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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 05:20 PM
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Hillary Is Tainted By Money From Northern Marianas Islands Sweatshops (where women are enslaved)
Edited on Fri Mar-07-08 05:41 PM by cryingshame
Abramoff’s shadow falls on 2008 Presidential Election.

The Culture of Corruption still fuels the Republican Party. Candidate after candidate lives in the fear of Jack Abramoff’s shadow. They live in the fear that their ties to the scandal will become known.

I’ve been working to make sure that those connections and those stories are uncovered, shared and make their way into the narrative of 2008.

The list is growing. I’ve been talking with some campaigns (and invite others to get in touch). In 2006 we defeated 20 of the Abramoff 65. Of the survivors, most are still on the list for 2008.

They are being joined others.

Three are running for President. Unfortunately, one of them is a Democrat.

Of them all, John McCain is the worst. His Cover-up of the Abramoff scandal is a crime against America. I recently wrote about this in a Dairy (Jack Abramoff: John McCain’s other Lobbyist problem...). See link for details on McCain

Next is Nader- tenuous link at best. See link for details on Nader

Senator Clinton is another matter.

In 1995 she was at a fundraiser on Guam and took $25,000 from the Tan Family for the DNC. It was a mini-scandal at the time and it waits in the wings for the press and the GOP to resurrect if she becomes our nominee.

The Hong Kong based Tan Family is behind most of the worst labor violations and corruption on the Commonwealth of Northern Mariana Islands (CNMI), a US Territory 40 miles north of Guam. Accepting their money ties Senator Clinton to that corruption.


Those who dig a little deeper know about the deep ties between the Republican Party and the Tan Family. They know about more than $250,000 in recorded donations to Republican candidates from Tan Family members, employees and companies between 1996 and 2004. They know about the $223,679 paid by the Tan Family to help Jack maintain his multiple sports arena skyboxes in 2000.

Then there are the funds buried and barely reported that moved from the Tan Family through the Abramoff/DeLay network, such as $1.4 million from the Rose Garden Holding Co. (http://www.dccc.org/stakeholder/archives/004226.html ) and the $2.35 million that flowed through the Tan Family controlled Western Pacific Economic Council.

One could also safely include the $620,000 from the Saipan Garment Manufacturers Association and I firmly believe that the Tan Family was the driving force behind the CNMI Government sending Jack another $8,471,131. And then there is the very odd story of an address in Hong Kong that was used by Team Abramoff, the "Baby Jacks" (like the Alexander Strategy Group) and several other members of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy as a money drop and House of scandal.

The rough total that the Tan Family moved for the GOP through their bagman, Jack Abramoff was over $13.25 million. They used much of this money to fund off-the-books operations like New Hampshire phone jamming and other operations designed to rig elections, "elect" Republicans and support the effort to establish one-Party rule in the USA.

And that is just the surface of what is known.

In 1992, the Tan Family received the largest fine in US Labor Department history, $9 million, for their sweatshops—and it came from the Bush I Administration. The Family’s sweatshops were fined another $1.3 million for other violations (Sweating it out in Saipan is a good overview of the company from the Hong Kong Standard).

When they gave Hillary Clinton $25,000 of soft money in 1995, they were already working with Abramoff. They were trying to get sweatshops established on Guam. After the scandal broke in the press, the Clinton Administration shut down the effort to allow CNMI style sweatshops on Guam. Bill Clinton had been burned by the Tan Family and from that moment, his administration fought to end the abuse on the CNMI. The effort failed in the "noise" of the Impeachment/Ken Starr follies (another Abramoff triumph).

You would think that the Clintons would know exactly who the Tan Family were and why one should avoid them as donors—especially after the Abramoff scandal broke and the Family was mentioned over and over and over again as key players in the bad doings of Jack and his team.

And yet, in 2005, Senator Clinton accepted $10,000 from these well-known sweatshop owners and patrons of Jack Abramoff.

