Roseanne Barr: Bow to the Woman

[bigtree]

March 7, 2008 | 01:42 PM (EST)

Barack Obama: Bow to the woman, and take the vice presidency. Let our country heal. You will run in eight years and be unstoppable as a visionary world leader. You must pass through this filter first though: bow to the woman.

Otherwise it will be about your voting record and you do not want to live through that punishment, especially if you are innocent. Premiere Hillary represents the soul of the Democratic Party: the women who support her, Latinas, Latinos, 30 percent of the black voters, the blue collar worker, male and female, as just proven in Ohio, and the Baby Boomers...quit bitching and moaning and whining now! Be a man and take vice, bow to the woman who is the last vestige of the New Deal which represents universal health care. You can't win without the votes of the people who support Clinton. You do not have the working class vote; you do not have the majority on your side even with independents. The states you win are not swing states or even Democratic states. You are a spoiler and your campaign is alienating the Clinton vote. Many of Clinton's backers are turned off due to the shrillness of the attacks your campaign has let loose on your opponent.

You can't fight back dirtier than she can -- it will bury your message of hope and change. It obscures the message of the people in this party!

The people's message is: universal health care and no less, a raise in the minimum wage, green collar jobs, break energy dependence...(Barack supports nuclear energy companies instead). The women who hold up this party and are its majority want equal rights for the females that work for a living. Equality and no less. Attacking the female candidate as a monster will not work for you. Your strident leftist advisors are off the mark. The people are centrist, especially during a war.

Join or lose!!!! It will take both of you to end this war: the one who was wrong and the one who was right: the people want an end to war above all else! The Democratic Party is going to faction itself to death and lose to another old white man, Fuhrer McCain.

Lead us, Barack, show us how cooperation works, let's live the dream of Dr. King...blacks and whites, Christians and Jews, male and female left and right holding hands on the way to the Promised Land!!! Stop the Republicans by taking the vice presidency.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/roseanne-barr/bow-to-the-woman_b_90433.html


Sen. Hillary Clinton pauses as she is introduced during a campaign stop at the train depot in Hattiesburg, Miss., Friday, March 7, 2008


bow

Function: verb

definition: to cease from competition or resistance : submit, yield

[jakem]

1. is this supposed to help hillary?

[bigtree]

10. I dunno

Is everything posted here supposed to help?

[Labors of Hercules]

2. Since when should ANYONE take political advice from Roseanne Barr???

:wtf:

[bigtree]

7. I dunno

do you take political advice from anonymous posters on this board?

[hueyshort]

31. Neither should take the Vice

Double minority ticket is a bad idea.
The country has to get used to one, first.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

35. erm, women are not a "minority". Just saying.

Welcome to DU.

[rodeodance]

56. social indicatiors --such as pay scales--say otherwise.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

63. True. I was just talking about the quantifiable population part.

You'd think we were some kind of rare species instead of more than half the population, to read some things, here, and watch the MSM.

[rodeodance]

70. well, said. --and yes to the population descriptor:

[bigtree]

51. I'm not for it

and, I don't think those two are either.

[Labors of Hercules]

50. no... they just help me hone my debating skills.

:evilgrin:

[BonnieJW]

12. Well she DID sing the Star Spangled Banner

at a baseball game and then spit. Doesn't that make her qualified???

[Benhurst]

68. I guess the same sort of idiots who would take Oprah's "He's the One"

seriously. I wish all the show biz types would keep their opinions to themselves. But, hey, it's a free country. I guess I wish we had a press which didn't fawn over such people and take their pronouncements seriously.

[malletgirl02]

117. I agree

I was going to post something like this,but you said it much better than I could. Thanks.

[Benhurst]

138. ...

:hi:

[malletgirl02]

173. ...

:)

[WinkyDink]

97. Why not? Or is Keith Olbermann the standard of acceptance?

[alphafemale]

3. This woman says uh.uh

[anonymous171]

4. OBEY!

I will fight tooth and nail until that borg is back in NY with a contested senate race on her hands.

