The "monster" story just proof the BO campaign is infused with irrational hatred

[DemGa]

Let's face it: BO ran on Hillary's "negatives" -- attempting to profit from right-wing generated slander against a fellow Democrat -- a clear case of treachery.

Funny how the "new politics" so closely resembles the right-wing attacks of the nineties. But this "monster" story is good for Hillary, as it further reveals the fraud that is the Obama "hope and change movement." We see the hatred truly coming from the "top down."

So do you see Obamas? Your ridiculous hatred of Hillary Clinton is working AGAINST you. Too funny.

[alphafemale]

1. excuse me but...huh?

Could you rephrase that coherently?

[grantcart]

13. well i hate it when you can't tell if it is an opinion or parody or is it a

spoof?

[Hawkeye-X]

2. Care to rephrase the entire thread?

What you said made absolutely no sense... it's like.. babbling.

[Josiah1982]

3. The "monster' story does expose the Obama camp for the fraud it is.eom

[tabatha]

7. Samantha Powers

is an outstanding woman, who once backed Wes Clark.

[Josiah1982]

27. "outstanding" woman who called another woman a monster. on the record.

she effed up. she's not as 'outstanding' as you might think.

[tabatha]

42. Yes, she is.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/marc-cooper/clinton-genocide-and-a-c_b_90436.html

[Josiah1982]

44. obama forced her to resign. She brought herself shame and she served some to Obama.

good job.:rofl:

[tabatha]

71. Nope not on Obama.

People may actually look a little closer at Samantha Power and see that she walks the walk in comparison to Clinton.

[Gore1FL]

84. As opposed to Wolfson, Pennand Ickes

who instead of resigning for repeated idiocy, keep gifting Clinton with new daily shame.

[Orangepeel]

52. She's a hell of lot closer to outstanding than Howard "Ken Starr" Wolfson

The Clinton campaign being "shocked" that an adviser of the opposing campaign saying something offensive is rich given some of the sleazbags who work for her.

Powers did "eff up," although "monster" doesn't seem like a particularly offensive thing to call an opponent. It's hardly indicative of irrational hatred.

She also apologized and resigned, which is a classy thing to do if you "eff up."

[mrreowwr_kittty]

58. Hillary Clinton called the women who accused her husband of harassment "trash"

She is not the feminist paragon her supporters think she is.

[knixphan]

73. if there's video of that...

someone should post it on youtube.

Or any of Hill's name-calling.

[Tarc]

29. Powers is a poisonous little shitheel

Who was thankfully shown the door.

[tabatha]

41. Do you know anything about her?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/marc-cooper/clinton-genocide-and-a-c_b_90436.html

[rodeodance]

46. see my post downstream--

[tabatha]

72. speaking truth

she is used to fighting against the less noble qualities of humans

[The_Casual_Observer]

4. That's extreme, it's more like it's infused with rookies.

"off the record" what an idiot.

[anamandujano]

14. Irrational hating lazy@ss rookies, who find it too hard to think up positives on BO, so

they have to play it this way, just like Repukes.

"off the record" the incident was planned but backfired.

[The_Casual_Observer]

21. They can't even engineer a good slam. Imagine those jerks trying to

get us out of this recession?

[dionysus]

26. pssst, captain reality....we're winning........... you're losing....

[anamandujano]

32. If you, and the BO campaign really thought so, we would be discussing

other things.

Think about it.

[DemBones DemBones]

60. You got it. nt

[The_Casual_Observer]

56. Winning what?

[dionysus]

63. the most states, the most delegates... surely you're not that daft...

[susankh4]

50. Or, deal with Mr. McCain's team

for that matter.

[anonymous171]

5. Keep on mentioning the 90's.

It gets her TONS of votes. :sarcasm:

[angie_love]

6. I don't think Obama is reading your post...

[smiley_glad_hands]

8. Ridiculous hatred?

She's the one endorsing repugs over dems. She's the one describing another dem as Ken Starr like. The only hate I see is coming from you and Hill.

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

9. Everywhere you said "Obama" put "Hillary" and vice versa.

Then your post will both make sense, and be perfectly true.

[polichick]

10. Exactly!

[DemBones DemBones]

62. Wow, Obamaniacs are descending to the "am not, you are" level of

argument. Most people grow out of that by age 5.

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

69. A childish argument deserves a childish answer.

As you have proven yourself.

[knixphan]

74. but, conversely

most democrats don't endorse republican candidates.

[John Q. Citizen]

11. People don't like Hillary. A very large number of Dems can't stand her. That's why it's a race.

And independents even like her less.

Ask your self this?