Here is the dirty cash that ties Senator Clinton to sweatshops, labor abuse and Jack Abramoff:

KIM LAM, PEK, Homemaker; 9/30/2005; $2,000
TAN, JOISE, N/A/Homemaker; 10/2/2005; $2,000
TAN, RAYMOND, Luen Thai/President; 9/30/2005; $2,000
TAN, SIU L, Tan Holdings Corp./Chairman; 9/30/2005; $2,000
TAN, WILLIE, Luen Thai/COO; 9/30/2005; $2,000

This is corrupt and dirty money that the Tan Family earned through sweatshops and human trafficking, but there is more.

A few years ago, the Tan Family created a multi-national Corporation, Luen Thai to expand the reach of their business and give it a patina of respectability. They specialize in helping brands "outsource" their textile manufacturing for profits.

The head of Luen Thai USA is a fellow named Richard Helfenbein. Along with his family, he has added another $16,000 of Tan Family money to Senator Clinton’s campaigns.


If I found ANY Republican with these solid connections to the Tan Family, they would be high on the list of the Abramoff connected in any election year. I have never seen the Tan Family give a donation without the expectation of a return on their "investment". Perhaps Senator Clinton is the exception to the rule—but my research has led me to doubt it.

And that places me in a dilemma.

What if she becomes the Nominee of the Democratic Party?

Do I sweep her connection to the corruption under the rug? Shall I pretend not to see it?

I have asked her various campaigns to return or explain this money for almost two years. They do not care—not about this money and not about the victims still suffering on the CNMI. These workers and women are invisible to her.

But she is not alone; they are invisible to most of America. But most American’s have an excuse not to know about the CNMI, Senator Clinton does not.


I hope Barack Obama will become our Nominee. It would be nice to go into November with a Nominee free of Jack Abramoff’s shadow. He can take McCain to task for the Abramoff cover-up and challenge his life-long history of situational "ethics".

Senator Clinton can not.

I wish that Senator Clinton did not have the sweatshop tainted cash. I wish she was not the only Democrat to get money from a Family that moved millions of off-the-books dollars to the GOP through Jack Abramoff.

I wish it was not true, but it is.

As I compile the list of 2008 Candidates connected to Abramoff, I would like to have a Democrat-free list. If Senator Clinton is our Nominee, the list will be a lot of Republicans and one Democrat.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/4/1851/49069/460/468395
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GumboYaYa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 05:23 PM
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1. The atrocities in the Marianas were the final straw that got me to start
really looking at where and how my clothes are made.

I guess sexual slavery is a little thing compared to cluster bombing. It is sad that corporate interests entice democrats to sell out our core principles.
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hueyshort Donating Member (293 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 05:28 PM
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7. Is Obama Really this Desperate?
This stuff is scorched earth . . . on Obama. He is damaging one candidate with this tripe.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 05:32 PM
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12. I thought the post came from DailyKos.
Not Obama.

Stupid commentary.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 05:36 PM
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16. Yeah, who cares about some poor women on an island when Hillary is being picked on!
So glad to have you all around to remind me what my priorities are. :eyes:
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 05:50 PM
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26. Remember, women in Iraq don't matter
Women in the Northern Mariana Islands don't matter, women who lived in America but support Obama don't matter. So basically, only Hillary and female supporters matter when it comes to the suffering of women.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 05:38 PM
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21. This is not Obama - if I have the right name this person
started writing on this this issue well over a year ago essentially begging Clinton to return the money - hoping she was clean.

This is not tripe - how many campaign finance scandals can one Democrat survive in the general election?
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 05:40 PM
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23. This is the work of an activist who's reseached Abramoff/Tam. Link at bottom of page
Fully documented diary from Kos.

And what is in the OP are facts.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 05:53 PM
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27. This shit is going to get the entire congressional delegation of
alaska put into prison for the next few decades. This is such a totally shameful bit of business that no one who is attached to it should be seeing freedom. Including her.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 05:24 PM
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2. Clinton fights for womens rights. Except when it's too hard.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 05:25 PM
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5. hit someone where their strength is. For Hillary it's women.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 05:27 PM
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6. ... or might impede her fundraising.
:eyes: Money, after all, is just "speech" ... right?