[Coexist]

5. not.

[shrub chipper]

6. maybe

Roseanne can sing the National Anthem at Hillary's 'Inauguration'?

[jakem]

13. or Hillary can sing when Roseanne is Inaugurated

oh Jesus, i just threw up in my mouth a little bit...

:puke:

[TwilightGardener]

8. Didn't she pull down her pants somewhere and moon us with her fat ass?

[Medusa]

9. The woman is mentally unbalanced.

No wonder she likes Hillary so much.

[SoonerPride]

11. Another "go to the back of the bus where you belong, boy" comment

How 'bout NO FUCKING WAY.

[TwilightGardener]

18. Exactly. Sickening.

[bigtree]

32. you don't believe that. There's NOTHING in this 'article' about race

YOU are the one exploiting it here.

[TwilightGardener]

41. That's the tone I hear. Sorry.

[bigtree]

49. YOU are responsible for introducing race in your argument

. . . not Barr.

[TwilightGardener]

52. I call 'em as I see 'em. Barr is and has always been a low-class piece of trash.

[rodeodance]

60. SHAME on YOU!! Enough witht race-card tossing out when NONE exits!

[Bake]

133. You're hearing something that isn't there.

That's getting to be a recurring theme in your posts.

Bake

[woolldog]

26. That was my first impression when I read it.

She wants him to be Hillary's token. Uh, no way.

[Growler]

90. Exactly!

Why should the candidate with the most delegates, money, popular votes, and cross-over appeal take 2nd place? Because he doesn't have a vagina? Or is it because he's black? OP makes no sense.

[geek tragedy]

14. Get to the back of the bus, Barack!

Kiss my ass, Roseanne.

[SoonerPride]

17. Beat ya to it..

:)

[bigtree]

23. a vice-presidency is the 'back of the bus?'

is this only for black candidates, or are all vice-presidential choices discriminatory to you?

[SoonerPride]

29. It reeks of "know your place"

And his place is in the lead:

More votes
More states
More delegates
More super delegates

And yet he, the black man, is supposed to know his place and "bow down" to the white woman and know his place as a second class citizen?

FUCK THAT NOISE.

[bigtree]

43. she has every right to hold the same opinion that others do

about the value of delegates, states won, etc, vs. the popular vote and larger states vs. smaller ones. You aren't a racist for believing Hillary Clinton could deserve the nomination in the end, no matter how much you and others might want to exploit the issue.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

15. You have seriously got to be fucking kidding me.

Since you're a Clinton supporter, I can only hope you didn't read this bizarre tirade before you posted it. This is not going to make anyone consider supporting your candidate. Poor Roseanne. I think all the plastic surgery has warped her brain. :wow:

[Joe the Revelator]

16. She's out of her mind

Completely and utterly out of her mind, and this shrill post should only drive MORE people about from Clinton.


The guy with the insurmontable lead should not be the one getting advice to bow to anyone.

[ariesgem]

57. I expect to hear these incoherent rants coming from Rosanne.

What bothers me is that Hillary is beginning to sound more & more like Rosanne.

[WinkyDink]

98. What's your problem with Ms. Barr? That she made something of her life?

[ariesgem]

111. There's plenty of folks who I admire that became successful.

Rosanne is not my cup of tea.

[Josiah1982]

19. Neither Obama or Clinton can win the GE without the help of the other.

If the ticket is not combined mcCain will be the next president.

[mckeown1128]

76. BS..... HIllary would hurt an Obama ticket....

and Obama doesn't really bring anything to a Hillary ticket.

[Josiah1982]

128. so obama supporters shouldn't vote for hillary if she's the nominee and viceversa?

As it stands there is so much rancor that neither one can win without the support of the other and polls show that hillarys voters won't all vote for obama and the same goes for obama's voters. So you hvae president mcCain.

