PM
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2. Thank you.
:toast:

After all is said and done, the exposure should be very beneficial. People have had personal experience now, with the election process. It hasn't been that way for well over a decade.

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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 12:24 PM
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3. I just watched a clip of local news coverage of a townhall in Mississippi
Edited on Fri Mar-07-08 12:24 PM by wlucinda
and they were SO excited that Mississippi actually was a player now. We have all this Dem enthusiasm, if we can hang on it, it would be a good time to work toward election reform.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 12:26 PM
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4. Can you say President John McCain? Kind of painful isn't it?
Here's why it's a bad thing: A long acrimonious battle and a brokered convention give us a fatally wounded nominee. Period. History is a great teacher.
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 12:35 PM
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5. I see acrimony here. I don't see it in the non virtual world.
Edited on Fri Mar-07-08 12:41 PM by BleedingHeartPatriot
I have family in Pennsylvania who are thrilled to vote, and they'll be voting for Sen. Obama. They're teasing me about Sen. Clinton, although they see why I support her and the best part is how much interest they have in this election process.

Except for the dour faced MSM types, the glum R's and some screaming posters here, on both sides, I see excitement and citizen involvement.

Do you really believe that the DNC and Dr. Dean would let this go to a brokered convention? Once the states have all voted, we'll know who the nominee is and have at least a couple of months before the convention to get into gear for the GE.

And, what a convention it will be!

It'll be nice to see everyone with the common goal of defeating McCain, definitely.





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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 12:50 PM
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8. I think it's on it's way to becoming very very bitter and divisive indeed
The NV lawsuit, the accusations, in the real world, being traded by supporters of the two camps. Yep. It's already well underway. Take a look at all the stories coming out of the TX caucus and now the Clinton camp is threatening to sue over that.

Dean doen't want a brokered convention but he may not be able to stop it from happening. How on earth will it be over before then? Neither will have captured the requisite 2025 delegates. Short of something extraordinary happening that destroys one candidate or the other, this is going to the convention. And it won't be pretty.
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:04 PM
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11. I guess you and I have a different view. I can only speak from my real world experience.
Edited on Fri Mar-07-08 01:04 PM by BleedingHeartPatriot
I don't count what I see here on DU.

I hear people at work openly talking about volunteering with DNC, and who are excited about seeing more Congressional representation, I talk to family and friends here, and in other areas of the country, who are watching closely and very happy with the two choices.

If they have a preference for one candidate or the other, they still know they're voting Democratic in the GE. I have yet to hear, as is proclaimed over and over here, "If so and so wins the nomination, I'll vote for McCain."

I believe whoever is not the nominee will be gracious and supportive. As Dr. Dean guides the "50 state strategy" he does this knowing the more people who are given a chance to make their choice known, even if their preferred candidate isn't the nominee, can say they had the opportunity to make their voice heard.

He is reversing the voter disenfranchisement of the last two presidential election cycles.

I commend him and feel that each candidate is receiving a "pre vetting" before the GE.

Please don't lose heart. It looks like Sen. Obama will be the nominee. The rest of the states will have their say. The candidates will have to make campaign appearances in areas of the country that have felt forgotten. They both will benefit by meeting more and more of the citizens for whom they are vying for the opportunity to represent.









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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 12:51 PM
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9. Before the 1960's...
Most conventions were brokered. FDR was the product of a brokered convention, and I think he did pretty well.

It's not the brokered convention that will kill us. It's the acrimony caused by people who find the tiniest molehill and turn it into Mount Everest.

OBAMA USED A DANGLING MODIFIER IN ONE OF HIS SPEECHES!!! OMG!!!

HILLARY ONCE KNEW A GUY WHO HAD A SECOND-COUSIN WHOSE DRY CLEANER VOTED FOR GOLDWATER!!!

Fucking 'A, people. Calm the hell down. I posted elsewhere today one of those on-line candidate support quiz. I support Obama 78% and Hillary 71%. A co-worker sent me another quiz, and the ironic result was Hillary 78% and Obama 71%.

The view from 30,000 feet is that there's not a huge difference between these two candidates. Maybe that's why this trivial, insignificant stuff takes on a life of its own. At least on DU.
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 12:46 PM
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6. Reasonable and Thoughtful Comments...
I'm hitting the "Alert" button right goddam now!!

:)
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 12:48 PM
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7. LOL,
:spray:

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gauguin57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 12:52 PM
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10. My fellow Pennsylvanians and I are excited that our primary finally makes a difference.
Edited on Fri Mar-07-08 12:54 PM by gauguin57
Our primary is always so late in the year that I can vote for the Man in the Moon and nobody cares.

Except this year.

The candidates and their surrogates will actually come here to speak and pretend they want to know what Pennsylvania's problems are.

And Gov. "Fast Eddie" Rendell will be on Hardball every freaking night (I think Tweety has a man-crush on him!)

Yes, there will be robo-calls and negative ads on TV that will drive me crazy.

But, for one bright, shining moment, the Keystone State will be in the primary spotlight.

Great OP, BTW ... a pleasant little moment amid the nasty-nasty-nastiness around here.
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:56 PM
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13. Thank. I'm glad your state's getting its moment, it's been long overdue!
:toast:

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Beregond2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:04 PM
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12. Thanks
Thanks for the rational perspective.
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:58 PM
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14. We'll have plenty of "outrage" moments during the GE, against a rapacious
opponent who has minions of screechers on the MSM.

May as well save up emotionalism and energy for that enterprise.

Thank YOU for the thanks. :-)
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 02:02 PM
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15. Great post!
The headlines, the drama, and the fascination surround Clinton, Obama and the Democratic Party, McCain is sad little boring afterthought.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 02:06 PM
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16. .
:kick:
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 02:15 PM
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17. Go Democrats! K&R
Thanks for the unifying message - we need all the positive we can get around here - especially lately.
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tandot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 02:18 PM
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18. A voice of reason...in GD-P??? WTF?
What are you still doing here???


Thanks for posting this, BleedingHeartPatriot - I couldn't agree more


:hi:
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 02:35 PM
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19. Thanks to you, too.
Much appreciated. :loveya:
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 03:40 PM
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20. Kick
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