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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 05:24 PM
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3. Oof
That's gonna leave a mark.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 05:28 PM
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8. A "mark"?? You mean the McMark of McCain?
:evilgrin:
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 05:25 PM
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4. This is getting disgusting...
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 05:28 PM
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9. I don't expect any candidate to vet each and every dollar that gets donated,
but holding the fundraiser on Guam should have been a tip-off.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 05:29 PM
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10. This needs to make the jump from the blogs to the teevee.
:puke:

Bookmarking. Thanks.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 05:32 PM
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11. you and other DU'ers can help by sending to Olbermann, for instance
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 05:33 PM
Response to Reply #11
14. email addy?
i don't have it saved on my laptop. thx.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 05:36 PM
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18. KOlbermann@msnbc.com
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 05:48 PM
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25. Done - thank you
K&R
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 06:01 PM
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31. No luck for me. My email was returned.
Lately everything I send to Keith or countdown@msnbc.com gets returned. I have no idea why. Hope others have luck.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 05:35 PM
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15. I'll do my part!
:patriot:

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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 05:33 PM
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13. we worry about rezko
she was taking money from these guys the about the same time that obama was. obama has given all the money he knows of. no wonder the republican right wing want hillary they`ll bring this and other stuff.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 05:38 PM
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22. And Rezko fits in your back pocket to be pulled out at will.
One needs a small storage unit to hold all the Clinton dirt. There's so much, it's hard to know where to start.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 05:36 PM
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17. Obama voted FOR the Oman Free Trade Act - How does that make him any better than Clinton?
As did Clinton...

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00190



U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 109th Congress - 2nd Session

as compiled through Senate LIS by the Senate Bill Clerk under the direction of the Secretary of the Senate

Vote Summary

Question: On Passage of the Bill (S.3569 )
Vote Number: 190 Vote Date: June 29, 2006, 03:29 PM
Required For Majority: 1/2 Vote Result: Bill Passed
Measure Number: S. 3569
Measure Title: A bill to implement the United States-Oman Free Trade Agreement.
Vote Counts: YEAs 60
NAYs 34
Not Voting 6
Vote Summary By Senator Name By Vote Position By Home State