[XemaSab]

20. Hey, boy, you better not be disrespecting them white wimmin!

:eyes:

[bigtree]

25. really? Where does it say that? Is this one of those manufactured outrages

reverse race-baiting?

[XemaSab]

44. No, I'm overly PC

and telling a black man to "bow" to a white woman and accept the secondary position strikes me as being in bad taste.

[bigtree]

47. so 'bow down' is racist now?

check.

[TwilightGardener]

71. Who bows down to ANYBODY? What an odd choice of language, don't you think?

[bigtree]

79. no. It's common English. It was not spoken in ANY racial context.

It's not even part of ANY racist lexicon. Sounds more like kingdoms and such, but, in the context Barr was using, it was simply her asking Barack to bend to Hillary's candidacy. That's not at all racist. Give it up.

[TwilightGardener]

83. It sounds really, really bad in this context.

[bigtree]

93. no it doesn't

this is yet another example of overblown defense of Obama, using his race to cast him as a victim of a slur. This time, you've invented one.

bow

Function: verb

definition: to cease from competition or resistance : submit, yield

[redqueen]

141. It sure does to this woman.

And your definition doesn't exactly negate that... submit? Sorry, but that's VERY belittling. It just is.

[bigtree]

150. There is absolutely no good reason to use 'submit' just because it was in the definition

"to cease from competition or resistance" Clearly applies here, despite the need for some to twist this into something racist. In my 47 years. I've never heard 'bow' used in a racial context or as a racial slur. I think the attempt to twist it into one is despicable and rank opportunism in exploitation of Mr. Obama's race to generate a manufactured outrage.

[redqueen]

152. Think whatever you like.

But telling someone to "bow" to someone else... IMO there's no way to spin that away.

[bigtree]

186. sure there is, If Obama wasn't black, I believe you wouldn't bring it up at all.

Just my belief.

[redqueen]

187. Actually, if I had to pick an "ism" to apply to it, it'd be sexism.

But it really doesn't matter... I doubt Roseanne Barr's instructions will make more than a tiny little ripple.

[bigtree]

190. I don't think they would have seen the light of day if I hadn't posted them here

[redqueen]

192. Heh, you might be right!

[grrr050]

21. Duck Rosseane!

Go Hillary!!!!!!!!!!!

Barack might consider your plea but not his minions of keyboard warriors who were all born yesterday.

[lumberjack_jeff]

22. The supporters of both candidates make it really hard for people to support the candidates. n/t

[ContinentalOp]

24. Haha, K&R

No way can this insanity help Clinton.

[bigtree]

28. hint: she's a comedian

[JackORoses]

27. Fuck you, Roseanne! You can sing the Star Spangled Banner at Hillary's concession.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

30. "The people are centrist, especially during a war." So?

"Strident leftist advisers." Obama is "leftist"?

:rofl:

[anonymous171]

34. First Obama was a closet right-wing bigot

Now he is too far left. WTF!?

[TwilightGardener]

37. He's the only "Reagan-loving" Leftist I've ever heard of. A rare breed.

[Rock_Garden]

33. Excellent, bigtree.

[SoonerPride]

38. Yea, them uppity blacks better know their place is at the heel of the white woman

riiiiiiiiight.

Eff that.

[bigtree]

46. you're a real racist, huh? Barr said NOTHING about race. YOU are exploiting race here

. . . not Barr.

[cali]

36. I have always detested Barr. She's a repulsive liar and the very

definition of tacky. She had to apologize for her last diatribe, and though this one isn't of that rank, she lies her monumentally stupid ass off here. Of course he wins swing states, and furthermore hill doesn't have 30% of the black vote. Barr really is disgusting. Perfect fit for camp hilly.

[JimGinPA]

39. Roseanne And Hillary Have One Thing In Common...

They've both gone as far in their careers as they are gonna go.

[navarth]

40. Roseann's a good lady, she can be wrong once in a while

without me getting mad at her. My 2 cents

[northernsoul]

42. If there's one person whose political imperatives must be obeyed,

it sure as shit ain't gonna be Roseanne Barr. What an utterly vapid propaganda piece.