Why is Hillary having such a difficult time getting the nomination?

The answer is a whole hell of a lot of Democrats don't like her. They didn't like her before they knew who Barack Obama was.

If she steals this, she won't win the GE.

Bookmark this thread. You heard it here first.

[anamandujano]

18. That's why Dems vote for her and BO wins his states with Repuke crossovers.

The facts are there.

This will weigh heavily at the brokered convention, unless we don't need one because BO drops out due to one of his scandals imploding the campaign.

[movonne]

31. Oh honey get a grip...please..and I wouldn't be so happy about

scandals destroying someone...that could be a prescription for karma..

[anamandujano]

34. I'm a happy person, what can I say, except that I have a grip.

Unfortunately for karma, I don't have any scandals in my immediate vicinity. I've been trying to join one for years. No dice. I live the clean but relatively boring life.

:shrug:

[movonne]

37. Maybe hillary has some big, great big scandals in her past...that's

the karma I was talking about.....

[John Q. Citizen]

33. I've been a registered Dem since I turned 21. Back in the early 70's. I don't like her.

I didn't like her before I knew Barack from beans.

Why hasn't she rolled over Barack?

It's because a whole lot of Dems don't like her.

It's true that some Dems do like her. But a whole lot don't. And if you think she's changing that perception, you are very wrong.

So good luck.

[DemBones DemBones]

64. So? I've been a Dem longer than you and I can't stand Obama because

he's a bald-faced liar and a smug, self-serving egomaniac.

[RaleighNCDUer]

38. Lets not forget to mention that the Dems that don't like her, don't

like her for entirely different reasons than those for which the Republicans don't like her.

THAT is why her negatives have been, and remain, high. We can expect the Republicans to not like our candidates. But when a significant number of Dems ALSO don't like that candidate, there is no way that candidate can win.

Which is exactly how Hillary is destroying our chances for this election - she won't be satisfied until Obama has negatives among Dems to match her own.

[DemBones DemBones]

65. Obama has very high negatives among Dems already.

I'll vote third party before I'll vote for that windbag. I can make myself vote for Hillary Clinton because she's competent and she's the most progressive person still in the race, which is sad but true.

[RaleighNCDUer]

90. Just where do you see her 'competence'?

Not in her campaign, certainly.

As for 'progressive' you can only say that if you ignore her neo-dem military and economic imperialism, which I just can't reconcile with the concept of 'progressive'.

[Voice for Peace]

12. LOL nt it's the Weird Mirror Phenomenon.

[bowens43]

15. You're completely delusional.

[woolldog]

16. not irrational hatred

legitimate hatred, through watching the way she's conducted herself in this campaign.

[Iceburg]

22. Rationalizing hate ... another new low for the Obama supporters.

[woolldog]

35. Hey given that I've gone from

neutral or slightly positive feelings for her to downright disgust at her dirty, divisive, and shameless tactics, I can understand that folks at the top of the Obama campaign would feel 10x as strongly about it as I do.

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[DemBones DemBones]

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[Raffi Ella]

19. Ah,yes, great analysis DemGa.

Ironic anyway you look at it really.Obama has dissed Our Party by dissing The Clintons from the very beginning.

He hasn't run on issues or what he can do for America,no,he's run against The Clintons,capitalized on right wing hatred and used the all too easy divide and conquer technique.I have to give him credit,it worked and campaigning is a dirty bussiness but the IRONY just kills me;Hope!Unity!LOL.oh god.

His supporter's fell for it hook line and sinker and their behavior speaks volumes about the true nature of his campaign.

But he was not strong enough to overcome the overwhelming love and support Hillary truly has in America.The Truth is in Ohio and N.H. and Florida and Californa and PA! The battleground States just love our girl... :evilgrin:

[Steeler1623]

20. I think it's pretty rational to hate someone who wants the Michigan delegates to count

even though she was the only one on the ballot. It was at that point when I actually started hating her- before that it was just disdain.

[dionysus]

23. it will be better once the thorazine kicks in... trust us...

[Mooney]

24. This isn't even coherent.

I mean seriously, this is a joke, right?

[ProSense]

25. What do Hillary's lies prove? n/t

[ElsewheresDaughter]

28. I concur

[Seabiscuit]

30. Irrational Hatred is a good word for it.

I can say that I'm neither a Hillary or Obama supporter and will support either in the GE, but the irrational hatred thrown constantly at Hillary is even beyond the pale (DU GDP is a good place to see it, although I still think a lot of them are trolls). Hillary deals with this crap everyday, yet she gets up every morning, meets with her supporters and campaigns with a smile on her face. The press is trying to take her down, the rightwing is trying to take her down and Obama is trying to take her down yet she's still standing (insert Elton John's song here - "I'm still standing"). You have to admire that. Obama has gotten some hits but not the "irrational hatred" kind, frankly I don't think he would even be able to handle it. Have you seen Obama's face lately, the man has aged over this campaign and has this worried expression even when campaigning to his crowds. I think Obama would be a breath of fresh air in some ways, but could he handle the GE? I have serious doubts in so many ways.

