OK no flames please, but does anyone have the numbers how the FL and MI delegates

[NMDemDist2]

would break and what those numbers look like when they are added to the popular vote totals?

please, just looking for numbers here, not attitude

[madfloridian]

1. I think Hillary would have gotten about 40 more.

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[Zynx]

2. With popular vote it is only fair to add Florida. That cuts Obama's margin by about 300,000.

Michigan, now that it looks like a caucus, is hard to tell.

[AikidoSoul]

7. It would NOT be fair to allow FL delegates to count

unless they run another election. It's being debated but the state of FL doesn't want to pay for it.

Florida should pay for it because FL screwed up.

FL Dems ran early primaries despite the warnings from the DNC about the rules and penalties. Obama and other presidential candidates were not allowed to campaign in FL prior to the primary. This gave Mrs. Clinton a name-recognition advantage.

In Michigan, Obama wasn't even on the ballot.

The Florida Legislature Dems would like you to believe that the FL Legislature Republicans forced them into an early primary... but that is a total pile of crap. They wanted the early primary and played a deceptive game with the DNC to try to make it appear as if they were being forced to accept the terms

If you look at the vote and read the transcript this becomes very clear.

[stellanoir]

3. I just heard on the radio that it's increasingly likely that MI

will have a "fire barn caucus" in June.

I really think it would be most fair if both states did a redo under these circumstances.

[mohc]

4. Delegate counts

Florida:
Clinton 105
Obama 67
Edwards 13

Michigan:
Clinton 73
Uncommitted 55

Total:
Clinton 178
Obama 67
Uncommitted 55
Edwards 13

[mohc]

5. These were pledged delegates only btw

So it does not include superdelegates. In my opinion, revote or not, the superdelegates should not be seated. A revote would only redeem the pledged delegates.

[revolve]

6. Especially since Kwame is a superdelegate

And it was some of the superdelegates that got us into this in the first place