[Whisp]

45. geeze Roseanne, you are losing it....

I've always admired you but you sound a tad dim witted here. and a lot stoooopid.

funny how that happens to Clinton supporters. I've noticed that same thing in this run as in the Bush one - certain kinds of people are attracted to the worst choice.

[bigtree]

64. you know that this season brings out the political fool in ALL of us

not just Clinton supporters

[Whisp]

118. can't get much more assholio than Hilliar has been...

Obama is clearly the one with some integrity - plain as day. but some cannot see.

[bigtree]

127. that's his facade

he's got Axelrod and Co. in the trenches, doing his dirty work while he maintains the illusion of clean hands.

[Steeler1623]

48. KNEEL BEFORE ZOD!!!

[rodeodance]

53. "Stop the Republicans by taking the vice presidency."--Wonder if Hillary will offer it to him??

[bigtree]

59. I can't see it

but, anything's possible.

some fun from 'Roseanne' for my last afternoon post. Love to watch the 'outrage' over support for Hillary.

[rodeodance]

65. either

can I really.


yah--they are swarming in like pesky flies.

[ContinentalOp]

86. Sure. The outrage is over "support for Hillary"

:eyes: Not the overt racism involved.

[Bake]

137. Overt racism my ass!

There was NOTHING racist in the piece. Now the Obamatons are just seeing it eVERYWHERE!! Anyone who doesn't support Obama must be racist!

What a crock of shit. Your own candidate would be ashamed of you. You do him no service with that attitude.

Bake

[nels25]

54. Next up another Rosie will chime in

I suppose that Rosie O'Donnell will pipe up next, proably wail on McCain's service like she did no Dole's in 96 (I know a lot a vets who were pretty steamed about that).

No doubt she will think it our civic and correct duty to support Hillary just because she is a woman.

NOt, for me.

If I have to vote her to insure a Democrat in the white house I will, but I will hold my nose and wear a face mask when I do so.

And I will not look forward to her 4 years, I don't think it will be pretty, I think we will have a hard time holding our majority in 2010 with her as POTUS.



:crazy:

[IndyOp]

55. ...and become the evil that you seek to change. (n/t)

[DangerousRhythm]

58. Obama is a SPOILER?

And shrill? Wait, WHAT?

O_o

Oh, it's Roseanne. Nevermind.

[alphafemale]

61. asking a black man to "BOW DOWN!!!!"

whoa...

[eShirl]

69. I know

that's Rosanne for ya!

[bigtree]

75. oh god

I'm a black man and I prefer to think like the majority of Americans who wouldn't associate 'bow down' with race at all. But, you must have SOME historical analogies to back up your assertion.

[ContinentalOp]

91. So how about this:

Hey Hillary: Bow down to the man!

Would that fly?

[bigtree]

94. But, that would only support some gender slight, not the racial one you're positing.

keep twisting.

[Coexist]

62. We are Borg.

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

66. ummm...not sure how this bowing stuff is gonna play with working men....

[TwilightGardener]

77. I hope this gets some play in PA.

[bigtree]

95. um, they'll likely recognize that she's a comedienne

and laugh it off.

[eShirl]

67. oh great, now I've got this song running through my brain over & over

"if you wanna kiss the sky, better learn how to kneel - on your knees boy!"

I suppose it could be worse than a great U2 song though!

[burythehatchet]

72. What a frickin loser n/t

[totodeinhere]

73. If someone said "Hillary Clinton: Bow to the man,"

there would be widespread outrage among feminists and they would be calling for that person's head for saying that. But where is the outrage over Roseanne's statement?

[SoonerPride]

78. I'm outraged.

It stinks

[bigtree]

89. So, you've subjugated the woman in your argument, but elevate her in relation to the man

to make the tortured analogy, just because he's black. You can't have it both ways.

besides, she's saying 'bow' to Hillary's candidacy. The rest is your own sick invention.

