My response to Ferraro: If Hillary Clinton was a Black male, they would have told her Black ass

[wndycty]

. . .to drop out by now. Since she can't catch up in pledged delegates, is behind in the popular vote and has won less states.

Yes Geraldine, if Hillary were a Black man she would have been run out of the race. As a Black man I know this.

[billbuckhead]

1. More racial jujitsu from Hillary's opponent's minions

Pathetic.

[wndycty]

2. No have you seen the racist shit I'm responding to?

You can act outraged but you obviously are not offended by Feraro's comments. Very telling of Hillary's folks. You accuse of racial jujitsu when ANOTHER Clinton's surrogates plays the race card.

[PurityOfEssence]

26. Do you SERIOUSLY think he'd be where he is, with his resume, if he was white?

Many people seem to think he's the best orator since Danton, but many of the rest of us just hear preachy noise and loping quasi-melodic vagueness.

His resume is FAR from world-beating. He's been going with the flow and ducking many of the hard calls, as he makes some of the other hard calls WRONG. I guess 30% is too low to cap credit card interest, isn't it? That Iran "Sense" was truly dangerous, but he couldn't even show up to vote, and only after Edwards started making hay out of it did he finally find his voice of outrage. Single-payer health care might crimp his wife's ability to make $6,000.00 a week as an administrator for profitable medicine, wouldn't it?

Her comments weren't racist, and she deserves the right to say things like this because she's been very clear in admitting that she never would have had the VP slot had she not been a woman. SHE acknowledges the benefit her non-whitemale status gave her on this occasion, just as she frankly describes how she's been kept back due to her gender.

Besides all that, being spurred by someone bringing up the issue of race does not justify you or anyone else some kind of immunity from reproach if you fire back with some race-based tirade.

Obama's benefited plenty from racism, whether he's actively courted it in any other instance than South Carolina, and he's wise to avoid the subject.

I'm sure Louis Farrakhan would love him as the savior of mankind just as much if he was a Korean Jew, but a few of his other supporters aren't as fair minded.

Blacks got the vote in 1865; women had to wait until 1920.

With his resume, he'd never get a shot at the presidency without some special status, and it's obvious to many of us even if the concept is outrageous to the faithful.

[wndycty]

27. Your post inspired my poll that I just posted

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5013410

[redstate_democrat]

33. Hey

You dropped this

[PurityOfEssence]

45. Thanks! I wondered what happened to that; I found it at some gospel show in South Carolina

Ignore that gay white preacher; he'll be gone in a minute.

[wndycty]

50. Oh jeeze!

Still holding on to that I see.

[PurityOfEssence]

69. Racism from the downtrodden is still racism

Just as misandry is still sexism.

[joeybee12]

55. You're wasting your time...because you're right...this is the latest BS

from Obama-bots who had their screen-shot theory debunked twice...it's pathetic that they have to try and find racism where it doesn't exist...and if they think it turns off a lot of Dems, wait until the GE when they see how people respond to this garbage.

[Scriptor Ignotus]

58. if my aunt had a penis she'd be my uncle

what's your fucking point?

he is who he is. debating what he'd be like if he was white is pointless. we'd all be different people if we were of a different race, grew up in a different location, or were a different gender.

now if you think black people REALLY were able to vote in 1865 then I don't know what to tell you. maybe you consider 3/5 a vote a real vote. maybe you consider literacy laws or intimidation by cross-burning and lynching a minor obstacle in voting.

I for one find it amazing you are actually arguing that being black gives Obama an ADVANTAGE in the UNITED STATES PRESIDENTIAL RACE (aka the Old Rich White Man's Club). I know that nobody was saying this back in early 2007 when Hillary was the front-runner. Gee, I wonder what has changed since then?


To get slightly off topic - I think a woman could win the Presidency in this country, just not Hillary. Just like I think a black man could win, just not Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton. It's not because they are black that I say this, it's because they are who they are. Same thing with Hillary.

[elehhhhna]

63. Would Hil be running if she hadn't been one of the women Bill was sleeping with?

I hardly think so.

[buff2]

3. Why hasn't the "black man" Obama been run out of the race?

Good,God. What a racist post.

[wndycty]

5. Because he is winning. . .

. . .what part of that don't you get. Hillary is losing. Period.

[ellacott]

61. They don't get it

They why they see no problem with him being Hillary's V.P.

[Bread and Circus]

6. Because he's always been ahead in elected delegates, from day one.

[wndycty]

11. You see according to Buff that doesn't matter, Buff believes Obama should drop out now. . .

. . .even though he is winning. You know those Clinton folks are.

[Barack_America]

30. Well, c'mon, a black man couldn't ACTUALLY win...

The Clintons have been mighty nice and accommodating to Obama thus far. But, enough is enough, we all know how this thing is going to turn out...how it is SUPPOSED to turn out. We all know what is POSSIBLE and Obama ain't it.

