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Bossy Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 10:54 AM
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Going to lunch; make me believe Kerry can win by the time I get back
Let's have the ultrarare no-negative GD:C thread, except toward Bush-Cheney assclowns. I'm starting to believe, but they stole the last one. If you've got high hopes for November, share it here. If you want to rain on same, take it to another thread. Thanks!
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 10:57 AM
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1. Bring me back some food and I'll think about it
We consultants don't work for free! :D
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Bossy Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 01:16 PM
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12. Damn, sorry! And it was an Indian buffet, too! n/t
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 11:03 AM
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2. I am very confident we will win in November
BushCo is doing everything wrong as I see it. The continued death toll in Iraq, the problems in Asia, the ballooning deficit all point to Kerry as a big winner. What will tip the scales (I hope) is the people in NYC during the convention. If BushCo tries to use the 9/11 anniversary (which we know he will) I think it will backfire BIGTIME.

More will be revealed as they say, but I think we're in great shape right now.
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Nightjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 11:03 AM
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3. I believe
Edited on Fri Apr-09-04 11:03 AM by Nightjock
no matter what poll says the election will be close...

there is not a survey in the world that can take into account the huge number of people who want Bush out and will not sit home on thier ass on election day.

I personally know a huge amount of people who normally don't vote and are MOTIVATED to remove him from office.
Even a few lifelong Republicans.

On your way back from lunch I'll take a coffee -black. And a pack of smokes.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 11:08 AM
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4. His opponent is George W. Bush
if he can't beat this discredited moron then something is seriously wrong in this country.
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donviti Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 11:11 AM
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5. ABB's are alive and well
I don't have the numbers but there are plenty of people that don't like the way the country is going and are finally going to make their voice heard in Nov. People are signing up to vote that never have. I have a co-worker that is over 30 and has signed up to vote. I also was on my way home from NYC and was listening to a radio station that had a 78 yr old woman say she doesn't like what Georgie is doing and has registered to vote for the first time too.
The country has been numb to the right wings' progressive takeover in
Washington since Reagan and finally are recognizing the crippling affect it is having on how we are viewed world wide.

We will win by a landslide. More people will vote than have in a long, long time.

Hope lunch was good...Going for Chinese myself.
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Bossy Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 01:17 PM
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13. Welcome to DU; hope you're right! n/t
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 11:12 AM
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6. New ARG Poll: Kerry 50%, Vacationboy 44%
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1378550

After Bush* spent $40million advertising in swing states, while Kerry took a vacation and had surgery, Bush* #'s went down
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Qutzupalotl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 11:33 AM
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8. Interesting.
Do you suppose the negative tone in the ads (both Bush's and Kerry's) is turning off voters? Maybe moreso for Bush, since he's buying more ad time?

I don't think Bush can go positive, really. Nothing to run on. "Don't change apocalyptic horsemen in midstream."

Kerry's position is challenging. When he goes negative, it rallies his base, but I'm not sure what it'll do to Bush's base. I guess it depends on the attacks used. But when Bush goes negative, especially this early, he looks weak, like he's worried about Kerry.

Even so, I think Kerry should balance the negative trashing with his positive, hopeful, uplifting vision for the future--which right now could use some accentuation. I like many of his recent proposals and hope to see more of the same. I'm not sure whether he should rebut each of the charges Bush is making against him, but I guess it couldn't hurt. Better PR minds than mine are working around the clock on this, I'll bet.
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 11:28 AM
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7. Of surprises
Madrid and France turning left were two strong instances showing October Surprises can backfire horribly against the Right. BBV is grudgingly being rolled back. All in all Bush has wasted millions ineffectually on dumb ads eclipsed by his own public problems. They make Dean's demise pale by comparison. The witless villains, while still in place have been ID'd opposed and pointed out as never before. The entire reading public all 156 of us, are graced with an unprecedented and quality array of anti Bush books crowding the bestseller and political shelves. Whistleblowers are coming out in a steady parade. Iraq is not going away as fast as the draft is coming. While Bush touts economic recovery the real suffering and well founded worry continues.

I could go on, but this is all BEFORE an actual level ground Bush/Kerry match up takes place. Others can revel in how Bush would be trampled by Kerry in that match up and how a united Dem party can turn its move on sights to more difficult tasks in making the House and Senate more truly representative of America.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 12:05 PM
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9. We vote - we win
It's simple. If we didn't piss and moan all over ourselves, we'd win all the time. The reason Republicans win at all is because they have put out "core beliefs" that they never waiver from and their minions never express doubt over.

Now I'm not suggesting we become like that, but we could inject our own spines with similar confidence, a confidence that comes from knowing that we ARE the majority party in this country.