Alphabetical by Senator Name
Akaka (D-HI), Nay
Alexander (R-TN), Yea
Allard (R-CO), Yea
Allen (R-VA), Yea
Baucus (D-MT), Yea
Bayh (D-IN), Nay
Bennett (R-UT), Yea
Biden (D-DE), Nay
Bingaman (D-NM), Nay
Bond (R-MO), Yea
Boxer (D-CA), Not Voting
Brownback (R-KS), Yea
Bunning (R-KY), Yea
Burns (R-MT), Yea
Burr (R-NC), Nay
Byrd (D-WV), Nay
Cantwell (D-WA), Yea
Carper (D-DE), Nay
Chafee (R-RI), Not Voting
Chambliss (R-GA), Yea
Clinton (D-NY), Yea
Coburn (R-OK), Nay
Cochran (R-MS), Yea
Coleman (R-MN), Yea
Collins (R-ME), Nay
Conrad (D-ND), Nay
Cornyn (R-TX), Yea
Craig (R-ID), Yea
Crapo (R-ID), Yea
Dayton (D-MN), Nay
DeMint (R-SC), Yea
DeWine (R-OH), Yea
Dodd (D-CT), Nay
Dole (R-NC), Nay
Domenici (R-NM), Yea
Dorgan (D-ND), Nay
Durbin (D-IL), Nay
Ensign (R-NV), Yea
Enzi (R-WY), Yea
Feingold (D-WI), Nay
Feinstein (D-CA), Nay
Frist (R-TN), Yea
Graham (R-SC), Yea
Grassley (R-IA), Yea
Gregg (R-NH), Not Voting
Hagel (R-NE), Yea
Harkin (D-IA), Nay
Hatch (R-UT), Yea
Hutchison (R-TX), Yea
Inhofe (R-OK), Yea
Inouye (D-HI), Nay
Isakson (R-GA), Yea
Jeffords (I-VT), Yea
Johnson (D-SD), Nay
Kennedy (D-MA), Nay
Kerry (D-MA), Yea
Kohl (D-WI), Nay
Kyl (R-AZ), Yea
Landrieu (D-LA), Yea
Lautenberg (D-NJ), Nay
Leahy (D-VT), Not Voting
Levin (D-MI), Nay
Lieberman (D-CT), Yea
Lincoln (D-AR), Nay
Lott (R-MS), Yea
Lugar (R-IN), Yea
Martinez (R-FL), Yea
McCain (R-AZ), Yea
McConnell (R-KY), Yea
Menendez (D-NJ), Nay
Mikulski (D-MD), Nay
Murkowski (R-AK), Yea
Murray (D-WA), Not Voting
Nelson (D-FL), Yea
Nelson (D-NE), Yea
Obama (D-IL), Yea
Pryor (D-AR), Yea
Reed (D-RI), Nay
Reid (D-NV), Nay
Roberts (R-KS), Yea
Rockefeller (D-WV), Nay
Salazar (D-CO), Yea
Santorum (R-PA), Yea
Sarbanes (D-MD), Nay
Schumer (D-NY), Nay
Sessions (R-AL), Yea
Shelby (R-AL), Yea
Smith (R-OR), Yea
Snowe (R-ME), Nay
Specter (R-PA), Yea
Stabenow (D-MI), Not Voting
Stevens (R-AK), Yea
Sununu (R-NH), Yea
Talent (R-MO), Yea
Thomas (R-WY), Yea
Thune (R-SD), Yea
Vitter (R-LA), Yea
Voinovich (R-OH), Yea
Warner (R-VA), Yea
Wyden (D-OR), Nay
Vote Summary By Senator Name By Vote Position By Home State

Grouped By Vote Position
YEAs ---60
Alexander (R-TN)
Allard (R-CO)
Allen (R-VA)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bennett (R-UT)
Bond (R-MO)
Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burns (R-MT)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Clinton (D-NY)
Cochran (R-MS)
Coleman (R-MN)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Craig (R-ID)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeMint (R-SC)
DeWine (R-OH)
Domenici (R-NM)
Ensign (R-NV)
Enzi (R-WY)
Frist (R-TN)
Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA)
Hagel (R-NE)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Isakson (R-GA)
Jeffords (I-VT)
Kerry (D-MA)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lieberman (D-CT)
Lott (R-MS)
Lugar (R-IN)
Martinez (R-FL)
McCain (R-AZ)
McConnell (R-KY)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Obama (D-IL)
Pryor (D-AR)
Roberts (R-KS)
Salazar (D-CO)
Santorum (R-PA)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Smith (R-OR)
Specter (R-PA)
Stevens (R-AK)
Sununu (R-NH)
Talent (R-MO)
Thomas (R-WY)
Thune (R-SD)
Vitter (R-LA)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Warner (R-VA)

Read WHY this was a bad 'yea' vote here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2924045

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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 05:38 PM
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20. Has Obama accepted any money from the Tam family players? BTW, she's the one touting "experience"
if she can't point to where she stood up with better judgement, she's got nothing to brag about.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 06:22 PM
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34. Sex trade and Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman and Qatar
Edited on Fri Mar-07-08 06:25 PM by Breeze54
Sex trade and Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman and Qatar
http://righttruth.typepad.com/right_truth/2007/06/sex_trade_and_b.html

Release of the Seventh Annual Trafficking in Persons Report
http://www.state.gov/g/tip/rls/rm/07/86306.htm

Ambassador Mark P. Lagon, Senior Advisor on Trafficking in Persons

Briefing: Release of the 2007 Trafficking in Persons Report

Washington, DC

June 12, 2007


http://www.state.gov/g/tip/rls/tiprpt/2007/">2007 Trafficking in Persons Report

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A country falls into Tier 3 if its government is not making a significant effort to combat human trafficking. A Tier 3 country can be sanctioned if it doesn't take seriously antislavery action in the next 90 days. Sadly, this year the list of countries on Tier 3 has grown to -- due to a lack of effort by these governments to combat this serious transnational crime. There are a total of 16 countries on Tier 3, seven of which dropped down to Tier 3 this year: Algeria, Bahrain, Equatorial Guinea, Kuwait, Malaysia, Oman and Qatar.