:sarcasm:

[thevoiceofreason]

9. Because he is 50 times the candidate that Hillary is.

[uponit7771]

14. He's winning?!?!?

[wndycty]

15. They fact is lost on Hillary's people. The fact he is winning is a non-issue

:kick:

[Bread and Circus]

4. As a White man I know this too... hell, Obama wouldn't have gotten past Iowa

had he placed 3rd.

Hillary has had one "do-over" after-another after-another after-another. She has been given nothing but second and third chances.

:headbang:

[JBoy]

12. Don't be silly - she's won every single contest that "counts". n/t

[emilyg]

7. I doubt your sincerity.

[Medusa]

8. Last time I checked. . . .

Obama was half-black, half-white.

[wndycty]

13. American views him as a Black man, that fact that he is bi-racial is only relevant. . .

. . .when Hillary's folks try to down play their racism. You do realize the Clinton's have consistently referred to him as African American.

[Bake]

62. So then what do African Americans view Obama as?

One of them? A white person? I'm confused.

And I agree with many on this board that it SHOULDN'T matter. But when AA superdelegates get heat for not supporting "a brother," then obviously it does still matter.

Bake

[Yes We Did]

19. point? got one?

[NDambi]

51. That is lame. You know America considers him black. One drop of black blood and all that...jazz

[wndycty]

52. You know the Clinton folks. . .they will deny his race to hide their racism

:kick:

[NDambi]

54. Well Bill definitely let us know he was black in South Carolina..didn't he?

[TheZug]

10. 1 in 15 black adults are behind bars--real lucky.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/28/us/28cnd-prison.html?hp

It's a disgusting statement.

[moobu2]

16. This is blatant race baiting…not surprised though

[wndycty]

18. How is this race baiting? Its a response to Feraro's racist BS

That is typical of the Clinton camp, make a racist comment then accuse the Obama supporters of race baiting.

[Yes We Did]

21. Didn't you know, you aren't allowed to comment on Hillary's surrogates racism.

Or anything else she does, cuz then you are also a sexist.

[wndycty]

22. And a race baiter

:sarcasm:

[ForeignSpectator]

48. Classic bait and switch is it? n/t

[JVS]

31. Ferraro race-baited

[elixir]

17. Statistically, neither Obama and Hillary cannot win the nomination currently. Barring a major

upset.

[wndycty]

20. Obama has more pledged delegates and Hillary has no chance of catching him. . .

. . .you and I both know if the shoe were on the other foot they would have demanded that Obama walk. LOL

[Johnny__Motown]

24. Mike Huckabee? is that you? wow I didn't know you were a Clinton fan

[Johnny__Motown]

23. it was a terrible indefensible racial slur. she is an embarrassment to our entire nation

[wndycty]

25. Not according to Hillary's DU supporters, they are accusing me of race baiting. . .

. . .for taking offense.

[zalinda]

28. I just can't believe you don't know what she is saying

She is saying that if you are a man, whether black or white, it will trump a woman........ALWAYS. All you have to do is read DU and you know that it is true. Racism, bad, sexism, funny. Women have always been at the bottom of the barrel, even when there were slaves. Women have always been thought of as property, and some men still think that way today.

Men cry, they are sensitive. Women cry, they are emotional.
Men give out orders, they are the boss. Women give out orders, they are bossy.
Men get older, they get distinguished. Women get older they are dried up.
Men dress sloppy, they need a woman. Women dress sloppy, they are pigs.
Men change a diaper, he's a great dad. Women change a diaper and no one notices.
Men have a bad day, they are stressed. Women have a bad day, they are on their periods.
Men who yell are commanding. Women who yell are bitches.
Men who are overweight, are over worked. Women who are overweight, are lazy.
Men who are athletic, are sexy. Women who are athletic are lesbians.

There is a double standard out there. And, if you don't know it, you aren't paying attention.

zalinda

[wndycty]

29. Why did she bring race into it then?

Explain that. She brought up race for a reason.

[Catherine Vincent]

32. I agree.

She should have explained herself better than what she did. What was she thinking?

[zalinda]

35. Because, a man, whether black or white will always

be looked upon with more respect than a woman. And, right now, the dems wanted a "historic" President. If he was white, he wouldn't be historic, would he? The press is playing him up because he's black, sorry if you didn't know that. This is why the race is historic.........get it? Would he be as popular if he was white? No way. Many people are voting for him, "because it's about time". Liberal guilt. Blacks are voting for him because they hope he will represent them. If he was white, he wouldn't be getting the large black voting block.

Damn, can't you Obama people hold more than two thoughts in your head at once? If he was white, he wouldn't have been given all those bills to pass in the state senate, so he could run for the US Senate. If he was white, he wouldn't have been enticed to run when he doesn't have enough experience. If he was white, he wouldn't have been in this "historic" race in the first place. The ONLY way this race was to be "historic" is if a woman and a black man were running against each other.

zalinda

[wndycty]

37. But she said if Obama were a white man who wouldn't be a candidate. . .

. . .so why you are obsessing on a FAUX sexism angle she was blatantly playing the race card.

