Hillary signed and broke the pledge

[mkultra]

absolute proof of her dishonesty. Below is the actual text of the pledge that she signed regarding the Fl and Mi primaries. It clear states support for the stripping of delegates, non campaigning AND not appearing on the ballot.

“Whereas, the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee will strip states of 100% of their delegates and super delegates to the DNC National Convention if they violate the nomination calendar... Therefore, I ____________, Democratic Candidate for President, in honor and in accordance with DNC rules ...pledge I shall not campaign or participate in any election contest occurring in any state not already authorized by the DNC to take place in the DNC approved pre-window.”


it hers lips stupid, they are moving.

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1. All names were on the FL ballot. Gotta link to the whole pledge?

[mkultra]

4. entire pledge

Four State Pledge Letter 2008
Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada, South Carolina
August 31, 2007

WHEREAS, Over a year ago, the Democratic National Committee established a 2008 nominating calendar;

WHEREAS, this calendar honors the racial, ethnic, economic and geographic diversity of our party and our country;

WHEREAS, the DNC also honored the traditional role of retail politics early in the nominating process, to insure that money alone will not determine our presidential nominee;

WHEREAS, it is the desire of Presidential campaigns, the DNC, the states and the American people to bring finality, predictability and common sense to the nominating calendar.

THEREFORE, I _______________, Democratic Candidate for President, pledge I shall not campaign or participate in any state which schedules a presidential election primary or caucus before Feb. 5, 2008, except for the states of Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire and South Carolina, as “campaigning” is defined by rules and regulations of the DNC.

Hillary, Obama and Edwards all agreed to the pledge on September 1, 2007.

[k8conant]

7. Try this:

Four State Pledge Letter 2008
Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada, South Carolina
August 31, 2007

WHEREAS, over a year ago, the Democratic National Committee established a 2008 nominating calendar;
WHEREAS, this calendar honors the racial, ethnic, economic and geographic diversity of our party and our country;
WHEREAS, the DNC also honored the traditional role of retail politics early in the nominating process, to ensure that money alone will not determine our presidential nominee;
WHEREAS, it is the desire of Presidential campaigns, the DNC, the states and the American people to bring finality, predictability and common sense to the nominating calendar.
THEREFORE, I _______________, Democratic Candidate for President, pledge I shall not campaign or participate in any state which schedules a presidential election primary or caucus before Feb. 5, 2008, except for the states of Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire and South Carolina, as "campaigning" is defined by the rules and regulations of the DNC. It does not include activities specifically related to raising campaign resources such as fundraising events or the hiring of fundraising staff.


_____________________________ __________
Democratic Candidate for President DATE

[ingac70]

8. Here ya go...

http://martincountydemocrats.com/news_briefs/4statepledge.html


Four State Pledge Letter 2008
Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada, South Carolina
August 28, 2007

WHEREAS, the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee, along with approval from the full body of the DNC, established the 2008 Presidential nominating calendar in 2005.

WHEREAS, the nominating calendar increases diversity with the early participation of African Americans, Hispanics, Asian Americans, Native Americans and labor members.

WHEREAS, the nominating calendar honors the traditional role of retail politics early in the nominating process.

WHEREAS, the nominating calendar provides geographical balance with contests in the Heartland, East, South and West.

WHEREAS, it is the desire of Presidential campaigns, the DNC, the states and the American people to bring finality, predictability and common sense to the nominating calendar.

WHEREAS, the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee will strip states of 100% of their delegates and super delegates to the DNC National Convention if they violate the nomination calendar.

THEREFORE, I _______________, Democratic Candidate for President, in honor and in accordance with DNC rules, pledge to actively campaign in the pre-approved early states Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire and South Carolina. I pledge I shall not campaign or participate in any election contest occurring in any state not already authorized by the DNC to take place in the DNC approved pre-window (any date prior to February 5, 2008). Campaigning shall include but is not limited to purchasing media or campaign advocacy of any kind, attending or hosting events of more than 200 people to promote one's candidacy for a preference primary and employing staff in the state in question. It does not include activities specifically related to raising campaign resources such as fundraising events or the hiring of fundraising staff.