[anigbrowl]

180. The headline 'bow to the woman', not 'bow to Hillary's candidacy'.

You can spin it to mean whatever you like, but that's what it actually says. Somehow I don't think this is a subtle and witty satire on Roseanne's part.

[iverglas]

184. I doubt your point in this post will be taken by many

but just thought you might like to know that one irrelevant person here thinks it's bang on.

Can one be offended at the idea, in the hypothetical scenario, of a woman being told to bow to a man because it would be based on the woman's implied inherent inferiority, and totally disregard the fact that in the real scenario Obama is a man? Race, sex and class do make for a confusing mix, but one really can't focus on one in Scenario A and disregard it entirely in Scenario B.


I also just wanted to point out that the expression "bow down" was used nowhere in the original item, although it morphed into that in a few places here.

"Bow", in this context, clearly means "step aside" and no more. "Bow to" = "step aside for". Period. Stepping aside has often been accompanied by a slight bend at the waist, indicating, yes, recognition that the person being bowed to deserves to go first in a particular situation.

People can deserve to go first in a situation for quite a host of reasons having nothing to do with their race. To equate what was said with an instruction to "bow down", i.e. engage in a blanket recognition of superiority and admission of inferiority, is the purest equivocation.


I find both Clinton and Obama horrible, in different ways, although of course not nearly as horrible as the alternative to either. I'm rather glad I don't have to choose between them. But then the choice of the next US president will likely have at least as much effect on me as on most people doing the voting, so I tend to have opinions. On questions like this, they tend to be relatively non-partisan, disliking both of them as I do ...

[rodeodance]

92. go and concoct up an article to that effect---we need more OUTRAGE on this board

[redqueen]

No shit!

:crazy:

[Orsino]

74. Obama has shown himself completely unfit to win an election...

...by winning more delegates than Clinton. He should gracefully pull out of the race now, before he disgraces himself with further victories.

:rofl:

[woolldog]

81. lol

well said

[mculator]

85. You say something wise and expect to convey sarcasm? The irony is overwhelming

[Jed Dilligan]

80. Roseanne needs a better ghostwriter, the prose here is shit. nt

[anigbrowl]

82. "Premiere Hillary"?

With friends like these, she can't lose.

[bigtree]

104. you want to run the Farrakan endorsement speech?

[SoonerPride]

105. Will HRC reject and denoundce Roseanne?

no,

[bigtree]

109. why should she? She has access to a dictionary

if she can't recall the meaning of 'bow'

bow

Function: verb

definition: to cease from competition or resistance : submit, yield

[anigbrowl]

176. I don't recall it saying anything like 'bow down to the man'.

But if you think Roseanne and Luois Frrakhan are of about the same political significance, I agree.

[bigtree]

179. fringe supporters?

of course, in that their comments are their own responsibility, not the candidates'.

[zulchzulu]

84. Yeah...listen to a fatshit crackhead giving advice

Who knew that scum like Roseanne would be for Hillary?

:rofl:

[WinkyDink]

100. Are you on crack?

[WinkyDink]

101. And you're the epitome of beauty, right? (Why waste a dupe post?)

[whatchamacallit]

87. I think her rendition of the national anthem is better

:eyes:

[sdfernando]

88. Roseann lost me at the 1st paragraph. n/t

[Mooney]

96. Roseanne is still alive? n/t

[eissa]

99. Roseanne Barr?

Seriously? Roseanne? I can respect certain celebrity Hillary-supporters like Rob Reiner and America Ferrera. But Roseanne? Eeewww.

[WinkyDink]

103. Why "eeewww"?

[eissa]

107. I just find her to be.....

....ummmm, how does one say this nicely? A few fries short of a happy meal. There are some Obama supporters that might make me cringe a little, so I obviously wouldn't post some inarticulate rant by them. If Roseanne was on our side, she would definitely fall in that category.

[burythehatchet]

102. I'll bow to Hillary

with my back to her and my trousers akimbo.