It's especially disappointing that so many wealthy countries in the Near East that aren't lacking adequate resources to make significant progress are on Tier 3. For instance, Saudi Arabia is on Tier 3 for the third year. These are countries in that region that rely extensively on foreign migrant laborers. Practices such as sponsorship laws create conditions that make guest workers especially vulnerable to trafficking in the region.

Sponsorship laws give employers extensive personal authority over workers, allowing them to control movement and legal status. These -- there are cases of workers escaping abuse in private homes or work sites. They flee to local police. But if their sponsor denies them an exit permit to leave the country, the exploited workers are effectively held hostage in a shelter or a police detention center, sometimes for years. The power given to sponsors over foreign workers should be limited and counterbalanced with rights for workers to seek legal redress and governments in destination countries should be more active in protecting workers.


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Young girls and unsuspecting women are often lured or kidnapped or sold into an omnivorous sex industry. The length between prostitution and sex trafficking is indisputable. That's why we must move with more creativity and commitment to deal with the demand for victims. Prostitution is not a victimless crime. It ruins lives from Mexico to Malta, from Tel Aviv to Tokyo, from Albany, New York to Abuja, Nigeria. Sexual servitude is particularly grotesque in human trafficking. The report is interspersed with stories of survivors who have been aided by U.S. programs that demonstrate our commitment to rescue and rehabilitate innocent victims.

Let me tell you briefly about some trends that we see highlighted in the 2007 report. Use of debt, first of all, as a tool of coercion and secondly, stalled progress in strengthening rule of law. First, in both labor and sexual exploitation, illegal or illegitimate debt is increasingly used to keep people in servitude. This debt is used by traffickers as an instrument of coercion. How does this work? People are enticed into fraudulent offers of work abroad that require a steep payment up front for the services of a labor agency arranging the job or a payment that goes straight to the future employer.

To pay the fee, workers often borrow money from relatives and friends or they mortgage property. Sometimes, additional debt is added at the place of employment: inflated fees for supposed costs of room and board or equipment. Sometimes, new, unexpected transportation fees are added. The debt becomes exorbitant on purpose, yet workers are trapped into trying to pay it off for years. This debt is as effective as overt force in keeping them in bondage, yet it's invisible and often overlooked by criminal investigators. In trafficking for prostitution, we're increasingly aware of debt being used to coerce and control victims. Daily fees charged by brothel owners for rent, food, drugs, even condoms create an inescapable financial burden that amounts to debt bondage, a form of human trafficking.

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It hurts my heart to share with you this very recent example that typifies the confluence of officials' complicity in trafficking and indifference in the face of heroism to end modern-day slavery. One of the heroes highlighted in this year's report, Kailash Satyarthi of the Indian NGO Bachpan Bachao Andolan or BBA, prompted the rescue of 92 Bengali children enslaved in goldsmith and jewelry factories in India's capital city of New Delhi. The children were forced to eat, sleep, and labor in workshops, 10 to a room. Dangerous chemicals were used for making gold ornaments in the same rooms that they were kept 24 hours a day. Most of the children were under the age of 14. According to the children, many were physically and sexually abused.