[Colobo]

38. So Obama has nothing but his race going for him?

That's just BS. It's envy coming from those who expected Hillary to be "crowned".

[wndycty]

39. Yup the sense of entitlement amongst Hillary's supporters is making them marginalize the Black boy

Yeah I said it and I mean it. Its really discouraging how some Democrats rely on racism when there sense of entitlement is threatened.

[zalinda]

47. I am not a Clinton support

I just dislike her less. But, yes, as far as I'm concerned, that's all that Obama has going for him.

zalinda

[dionysus]

60. and without being mrs clinton, hillary would have been taken as seriously as carol mosely braun....

[zalinda]

68. You are correct. n/t

[JVS]

34. Nice post, but that's not what she said.

[sandnsea]

49. Not true, not anymore

The OP is exactly right. There is no one lower in this country than an African American male.

[PaulaFarrell]

67. maybe where you're from

I was born and bred in Texas, and maybe there was some sexism, but not enough so's I really noticed. I just don't think you can have been around many racists or bigots to say what you've said. I mean, have you ever heard a man say he'd like to get all the women toegther, lock them in a bulding and set fire to it? That is what a friend of one of my relatives said once when drunk. Needless to say, he was no longer a friend. I'm sorry if anyone is offended by that story, maybe I shouldn't have repeated it, but as a white woman, I have to say, I think women who equate sexism to racism need to open their eyes.

[Colobo]

36. Geraldine Ferraro is a racist has been.

[PBS Poll-435]

46. Really?

That is a huge statement. If you can prove it, then you will prove Reagan right! Praise be to Reagan!

[sanjiadem]

40. Oh, great, more race crap ... as a grandmother of a bi-racial

(Black/White) multi-ethnic grandchild and Godmother of a (Hispanic/Black) multi-ethnic child, I find the racist rhetoric from both sides damned disturbing.

Are you people living in the dark ages or what? We got our WWII parents past it in the 70's - and they were much more open about these things than many I've heard from on these forums recently. If, in fact, anyone bases any decision about anything on race/gender/sexual preference they are freakin idiots. PERIOD!

I just hope my granddaughter and God-son do not grow up around folks like this. Hopefully, our society will evolve a bit more before they are faced with having to deal with the imaginary divides being used to 'define' their places in the world.

[wndycty]

41. Listen to the link

Geraldine Ferraro: Obama's Winning Because He's Not White!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqL_sm0J8jc

[sanjiadem]

42. I listened ... here's what I heard ...

John Gibson trying to get ratings by baiting Ferraro into saying things she isn't and Ferraro trying to support her candidate, by explaining how delegates are (supposedly) being pressured to support O by race.

The whole race/gender thing has been played pretty equally by both sides, as far as I can tell -- which is why I find both O and H unacceptable. I was considering voting for whomever the nominee was ... now, I may just stay home.

Both are spinning and manipulating everything to the point that it is no longer relevant to the majority of us who had gotten beyond this crap about thirty years ago.

[wndycty]

43. Oh blame Gibson? LOL

:kick:

[sanjiadem]

44. No, I blame them both for diminishing a serious contest

that will determine our futures, by obscuring the real contest with race or any other imaginary division they want to cook up for whatever reason serves them.

But, I guess you read into it what you wanted to read into it.

[Vinca]

53. If Hillary was anyone else on the planet, after 11 straight losses

and being behind in the delegates, she would have been drummed out of the race by powerful members in the party. The only reason she survives is the name.

[joeybee12]

56. No, they tried...lots of Dems, including Kennedy and Kerry were very

vocal...and it started long before that from the Obama is the savior of the Dem party crowd.

[BringBigDogBack]

57. you have a point

[David Zephyr]

59. Ferraro's comments were sickening. Add hers to Andrew Cuomo's and what do we have?

Having lived in the South as a boy, this white, queer guy has a very high radar when it comes to discrimination.

There is a systematic pattern that began way back in Iowa of walking right to the edge of racism against Obama by Clinton's campaign. Ferraro's comments turned my stomach.

I could not be a Hillary supporter and feel good about myself with what is coming out of her campaign almost on a daily basis now.

[David Zephyr]

64. Kicking this back to the top. The point is an important one.

Kick!

[IamyourTVandIownyou]

65. But Geraldine, Obama is half-white.

From someone who has fought and overcome genderism, to say anything about race, is a joke.

[Catherine Vincent]

66. I noticed your took the nasty tone of the "black ass" as you were referring to Hillary.

Any other time, you wouldn't use "blank" ass unless you were speaking about Hillary Clinton. Why is that?