[elixir]

106. Great post, great picture. Thank you.

[SoonerPride]

108. "Know your place" yes, that's just sweet

ain't it?

[bigtree]

110. those are your own sick words

from your own disturbed posts.

NOWHERE does Barr say ANY of that in her post.

bow

Function: verb

definition: to cease from competition or resistance : submit, yield

[bigtree]

112. silly Friday stuff

Roseanne was rather lucid and on point.

(anything to post a pic)

[awaysidetraveler]

113. Bigtree, are you like... for Obama now?

Because the idea that Obama would quit when he's winning the race doesn't seem like anything other than baiting.

http://www.slate.com/features/delegatecounter/

Count it yourself, any way you like. But do count it out.

[bigtree]

114. It's just a Roseanne Barr post I've forwarded here. It was so lucid that I plucked it up.

make your comments. I may not endorse the entire post, though, I like her spirit.

Oh, and I'm not really sure how this race will shake out. Folks are still voting.

[NJSecularist]

115. She does have somewhat of a point...

...in that Hillary's base in the primaries is a required base for Obama to win over if he wants to win the presidency.

But she does it in such an offensive and entitled way that nobody is going to take her seriously.

Imagine if an Obama supporter wrote an article titled "Hillary: Go Back to the Kitchen". Imagine how much of an uproar the usual suspects who accuse anybody and everybody of sexism would be in?

[bigtree]

120. have you EVER seen her when she wasn't abrasive and curt?

and, you've stretched the meaning of bow into your own discrimination-oriented interpretation.

bow

Function: verb

definition: to cease from competition or resistance : submit, yield

[NJSecularist]

124. So if somebody created an article entitled "Hillary: Go Back to the Kitchen!"

You wouldn't be offended, right?

:eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes:

Yeah right, you and many others would be the first people crying wolf. Accusing others of sexism and misogny.

There's a double standard on this forum and I've noticed it.

[bigtree]

126. That's not at all the inference from the article. You've completely distorted her intention and word

bow

Function: verb

definition: to cease from competition or resistance : submit, yield

[NJSecularist]

129. Bullcrap!!!

That hasn't stopped you and many others who cry wolf every time somebody says something negative about Hillary from distorting their words and intentions and accusing them of sexism and misogny.

You want to play semantics now but if somebody created an article entitled "Hillary: Bow Down to Obama"... the women on this forum would be in fucking UPROAR.

It's a BS double standard.

[bigtree]

132. Well, you've failed the first level of credibility by misstating her words

the title and refrain is bow to the woman (not bow down to the woman, as I misstated above), clearly in this context . . .

bow

Function: verb

definition: to cease from competition or resistance : submit, yield

You don't have any credibility when you just make shit up, and then, condemn folks for your own invention.

[NJSecularist]

148. It's pretty obvious what bow means in this case

But if you want to play strawman in this instance, that is fine with me. Keep spinning.

[bigtree]

153. You are the one who brough race into your argument, YOU are exploiting Obama's race

. . . not Barr.

[lame54]

116. I've never thought Rosanne was the least bit funny, but...

That was hilarious

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[bigtree]

121. about time

clue: comedienne

[lame54]

136. ?????????

:shrug:

[barack the house]

119. HRC `has really tried to distort percpetion. She is trailing you don't win form 2nd place.

[bigtree]

123. the Comeback . . .

you know.

[Elidor]

122. I wonder how an article titled "Bow to the Man" would go over

I'm thinking it would rightly be reviled.

[bigtree]

125. discriminatory content toward males is widespread and universally tolerated

. . . no matter how offensive. But, in this case . . .

bow

Function: verb

definition: to cease from competition or resistance : submit, yield

proper usage and context

[NJSecularist]

131. Why the double standard?

Why is discriminatory content toward males widespread and universally tolerated and discriminatory content towards females not?

I have the answer... everybody needs to grow some thicker skin!!!!!!!