Just days after this rescue which didn't result in any arrests in India, the factory owners, managers, and their thugs showed up at BBA's shelter with iron rods, sticks, and bricks. They tried to recapture the children. Shelter staff were injured. When police finally responded, no one was arrested. The connections and clout of these traffickers were enough, apparently, to thwart justice. India has the world's largest labor trafficking problem with hundreds of thousands of sex trafficking victims and millions of bonded laborers including forced child laborers. In India, there is no national anti-trafficking effort, no recognition of bonded labor on an official level, and poor efforts against sex trafficking. The world's largest democracy has the world's largest problem of human trafficking.


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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 07:10 PM
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37. Free trade pacts, as odious as they can be, don't always lead to sexual slavery
It appears this stuff in Oman was going on well before Obama voted for anything. The stuff in the Marianas was directly linked to the factories there and public officials were being alerted to what was going on, yet they still took gobs of contributions from these scumbags.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:56 PM
Response to Reply #37
39. So he voted for it anyway???? WTF??? Slave labor & sex slave labor?
:banghead: Like his vote doesn't matter?? :wtf:

He doesn't get off the hook that easy with me at all!! :grr:
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:38 PM
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40. Um, I think you are comparing apples and oranges here.
The sex trade in Oman appears to have been thriving well before, and independently of, any trade deal. What was going on in the Marianas appears to be a more direct effect of U.S. factories being set up there.

I hate to break it to you, but sexual slavery is going on pretty much everywhere, including right her in the good old U S of A.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:20 AM
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41. It's also slave trading and you are missing the point!
It's still going on and Obama voted to continue it!!

:wtf: is up with that?!?!? It's despicable!! :grr:

Only ten senator's voted Yea on that ...TEN!!

And he was one of them!! :cry:

Pretty fucked up, in my book.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:30 AM
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42. Explain to me how Obama's vote on a trade deal continued a sex trade that was already going on.
Really, I don't see the connection.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:46 AM
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44. Then you are pretty dense but again, you miss the point.
A vote of YEA is a vote to support it!!!!!

He voted FOR it!! :wtf: He didn't defend the workers!!!

Isn't that his latest speal? He's against NAFTA but then he votes for this garbage?!?

Shallow comes to mind...
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:16 AM
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45. Okay, I must be dense because it seems to me that illegal captives would be outside of a trade pact.
I can see the point that a trade deal should include provisions to protect the human rights of all people within the boundaries of a particular nation. I wholeheartedly agree with that. Let's start with the U.S. But I still don't see how Obama is personally responsible for human slavery.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:38 AM
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46. Exactly!! There were NO Provisions for the workers and BO voted yea anyway!!
The only provisions, if you followed the links, were the promises to 'do better'!! :wtf:

I thought BO was all for FAIR Trade?!?

Doesn't seem so and I don't want to hear anymore crap from him about HRC and NAFTA!

SHE didn't HAVE a VOTE on that!!!

Vote Kucinich!!!!!
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 05:37 PM
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19. Isn't this just fucking great? Now we have another Dem connected to Abramoff
And a very high profile one at that.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 05:43 PM
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24. Not directly to Abramoff. That's a reach & doing so might discredit the actual damaging facts
Edited on Fri Mar-07-08 05:44 PM by cryingshame
IMO
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 05:54 PM
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28. Ruh Roh! Feminists not are to likey diss!! Ruh Roh!
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 05:56 PM
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29. Northern Mariana Islands
That's what the BO campaign should be about - GO FOR IT!

:rofl:
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 06:00 PM
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30. Yes, I think Women's Rights and ending Human Trafficking are what Obama's campaign is about.
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 06:02 PM
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32. Interesting....
I've never heard him say a word about ending human trafficking yet that's what is campaign is about?

I'll check Deval Patrick's speeches.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 06:27 PM
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35. Then why did Obama vote YES on the OFTA?
:shrug:
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 06:10 PM
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33. K & R
:kick:
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 07:07 PM
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36. kick
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 07:19 PM
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38. Big K & R !!!
:kick:
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:35 AM
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43. Thanks for the link...
there's a lot of info there. Too much for me tonight. Looks like must read stuff though!!!
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watrwefitinfor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:40 AM
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47. Thank you! n/t
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:02 PM
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48. kick
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