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12. thx. Some news: Obama, not Hillary, is in violation of that pledge. And Hillary has a point -

We tell FL to fuck off, FL DEMS, their own party tells them to fuck off now, do you really think they'll have any motivation to come out for the party in Nov?

The pledge is in the last paragraph - and she hasn't voilated the pledge at all.

Obama, by buying supposedly national airtime was unable to do what the other candidates did, which is to keep it off the FL stations. He broke the actual pledge.

We'll take a five minute break.

[mkultra]

15. her multiple apperances in FL

count as campaigning. Although both where "closed to the public" they sold tickets and the press was invited. Fund raisers.

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17. Fund raisers were allowed. Can you back you assertions with links?

[mkultra]

31. well, ill do a bit of browsing for you

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/thebeat?pid=276341
http://www.theamericanmind.com/2008/01/29/hillary-clintons-florida-campaign/
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/01/tonight_clinton_parties_in_flo.php
http://www.raisingkaine.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=12486

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40. Well I read the first two and that was enough.

The first is a blog at the nation, which shows in depth their hatred of Hillary Clinton.

The other mentions closed-to-the-public fundraisers allowed under the pledge. It states that no lines were crossed. Then throws up a rally after the polls closed as an example of betraying the "no campiagning in the state" provision. The polls were closed.


Thin.

[Frank Booth]

42. Amen!

If you're going to post something that doesn't propagate Hillary's talking points then don't bother posting at all!

[dchill]

47. The "Victory Party" was announced and spread...

(at no charge) by the press HOURS before the polls closed in FL. That is a violation of the spirit of the pledge not to campaign that HRC signed. You should read the other two links - since you're too lazy to Google bad stuff about Hillary yourself.

[Freddie Stubbs]

50. Obama held several fundraisers in Florida as well

[Bake]

57. Fuck, Obama ran TV COMMERCIALS in FL prior to the primary!!

But the O-zombies have to accuse Clinton of breaking the pledge. Fundraisers were allowed. And then one of them says HRC violated the "spirit" of the pledge.

I say, BULLSHIT. The Obamazoids are so fucking myopic it is pathetic. You point the truth out to them and they just go even crazier.

Bake

[Freddie Stubbs]

58. He ran national ads which were also shown in Florida

That would really be a stretch as a violation. Neither of them campaigned here. Neither of them violated the pledge.

[KaryninMiami]

55. They don't count to the Clinton team as campaigning- just to the rest of the world.

although those of us here in Florida who witnessed what was going on-- media, press, crowds, money being collected and a personal appearance by the candidate- sure looked like campaigning to us. But then again, Hillary makes her own rules.

[ingac70]

19. She broke it by not removing her name of the ballot in MI...

In Florida it was too late to remove any names.

Purchasing national airtime was not a violation.

Had he bought airtime strictly for Florida, that would have been a violation.

[Gore1FL]

41. Wasn't that purchase OK'd through the DNC?

[mkultra]

10. all candidates removed their names

from the ballot in MI in accordance except for one person. I wont say their name but it rhymes with Shillary Shinton.

It was to late for any removals in Florida when the pledge was signed.

[Ken Burch]

11. The pledge meant she was obligated not to campaign there.

And you know it.

THERE MUST BE A REVOTE in FLA. AND MI. Seating the current delegations can't be legitimate.

[mkultra]

13. frankly, i couldnt care less if they get screwed.

But a revote is the only fair thing that could possibly be done at this point. For every Shillbot that got "disenfranchised" by the state of Florida, there is a decent, good , upstanding ( ;) ) Obama supporter who would be disenfranchised by letting the first half ass primary stand.

[Exilednight]

29. I agree, revote and strip both MI and FL of their super delegates. If you're goin to punish.......

anyone, punish those who created this cluster fuck in the first place, the Democratic party officials of Florida.

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14. Exactly. It is simple reading comprehension. Right there in black and white. HRC broke no pledge.

Obama, tho, did.

[Ken Burch]

16. She did. She was obligated not to campaign and she was obligated not to gain from the scam.

There must be a revote. That's the only honorable and legitimate way to resolve this.

Do you fear the voters that much?

And Obama did not break his pledge.

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22. No she didn't. Yes, Obama did. She didn't campaign. Obama did. Delegates not mentioned in pledge.

Obama did break the pledge, his ads aired in FL.