[Elidor]

149. It's not "bow" that offends, although that adds to it

It's "woman." It would be one thing to say, "Step aside for Clinton." But somehow her gender is an integral part of what he's supposed to submit to? Submit to the woman? Wtf? It's clumsy and it's stupid. So, for that matter, is that blowhard Roseanne.

[susankh4]

130. Very nice!

Thank you.

And thanks, Roseanne!

[bigtree]

135. she's fired up!

jumped into the fray for Hillary Clinton.

a great deal of passion in HC's base of support

[NorthernSpy]

134. AAAAAAAANNNNDDD that tears it. Hillary will never get my vote, no matter what.

Bow to the woman? The frontrunner is the "spoiler"? And this nasty little shrieker has the nerve to invoke Martin Luther King, of all people, as the reason why Barack has to go to the end of the line -- even though he's ahead because WE put him there?


I've said many times that I hate Hillary Clinton. But I've never said that I won't vote for whichever Dem we nominate. I'm used to holding my nose in the voting booth and thinking of the greater good. But this tears it.


I will never vote for Hillary Clinton. "Bow to the woman" is the last straw for me. I'm done.

[bigtree]

143. it took a comedienne's post?

how silly. Should I react the same to all of the posts and prattle from Obama supporters? You folks are outrage junkies (or pushers)

[Starbucks Anarchist]

139. Bow down to the one who's losing?

:rofl:

It's an election, not a goddamn coronation.

[redqueen]

146. Nobody told Hillary...

"So I'm in it for the long run. It's not a very long run. It will be over by February 5."

[Edgewater_Joe]

140. Tell that bitter old C*** to Go To Hell

And take Hillary with her.

[ulysses]

142. "bow"? fucking "bow"???

I like your dictionary addition at the end, because "submit" is so much better.

Fucking hell. There's no end to it, is there?

[redqueen]

144. Submit is not much better... IMO.

Imagine if someone said to Hillary that she should "submit" to the man.

:wtf:

This place would go NUKE-YOU-LAR!

[ulysses]

151. no, it isn't.

This place would go NUKE-YOU-LAR!

It hasn't already?

[redqueen]

154. Hehehe... point taken.

more nuke-you-lar, maybe?

Hehehe, remember last time?

SKULL AND BOOOOOOONES!

[ulysses]

156. y'know, I wish I could find the story again, but

I read once that one of Woodrow Wilson's aides at the Versailles conference, in despair at how the negotiations were turning out, said something to the effect of, "I'm going to go sit on the beach and watch the world go to hell".

I feel like that when I read GD: P.

[redqueen]

159. I've been feeling like that since early last year.

:hug:

*sigh*

[bigtree]

167. really cute and innocent though to come on here with your accusations of racism

where there isn't any at all. I think the trumped up accusations are as ugly as overt racism. Hug that.

[redqueen]

169. Where did I say it was racism? I think you're getting confused

as to whom you're replying to.

Oh, is this Clinton Camp Projection (TM)?

Everything leveled at her is "sexist", so y'all think anything we object to, it's cause we think it's "racist"? Is that it?

:P

[bigtree]

181. Oh, innocent again. Fine. I don't really give a shit any more.

I've blown my top.

[redqueen]

183. "I've blown my top."

Clearly.

[bigtree]

188. hey, I stick around and defend my posts

at least.

[redqueen]

191. Yup!

Glad your top is back on. :)

[bigtree]

160. then that would be an issue of gender, not race. That completely blows your argument to pieces

You can't take the word and transfer the racial slur you're alleging to a gender slur. They are two different issues. And, SUBMIT was NOT used by Barr, That's another one of your OWN inventions.

[ulysses]

163. "And, SUBMIT was NOT used by Barr, That's another one of your OWN inventions."

You put it in your OP.

[redqueen]

164. Why does it matter what kind of slur it is? It's offensive every which way.

:crazy:

[bigtree]

177. only to die hard Obama supporters

to every one else it means for him to yield his candidacy and become her vice-president. That's what's offended folks and Obama's race is being exploited to defend against the notion.