[dansolo]

77. The hatred towards Obama is far more irrational

I don't like Hillary because of her long history of questionable behavior. But all I hear every day from Clinton supporters is projection onto Obama the exact things that she is guilty of, and how Obama is a fraud and a deceiver. You may feel that Obama is inexperienced, and may not be able to win against McCain. That is perfectly legitimate concern. But the venom spewed on here is much darker than that. It's as if you feel like she is somehow entitled to the nomination, and that it is a personal affront to her any anyone who supports her that anyone would dare challenge her.

[MadAndy]

36. What's irrational about hating Bill Clinton's wife? He does.

[DemBones DemBones]

57. That's a stupid thing to say, not to mention ugly.

This is not the "Hate Hillary Clinton" site, though some seem confused about that.

[faithfulcitizen]

39. Actually, I think the hatred is very rational.

[TexasLady]

40. I thought the Monster story was over. Every few minutes

there's a smear du jour. Cant we just wait for that?
and no I dont hate Hillary. Im gonna have to put that in my siggie I guess.

[RBInMaine]

43. This was ONE person, NOT full time staff, and YOU are SILLY.

It is SILLY to extrapolate one statement from one part-time adviser to everyone. And, she is now GONE and the campaign has denounced her bad statement. So kindly use your brain. A guy in the Clinton camp a while back sought to use Obama's llllllllong past drug use as political hay and was fired for that. A union Hillary backer in Ohio said in a pre-rally speech that Obama supporters were "latte-drinking trust fund babies." Did Hillary denounce that????? It was RUDE and NASTY and STUPID. No comment from the Hillary camp on that one I guess. STOP BEING HYPOCRITICAL !!

[susankh4]

48. If someone in Hill's camp said this about Barack .....

you'd want Hillary to be removed from the party. The double standard is bewildering, to say the least.

[frylock]

51. the only thing worse would be to call someone ken starr..

hopefully nobody resorts to that.

[rodeodance]

45. she said more than just 'monster"--here is her rant in full:

Forum Name General Discussion: Primaries
Topic subject She Said This:
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4949192#4949903
4949903, She Said This:
Posted by Crisco on Fri Mar-07-08 12:32 PM

"We f***** up in Ohio," she admitted. "In Ohio, they are obsessed and Hillary is going to town on it, because she knows Ohio's the only place they can win.

"She is a monster, too – that is off the record – she is stooping to anything," Ms Power said, hastily trying to withdraw her remark.

"Interestingly, the people in her innermost circle seem to not mind her; I think they really love her."

But she added: "There is this middle circle – they are really on the warpath. But the truth is she has proved herself really willing to stoop."

In recent TV appearances Mrs Clinton had looked desperate and on the back foot.

Ms Power agreed, and said: "Here, it looks like desperation. I hope it looks like desperation there too.

"You just look at her and think: ergh. But if you are poor and she is telling you some story about how Obama is going to take your job away, maybe it will be more effective. The amount of deceit she has put forward is really unattractive."

That's the from the original story, which Google has taken out of their cache, where it was just 15 minutes ago.

http://209.85.207.104/search?q=cache:5rz2yHwoE-wJ:thescotsman.scotsman.com/world/Inside-US-poll-battle-as.3854371.jp+%22But+if+you+are+poor+and+she+is+telling+you+some+story+about+how+Obama%22+site:scotsman.com&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us&client=firefox-a

[susankh4]

47. The classism is despicable.....

Pure elitism.

[Lucinda]

49. I missed the "they are obsessed " part before... Who is obsessed? Ohio

voters? Obsessed with their economic condition? I think they should be. Doesn't the Obama campaign?

[susankh4]

53. Damn straight they are

And it ain't just Ohio.

[rodeodance]

54. or she was talking of Hillary supporters/campaign?--or voters? i do not know.

[susankh4]

59. Here's the elitist part

"But if you are poor and she is telling you some story about how Obama is going to take your job away, maybe it will be more effective."

The people who gave Hill her victory in OH are worried about their financial stability.... and many of them may be poor. But this insinuation that they are "poor and therefore stupid" is over the top. This is a perfect example of why union folk do not trust the liberal elite.

