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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 03:00 PM
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In 1992, a man with ZERO Foreign Policy experience was elected president.
Edited on Fri Mar-07-08 03:09 PM by bvar22
He also had ZERO Military Experience.

He had ZERO experience at International Diplomacy.

He had much LESS experience than Obama in the operation of the Federal Government.

Bill Clinton did a pretty good job in these areas despite having much less experience than John McCain.

"Experience" is overrated.

Good Judgment is much more important.

Obama had the good judgment to OPPOSE the Invasion of Iraq.

I'm betting on Good Judgment.
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 03:02 PM
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1. factual error: He didn't vote against the IWR.
He wasn't in office, so couldn't vote against it. I do give him credit for speaking out against it though.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 03:06 PM
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4. Thanks
Edited and corrected.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 03:02 PM
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2. He didn't meet Hillary's "Commander-In-Chief" threshold. Especially
not against war hero Bush The Elder. Hillary must not think Bill was qualified.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 03:57 PM
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20. By her criteria, she HAD to vote for Poppy.
Principled as she is.
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 03:02 PM
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3. He didn't tout his foreign policy experience as critical to voters, I bet. nt
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 03:08 PM
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6. "It's the economy, stupid."
That's how James Carville famously summed up the 1992 election. You're not stupid.
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eissa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 03:07 PM
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5. Thank you!
That's what I've been arguing with my Hillary-supporting friends. Bill ran as the man who believed "in a place called Hope" against a sitting president with loads of "experience." In fact, his lack of experience was thrown at him constantly by the repukes, not to mention his women problems and some issues with things his wife would say on the campaign trail (sound familiar?) I can't believe how quickly they forgot all that (or were hoping we'd forget.)
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 03:13 PM
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7. "I can't believe how quickly they forgot all that (or were hoping we'd forget.)"
You can bet that the GOP won't let us forget come the autumn. They won't have any qualms about playing the "I love the 90's" game.
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buff2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 03:23 PM
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9. And then Obama steals the "hope" thingy
and calls it his own.He must not think Bill is so bad. Why can't you people see through this guy?
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 03:49 PM
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17. Thats OK. Hillary stole the "Its personal for me"...
the day after it worked so well for Edwards.
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Metta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 03:21 PM
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8. He still has no foreign policy experience and is still a zero.

Or, less than zero. Happy karma, George.
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AlGore-08.com Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 03:25 PM
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10. He also ran against a nutso 3rd party candidate who quit, got back in, & still got 19% of the vote
Each race is unique, but 1992 does not prove that "experience doesn't matter". It only proves that Clinton won in 1992. And he did not win by a landslide.

Clinton won the electoral college, but he did not win the majority of voters in most states. He only got over 50% in D.C. and Arkansas. He carried four states with less than 40% of their popular vote.

Here's the popular vote percentage from the states Clinton won:

 84.64% D. C.
 53.21% Arkansas
 49.80% Maryland
49.73% New York
 48.58% Illinois
 48.09% Hawaii
 47.54% Massachusetts
 46.01% California
 45.58% Louisiana
 44.55% Kentucky
 44.07% Missouri
 43.77% Michigan
 43.52% Delaware
 43.48% Minnesota
 43.47% Georgia
 43.29% Iowa
 42.21% Connecticut
 40.13% Colorado
 38.91% New Hampshire
 38.77% Maine
 37.63% Montana
 37.36% Nevada
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 03:31 PM
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12. The OP is NOT about winning the election.
It IS about the ability to perform the duties of the Office of the President.

The OP refutes the basic argument of the Hillary campaign......that her "Experience" (whatever it is) will make her or McCain a better president than Obama.

Bill Clinton's presidency exposes the FLAW in Hillary's campaign on "Experience".
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newfie4 Donating Member (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 03:30 PM
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11. It was a different era
Desert Storm was a distant memory by that election, foreign policy experience was not as critical.
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 03:33 PM
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13. It was a different time and a different place
Foreign policy experience wasn't nearly as important as it is now.

Let's no compare Bill's experience to that of Barack's.... Bill was the governor of Arkansas for 8 years.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 03:47 PM
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15. Foreign Policy was NOT as important in the 90s?
Please tell us more.

*Iraq sanctions

*Palestine/Israel

*Chaos and genocide in the Balkans

*Chaos in the collapsing Soviet Union / loose Nukes

*Increasing Worldwide Terror attacks/ Terror attacks on the USA.

*Nuclear armed Pakistan, Korea

The only reason that Foreign Policy may seem more important today is that our Foreign Policy has been run for 8 years by "Experienced" lunatics .
McCain, whose "experience" was praised by Hillary, has pledged to continue these insane policies.

"Experience" ?
Rumsfeld, Cheney, Pearle, Wolfowitz ALL have a great deal of Foreign Policy "experience", just like the man Hillary endorsed (McCain) over Obama.

I'll still take good judgment.
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BlueStater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 03:35 PM
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14. Foreign policy wasn't as big an issue in 1992
And fuck Obama and his "good judgment". He was a little-known politician from a blue state who has absolutely nothing to lose by opposing the war. I'm certainly not about to coronate him president because of that.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 03:54 PM
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18. Bill Clinton was a little know politician of a small, backward state,
and he did OK.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 03:48 PM
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16. Yeah, well... that's... um... different!
:crazy:
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 03:56 PM
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19. ZERO military experience is not technically true. He managed to DODGE the draft..surely that should.
...count as SOME military experience right?
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 03:58 PM
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21. Yeah - but he didn't inhale n/t
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