He pledged not to campaign in FL.

He broke the pledge.

Simple stuff here.

Hillary aslo pledged not to campaign in FL.

She didn't.

She didn't break the pledge.

Can you show me where she did?

[ingac70]

23. Leaving her name on the ballot in MI. n/t

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25. Is not the same as campaigning, and the ALL had their names on the FL ballot.

[ingac70]

27. It was too late for any of them to remove their names in FL. n/t

[mkultra]

32. ONLY because they couldnt take them off

she shoudl have taken her name of MI

[dchill]

48. "Simple stuff here." - You bet.

VERY simple. She broke the pledge. Obama did not. See how simple everything is?

[mkultra]

20. wrong again

she campaigned and did not remove her name from MI. Here attempts to get the delegates reinstated breaks the pledge as well.

[ingac70]

21. What part don't you understand?

"I pledge I shall not campaign or participate in any election contest occurring in any state not already authorized by the DNC to take place in the DNC approved pre-window (any date prior to February 5, 2008)"

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24. Show me where she campaigned in FL before the vote.

[ingac70]

30. "participate in election contest"

The MI deadline to remove ones name when this was signed had not passed.... FL's deadline had.

She broke it by keeping her name on the ballot in MI.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

2. Read Harder. The OP headline is a lie

[mkultra]

37. reading harder wont help

but some honest introspection might.

[niceypoo]

3. Lot of grasping at straws today...

...the hate is getting out of control in Hopeville

[AX10]

5. Desperate for anything to smear her with.

"Hopetown" isn't looking very hopeful right now.

[mkultra]

18. nah, didnt have to work hard for this one

Smearing her is easy. A simply redirection of attention to the FACTS generally does the trick.

[Egnever]

28. are you kidding?

theres mountains of shit to smear her with. No one has to go away empty handed.

[BuyingThyme]

6. Strip?

[Melinda]

9. Not only did she pledge not to participate, but she stated she knew MI would not count, & she was ok

with it.

And she stuck with that pledge and by her own words too.... right up till the night of Super Tuesday and her losses began to kick in.


No one can refute what you posted - I checked before I joined in. :)

[MagsDem]

46. Obama had his supporters campaigning for him.... here is proof

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/01/09/voters_face_confusion_in_michi.html

Complete with the transcript of the ads his supporters ran in MI:

This is the script of the John and Monica Conyers radio ad, which will be broadcast on Detroit-area stations. Monica Conyers is president pro-tem of the Detroit City Council.

MALE: THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION IS CONFUSING. I WANT TO VOTE FOR BARACK OBAMA BUT OBAMA'S NAME IS NOT ON THE BALLOT.

FEMALE: THERE IS NO ONE ON THAT BALLOT I WANT TO BE PRESIDENT.

MALE: WELL, THESE FOLKS CAN HELP US. EXCUSE ME, CONGRESSMAN CONYERS AND COUNCILWOMAN CONYERS, WE NEED YOUR HELP.

FEMALE: HOW CAN WE VOTE FOR OBAMA ON TUESDAY?

Rep. Conyers: YOU CAN'T. YOU CANNOT EVEN WRITE IN OBAMA'S NAME. IF YOU DO YOUR VOTE WILL NOT COUNT BECAUSE OBAMA'S CAMPAIGN CHOSE NOT TO PLACE HIS NAME ON THE MICHIGAN BALLOT SO AS NOT TO VIOLATE NATIONAL DEMOCRATIC PARTY RULES. BUT YOU CAN VOTE UNCOMMITTED

Councilwoman Conyers: IF AT LEAST 15% OF THE PEOPLE VOTE UNCOMMITTED, THE STATE DEMOCRATIC PARTY MUST SEND THAT PERCENTAGE OF DELEGATES TO THE NATIONAL CONVENTION UNCOMMITTED.

Rep. Conyers: MY WIFE AND I ARE VOTING UNCOMMITTED. WE WILL WORK WITH THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY TO MAKE SURE THAT UNCOMMITTED DELEGATES GO TO THAT CONVENTION TRULY UNCOMMITTED SO THAT OBAMA CAN COMPETE FOR THEIR VOTE.