[rodeodance]

80. poor is linked with uneducated by some obamafolk here on DU!!

[RaleighNCDUer]

94. Now THAT is classism -

to automatically link poverty with intelligence.

She is capitalizing on their poverty because it makes them vulnerable to any snake oil salesman who says she's going to improve their condition. It has nothing to do with them being stupid, and everything to do with them being desperate.

She's walking a NAFTA tightwire, because she supported NAFTA for years, called it a "victory" in her book, but it hurt her base in Ohio so now she has to condemn it, but she can't condemn it too strongly because that will piss off Canada, and she can't quite get the concept that the only way to "fix" NAFTA is to scrap it, and replace it with two separate agreements with Mexico and Canada.

Isn't it interesting how her policies change depending on who she's talking to?

[Lucinda]

61. Sounds like the voters to me because of this part:

"In Ohio, they are obsessed and Hillary is going to town on it, because she knows Ohio's the only place they can win.

So it sounds like the voters in general to me, and she's saying that's why they voted for her.

[rodeodance]

81. yes. i think you are right--after taking a second look.

[frylock]

55. oh, well in that case..

BFD.

[DemBones DemBones]

68. Yeah, she only insulted all Ohio voters, especially the poor, saying

they were "obsessed" and implying they were stupid. It's pretty obvious who is obsessed, and her initials are S.P.

[stevietheman]

67. In reality, Obama's quick response helps him! n/t

n/t

[DemBones DemBones]

70. About your sigline:

This tired GOP claim about "Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton" totally ignores the reality that Hillary Rodham was born and raised a Rodham and didn't meet Bill Clinton until she was in law school at the same time he was.

She didn't marry him until six years after she graduated from college and would probably still be called Hillary Rodham today had she not had the misfortune of having to contend with people in Arkansas (probably all Republicans) who couldn't stand the idea of a woman not taking her husband's name. She took his name because keeping her maiden name was hurting his career and she loves him. Now she's being pilloried for taking his surname. It just proves that women cannot win in this society.

She is not related to him by blood. G.W. Bush is the son of G.H.W. Bush and raised in the Bush home.

You can bet that the GOP will be touting another Bush as soon as one is ready to run again. THEY didn't mind having Bush fils run, it was like he owned the nomination before the race started, and THEY only invented this whine to try to help McCain win. Democrats shouldn't be using GOP talking points.

It is especially lame when someone says "All my life a Bush or a Clinton has been president so I want a change." Apparently such people, who are only 19 or 20 if they were actually born during Bush I's one term, can't remember that things were better during the Clinton years (when they were between 4 and 12) and are willing to allow a Bush-like Republican, McCain, to win this year. Obama cannot beat McCain.

[stevietheman]

79. I am 41 so your theory falls apart. n/t

n/t

[jlake]

75. Yep, the campaign is filled with hate. Obama keeps it under wraps, but

Michelle has definitely shown what an angry and hateful person she is...... the whole campaign is based on hating Hillary.
Power's comments were VERY reflective of the world view of team Obama.

[Bright Eyes]

76. "attempting to profit from right-wing generated slander "

Pot, meet kettle....

[shadowknows69]

78. Can I please have some of the drugs y'all are taking

[LulaMay]

82. Couldn't agree more.

[VotesForWomen]

83. yep; it's scary that O folks think they represent "changing the tone" and "unity" and what have you.

[sendero]

85. Dream on..

... Obama is still going to win, and the way's HRC's acting, he's not even going to offer her the VP slot :)

[Political Heretic]

86. I notice that DemGA hasn't been back since the OP

That is typically indicative of a flamebait troll thread in my book.

[JimGinPA]

87. There's Absolutely Nothing Irrational About My Hatred Of HRC

I've given the matter a lot of thought, especially in the recent weeks. My initial impression of her was pretty negative, but I really came to support Bill so I gave her the benefit of doubt. I've come to the realization my first impression was correct. She is as evil as she is phony.

[AtomicKitten]

88. Nah, it's rational hatred.

[Guava Jelly]

89. I don't hate her

Do you hate Obama?

[MoonRiver]

91. Fish rot from the head. n/t

[krkaufman]

92. Quite a delusional post, when judged against reality

Hillary's negatives are limited to Right Wing slander? Really? Rush Limbaugh forced Hillary to vote for war against Iraq? Sean Hannity forced Hillary to support war-mongering against Iran?

One adviser to Obama calls Hillary a "monster", and is asked to resign. Top Clinton campaign manager Wolfson likens Obama to a monster and Hillary, herself, supports the statement.

At least some Dems are still operating in the reality-based community.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

93. you have 'the wrong end of the stick'