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George_Bonanza (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 06:32 PM Original message |
Why does Hillary want to copy John Kerry's losing 2004 electoral strategy? |
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Debi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 06:33 PM Response to Original message |
1. Terry Mc's 17 state strategy! |
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sniffa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 07:43 PM Response to Reply #1 |
11. 17 state strategy won once or twice |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 09:29 PM Response to Reply #11 |
18. It won once with Bill's second win. The first time he carried more states and used a 50 state .... |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 07:46 PM Response to Reply #1 |
12. EXACTLY. Kerry was STUCK with McAuliffe's DNC. A 50-state strategy takes a 4yr COMMITMENT from DNC |
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EmperorHasNoClothes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 06:35 PM Response to Original message |
2. It's just more proof how unoriginal her thoughts are |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 06:36 PM Response to Original message |
3. 'Cause she's a loser? |
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DJ13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 06:39 PM Response to Original message |
4. All those who look back and think Bill was a great campaigner forget |
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democrattotheend (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 07:03 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. That's a really good point |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 06:43 PM Response to Original message |
5. Yeah. Let's pour HUGE resources into states we'll never win. |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 06:53 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Of course not. But some of those states, like NV, NM, and CO are winnable |
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johnnydrama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 07:36 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. why not? |
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dansolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 07:49 PM Response to Reply #5 |
14. What about the coattails |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 09:15 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Maybe. But the presidency is far more important: SCOTUS. |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 09:30 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. All SCOTUS nominations have to go through Congress. |
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Voice for Peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 12:52 PM Response to Reply #14 |
44. Seats in Congress -- very important point when it comes to real change. nt |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 07:52 PM Response to Reply #5 |
16. Except Clinton's DNC from 1996-2004 let crucial SWING STATES like Ohio and Florida collapse |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 09:31 PM Response to Reply #5 |
20. forcing GOP to spend money EVERYWHERES is part of beating them nationwide. |
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Mooney (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 11:38 AM Response to Reply #5 |
36. "States he won't win in the GE" is a self-fulfilling prophecy. |
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cottonseed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 07:41 PM Response to Original message |
9. Hillary Clinton, "Ready for Duty". |
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Jillian (577 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 07:42 PM Response to Original message |
10. Like Wyoming? Do you think the Dems are going to win Wy in the GE? |
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TheDonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 11:05 PM Response to Reply #10 |
27. No but we have a chance at mountain states like CO |
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George_Bonanza (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 11:08 PM Response to Reply #10 |
28. It's not only about winning |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 07:48 PM Response to Original message |
13. You're going to get TROUNCED in November if you think Republicans are going to change their stripes |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 09:32 PM Response to Reply #13 |
21. Let the 527's sling the mud. That's why they exist. |
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BenDavid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 07:51 PM Response to Original message |
15. HRC plays a hell of a lot better in the following states then kerry |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 09:39 PM Response to Reply #15 |
23. If Obama wins the nomination, and loses in the GE - it will be because of Hillary's attacks now.... |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 11:37 AM Response to Reply #23 |
34. Oh give me a break. |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 11:38 AM Response to Reply #23 |
35. Oh give me a break. |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 05:25 PM Response to Reply #23 |
46. So you put an inexperienced candidate with a padded resume |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 11:32 AM Response to Reply #15 |
32. BALONEY - had DNC secured the election process after 2000 Kerry would've won in a landslide. |
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Gore1FL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 09:37 PM Response to Original message |
22. The same reason |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 09:41 PM Response to Original message |
24. Ohio is now Democratic - and had that been so in 2004, Kerry likely would have won |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 11:33 AM Response to Reply #24 |
33. OH is democratic right now, and a right candidate could easily |
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George_Bonanza (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 10:58 PM Response to Original message |
25. Some Hillary supporters think Obama will lose NJ, while Hillary will win TN |
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Medusa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 10:59 PM Response to Original message |
26. Because she's a leader! |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 11:10 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. of only 17 states. |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 11:11 PM Response to Original message |
30. it's the script ever since the coup of 2000 |
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Unbowed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 11:29 AM Response to Original message |
31. Time for Democrats to stop ignoring red states. |
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Mooney (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 11:44 AM Response to Reply #31 |
38. Exactly. |
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Unbowed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 12:14 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. And if we don't show up in red states, how will they know that democrats are not |
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Mooney (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 12:18 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. I agree with you that there's finally an opening |
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Unbowed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 12:32 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. You sum it up nicely with those two words: rare opportunity. That's it exactly! n/t |
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Mooney (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 12:47 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. I can't remember the last time we had this kind of opportunity |
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VolcanoJen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 11:40 AM Response to Original message |
37. Clinton's "Insult 40 States Strategy" will be even more disatrous in November than Kerry's. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 05:23 PM Response to Reply #37 |
45. Kerry was STUCK with the DNC's decade long targeted state sytrategy that collapsed |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 11:48 AM Response to Original message |
39. "I was for it before I was against it" |
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