[redqueen]

182. Your fervent spin on this is no more convincing than

your fervent spin about her saying McCain is more qualified for the WH than Obama.

[bigtree]

185. heh, not to you, obviously.

. . . or any committed Obama supporter.

I really don't expect any less from you than full support for your candidate, from your heart. And, you'd be mistaken if you thought for a moment that I haven't sincerely considered your opinion as sincere and relevant. I wouldn't feel alive if there weren't folks around to disagree with me.

By the way, I only write what I actually believe. Anything else is just a waste of time for me.

[redqueen]

189. Right on.

:hug:

[bigtree]

145. *yet, the inference was not 'submit', it was 'to cease from competition or resistance'

. . . no matter how you want to spin it to fit your 'outrage'

[ulysses]

147. are you truly so addled

that you can't see that a white woman telling a black man to "bow" is, at best, freakishly stupid?

[bigtree]

155. I'm black. I don't see it at all. I've never, in my 47 years heard 'bow' used in a racial context.

I have heard it used in a political context. You have absolutely no standing to judge my life's perspective. Maybe you could provide ONE example to support your invention. I seriously doubt it.

[ulysses]

158. are you a stand-in for the experience of all African-Americans?

You have absolutely no standing to judge my life's perspective.

Hello? This isn't about your "life's perspective", it's about the language.

You answered my question, though, so thanks.

[bigtree]

162. NO NO. YOU can't find ONE reference to BOW as a racial slur.

Not ONE. In MY life experience I haven't heard it AT ALL. You need to either prove your assertion or get off of it.

[ulysses]

165. I'm not looking for one.

You have the need for it, not me.

You need to either prove your assertion or get off of it.

How about I continue to call them as I see them? Works for me.

[bigtree]

170. bullshit, YOU are the one accusing someone of a racial slur

you need to prove it or get off of it.

[ulysses]

171. I'm actually not.

I'm accusing Barr of being freakishly stupid, not a racist.

[bigtree]

175. well, that's understandable

[redqueen]

168. ...

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLG,GGLG:2005-29,GGLG:en&q=racist+bow+to

[bigtree]

174. uh uh. you didn't find shit

one reference to some white guys talking back and forth and references to 'bow down' . . . not what was said by Barr.

This is a crock of shit.

[THUNDER HANDS]

157. no need to watch BSG anymore, we know who the 6th cylon is

[Hieronymus]

161. She sounds like the typical Hillary supporter. It's all about a woman....

winning ... sexist.

[GarbagemanLB]

194. Hillary has her last name and the fact that she is a woman. Those two facts ensure a cult following

[democrattotheend]

166. Which state did Clinton get 30% of African Americans in?

I wasn't aware she broke 20% anywhere.

And a lot of the groups cited here as the "soul of the Democratic party", such as white working class voters and baby boomers, actually voted for Bush in 2004.

[NC_Nurse]

172. Looks like she has the washed-up nutcase vote.

Damn. :o

[TexasLady]

178. oh well

I still watch her reruns! Funny Lady!
:rofl:

[Genevieve]

193. whoa - she sounds delusional!

[Apollo11]

195. I will take Roseanne re-runs over Oprah's show any day of the week.

In the future, historians will study "Roseanne" DVDs as valuable records of working-class life and blue-collar culture in the US mid-west back in the 1980s. All the writers were from the mid-west, to prevent any inaccurate cultural influences from the East and West coasts.

Oprah's show is a celebration of materialism, narcissism and celebrity culture, as far as I know (haven't watched it for a very long time).

Roseanne's article mentions most of Hillary's main strengths, but I guess it was never intended as a serious effort to persuade Obama's hardcore supporters to consider switching sides.

[krkaufman]

196. Wow, she's really pushing the envelope of partisan ignorance ...

... to the point of a Bushie. One of a new bread of 20%ers, the Hillarites.