We vote, we win.
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Qutzupalotl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 12:36 PM
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10. Here's a link to give you hope.
Check it out.

https://secure5.ctsg.com/rtv/OVR/index.asp?ms=bet

Sorry I'm late, BTW. :7
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ACK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 12:47 PM
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11. From Nicholas_J in another thread
Nicholas_J (1000+ posts) Wed Apr-07-04 12:37 AM
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116. Not just Kerry's record
Edited on Wed Apr-07-04 12:49 AM by Nicholas_J


No incumbent in the last 60 years has had an opponent who has been so close to him in the polls as Kerry is to Bush. Not even Reagan came as close to Carter during the 80 campaign and in fact lagged behind Carter in most polls by between 10 and 20 percent, closer to 20 percent most of the time until the last few weeks of the campaign.

The fact that Kerry has been leading Bush in 36 poll in 25 states over the last three weeks, while Bush has led in only 24 of those polls is an extremely bad sign for Bush. At this point, Bush should be leading in a majority of the poll in the states, but most of the states in which he is leading are clearly Republican leaning, while Kerry is leading in a far greater number of consecutive polls in states that are in play, and has massive leads in states that were very close in 2000. In Michigan. the latest polls hav Kerry with a 10 point lead, Minniesota, 12 points. In only one recent poll does Bush beat Kerry in Florida, and in polls taken in the 4 days since that poll Kerry is at a dead hear with Bush in the ARG 45 % Kerry, 44 Bush, but in another poll taken thins weekend Kerry is 6 points ahead of Bush, (Schroth and Associates) which has Kerry at 49 percent, and Bush at 43 percent.

From a historical perspective, Bush is in serious trouble and the fact that his attempts to try to define Kerry, using all of the ammunition against Kerry available this early in the campaign have had little effect on the polls in most of the states in which Bush is airling them leaves Bush with little ammunition too attack Kerry with when it counts, in the last month of the campaign. Kerry is a master of political timing. He didnt pull out the big guns during the primary process until the actual voting was going on. And the results were rather sucessful, wouldnt you say?

Kerry is not going to openly begin to attack Bush in Iraq until it is seen that the coalition is failing dismally, and that the specter of a Vietnam like quagmire begins to become apparent. The recent events in Iraq are beginning to appear to involve a great deal more people than Al Sadr's militia, as Sunni's are beginning to become involved and join them, and insurgent attacks are beginning to occur in Kirkuk, in the Kurdish dominated north.

Only a fool attacks before he sees the lay of the land, and Kerry is simply no fool To attack Bush on Iraq before the anticipated date of turnover of control would be poor strategy indeed. This is only the beginning of an insurgency. The events of the last few days are the results of smaller and less co-ordinated attacks earlier this year, and it is more likely that they will increase, rather than decrease, and that the Bush Administration will be calling for increasing military presence in Iraq by the mid summer, not decreasing it. Then Kerry can clearly lay out an attack on the obvious lack of exit strategy on the part of the Bush Administration.

This can all be tied in with the Bush Administrations tendency to support democratic regimes that have not been elected by the people of the nations under consideration. First placing a hand picked government in Iraq, thne supporting an unelected government in Haiti.

In fact, as of the most recent data posted today of electoral votes, Kerry has now passed Bush in the electoral vote count coming around from BUsh's one point lead last week, to Kerry now having three more electoral votes than Bush with Bush at 193 electoral votes, Kerry at 196.

http://www.dcpoliticalreport.com/CurrentPolls.htm


Again, something so historaically unheard of as to be considered a massive indication that Kerry was easily the best candidate the Democratic Party could have selected, as Kerry is way ahead in statates which both Edwards and Clark had some of their poorest showings. particularly in the Northeast and the Upper Midwest.

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Bossy Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 01:25 PM
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14. Thanks folks; I DO feel better (Lunch was good, too) n/t
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 04:55 PM
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15. I'm quite confident
that Kerry will win the popular vote by several million votes, with a margin of 2% or so.

I'm a little worried about some of the battleground states though, namely PA.

But in the end I don't think Kerry will lose any Gore states, and he'll pick up atleast one or two states that went red last time. Hopefully that'll add up to 270+ EVs.

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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-04 10:25 PM
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16. A year and a half ago Bush was considered "invincible"...
Edited on Fri Apr-09-04 10:27 PM by Hippo_Tron
His approval rating was in the 70's. Then Chimpys approval ratings went into a huge decline simply because of the war. Kerry and Bush became neck and neck even before Richard Clarke. Now it looks only uphill for us. Assuming Merry-Beth has a few more plans to catch Rove off guard, we should be able to win this time.
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