MALE: THANK YOU CONGRESSMAN CONYERS AND COUNCILWOMAN CONYERS. I WILL JOIN YOU AND VOTE UNCOMMITTED ON TUESDAY.

FEMALE: ME TOO - AT LEAST MY VOTE WON'T BE WASTED

Councilwoman Conyers: THIS TRUTH IN POLITICS MESSAGE WAS PAID FOR BY FRIENDS OF MONICA CONYERS

[Lord Helmet]

26. let her sue in court because she doesn't have a leg to stand on.

[TexasLady]

33. And Now I hear that private donors/Clinton Supporters

want to fund another revotefor FL and MI? hmmmm..
AND repukes will once again crossover vote for her in PA.


gee I wonder why?

[Lord Helmet]

35. god that's a recipe for disaster

[mkultra]

36. IM sure she has plenty of walmart and defense ind.

slugs ready to drop this kind of money for her.

[Ileanasouza]

34. I agree. There was a pact

that had to be kept. and she did not.

[johnnydrama]

38. she did

How can you pledge to not participate in any election contest" yet claim a victory.

Claiming victory is participating in the election contest.

[pampango]

52. If she can pledge not to participate in a primary and then lobby to seat

the delegates resulting from her "victory" in that primary, I have the right to not participate in the state lottery and then lobby the lottery commission to pay me for the winning ticket I didn't buy. ;)

[1776Forever]

39. Carville was on CNN tonight & said it was just politics that HRC is saying Obama not qualified!

This goes to show you that they don't care a darn what they say or do in the campaign. They think they can get away with anything! Carville said everyone plays these games. Everyone except Obama Carville. Hope he doesn't get jaded like the Clinton's ever!

:headbang:

[hayu_lol]

43. I really fail to understand why so many Obama supporters...

still insist that Hillary was the only candidate to leave her name on the Michigan ballot. She and three others left their names on the ballot.

If your name is not on the ballot, you are not running. That is not campaigning and there was absolutely no reason to remove their names.

So, it is unfair to Obama(inexperienced and stupid)that his name was not on the ballot? Hardly. That was HIS choice and that choice was not required.

Over and over, Obama supporters(some, not all)continue to chant "but his name wasn't on the ballot. If he had half a mind, his name would have remained on the ballot.

Since removing his name was his doing alone, why is the vote from Michigan not being accepted?

[1776Forever]

56. It is called following the rules of the Party - "What rules?" - Bush rules - He makes his own too...

October 09, 2007
Read More: Hillary Clinton

Clinton will stay in Michigan

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1007/Clinton_will_stay_in_Michigan.html

Breaking with her main rivals, Hillary Clinton won't file papers today to withdraw her name from the primary ballot in Michigan January 15.

"We will honor the pledge and not campaign or spend money in any state that is not in compliance with the DNC calendar, but it is not necessary to take the steps necessary to remove Senator Clinton's name from the ballot," said her communications director, Howard Wolfson.

The move means she's virtually certain to win the primary, but that her victory will mean even less. The Democratic National Committee has already announced plans not to seat Michigan's delegates at next year's Democratic National Convention, to punish the state for moving its primary forward in violation of party rules.

Clinton's move will likely draw criticism from her rivals, who may cast it as a gesture of disrespect to Iowa and the other early states.

"This is an extension of the pledge we made, based on the rules that the DNC laid out," said a spokesman for Barack Obama, Bill Burton. "We still hope that Michigan Democrats can adopt a process that meets DNC rules and, if so, look forward to fighting for the votes of men and women across the state."

[MagsDem]

44. Bullshit, he didn't say anything of the kind

You're lying.

[Medusa]

49. Oh well, that makes everything okay doesn't it?

:sarcasm:

[MagsDem]

45. She did NOT sign any pledge to take her name off the ballot in MI

Why are you lying about that/

[rug]

51. Do you mean she's drinking again!?!

[pdxmom]

53. If anyone thinks Clinton's announcement that Florida's delegates

should be seated on the eve of the Florida primary wasn't "campaigning", they need to retake Politics 101.

[DemVet]

54. Those who didn't participate in a primary or removed their names from a ballot weren't too bright.

[high density]

59. The states that moved up their primaries against the DNC rules weren't too bright

Let's focus on the real cause and effect here.