Interesting pattern on DU..Racism is a no-no but sexism is okay?

[Oleladylib]

[Saturday]

1. Yep, that's how it is here. nt

[greguganus]

45. lol 2 ppl complaining and neither one contributes to the site. n/t

[leftynyc]

68. I've been contributing for over 5 years

and I'm complaining too.

[VotesForWomen]

72. correct; sexism is cool, macho, hip, edgy, etc., It's how people prove they've 'got a set.' nt

[wndycty]

2. Sexism is also a no-no and I have denounced whenever it comes to my attention

:kick:

[Saturday]

10. Unfortunately (maybe not you personally) when it is brought

to the attention of Obama posters as sexism it is poopooed as not being sexist. The definition of sexism is made by each poster.

[wndycty]

29. As is the definiiton of racism . . .

. . .it goes both ways.

[Adelante]

47. That is not right

I consistently denounce sexism as do many other Obama supporters. I do, however, speak up when I judge the thing is being overused, which happens sometimes, because I think it weakens the arguments against sexism to overreact to every last instance, overanalyze and make a big deal over every goddamn thing, no matter how minor. I do the same about racism. There is a danger to calling out any old loose-lipped quip as sexist or racist. So perhaps to know it when you see it is something individual, but judgment must be applied in order for sense to be made and for the accusation to be taken seriously.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

3. Neither one is OK...

If you see something sexist, alert on it...

The moderators will handle it from there.

[calico1]

4. Sexism is okay and so is

ageism. You can freely refer to anyone over the age of 40 (sometimes younger) as old, senile, useless, etc.

Don't you just love being on a Progressive board?

[Adelante]

50. Look at how young people are disrespected here

Not that I am one, but it's alarming to me how ageism goes in both directions on DU.

[calico1]

56. You are right. It's bad in either direction. n/t

[Emit]

5. Oh please

the sexism thingy has been all over this board. It's a staple here.

[SoonerPride]

6. Both are bad.

Ok

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

7. Yawn

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4748699

[sniffa]

18. SNAP

Wow, that thread should open some eyes here.

Glad it was just locked and not zapped - I hate it when someone some fucked up shit, and then can deny they did since it's no longer there.

[Oleladylib]

21. Ah...there is a world out there beyond the end of one's nose! Smell!

[sniffa]

44. Eagles protrude on hilly back warmers. dig.

[Oleladylib]

22. gosh even the GI Joe doll had 9 other points of reference. Bornagin..it figures

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

53. Well there's this too...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4777209#4777381

[Oleladylib]

62. gosh I'm blushin'(that's hard for me, I'm .......!)

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

65. What you think about it, OLL, really doesn't matter.

I think we've managed to demonstrate that rather effectively.

[Oleladylib]

66. naw..not really...credibility scale...maybe a 2(I'm feelin generous.)

[redqueen]

23. Nice one.

So many hypocrites around here lately. Can't wait till this is over and all the... "less-interested" people go back to wherever they came from.

[jgraz]

48. Thanks for saving me the trouble of looking that up

I'll try to find her "I won't say 'uppity'" post.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

51. Oh yeah.

I forget who it was who responed favorably to that one too.

[jgraz]

52. Go look for yourself

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4777209&mesg_id=4777381

No surprises there. :eyes:

[americanstranger]

8. It seems to be the same everywhere.

In the wake of the Ferraro comments, Clinton the supporters who comment on the story have said they have no problem with Ferraro's charges of a 'sexist media.'

AFAIC, if one charge is out of bounds, the other should be. Or both should be fair game.

- as

[Oleladylib]

41. He's black, she's female..whitemen just don't discuss whitemen..get over it.

[Dinger]

9. Them's The New "Rule" Here , But

neither is o.k. with me.

[Cant trust em]

11. The sad truth.

What's funny is that I doubt that the people who are throwing sexist diatribes out there would consider themselves sexist.

[Fresh_Start]

12. ageism in both directions seems to be A-OK with DU

spit on the young, spit on the old.

[olkaz]

15. there is a lot more spitting on the young, as far as I've seen.

Those whippersnappers weren't there with us in 2006 or even 2004!

Expunge them!

(and yes, it's ironic)

[Fresh_Start]

19. I believe its been in both directions

talking about Clinton and McCain wrinkles
talking about Clinton's broad beam
speculating about whether Clinton will be overwrought when she 'goes through the change'
blaming the boomers for all thats wrong in the country...
all come to my mind

in addition to the you can't rely on youth vote.

[Oleladylib]

33. Idiots ...she's 60 change is something she has already experienced.

[BenDavid]

13. What I reject most is how the obama folks will cast a stone at

anything HRC or her staff says or does as being racist. And when we HRC supporters try to provide the "truth" you've already labeled Hillary a racist, so what do the facts matter? And I still have not been given an answer to the following: Who was it that got us to stop fighting the Bush bastards so we could fight each other? Who gained power by splitting the party and getting Democrats to fight Democrats? I answer both OBAMA!

[Name removed]

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[Oleladylib]

25. Yes, Sir...absolutely correct..Thank YOU

[Occam Bandage]

14. Interesting pattern on DU...Clinton supporters can cry sexism with impunity for any

criticism of Clinton, no matter how legitimate, but Obama supporters get accused of "playing the race card" when referencing racist attacks on their candidate.

[americanstranger]

20. That's what I'm sayin'!

The reaction to Ferraro's 'sexist media' comment is that they all agree.

If one charge is fair game, so should the other be. Or both cards should be kept in the deck, IMO.

- as

[Oleladylib]

27. It has better be fair game 'cause the repubs are waiting in the wings.

[Ordr]

17. Boo hoo.

Criticism isn't sexism.
The fact that she happens to be female doesn't make her a less pathetic human being.

[Independent-Voter]

26. Word!

[GarbagemanLB]

24. Good point! I notice a lot of Hillary supporters say sexist remarks and don't get in trouble.

[americanstranger]

40. I think sometimes people forget that since there are two sexes...

...both sides (male and female) are open to charges of sexism.

I've seen statements on this board that suggest that all men are sexist, no exceptions - and that is somehow tied to the fact that Hillary Clinton is not winning this primary season.

Of course, that assertion isn't sexism, because it's a woman saying it. Or something.

- as

[Recursion]

28. The problem is...

...it's hard to filter out complaints about actual sexism from an all-too-common tendency for a minority of Clinton supporters to say that our claim that we don't trust Senator Clinton to be President is ipso facto sexist, along with a frankly more common deconstruction of our desire not to nominate Senator Clinton to "actually" mean we don't want a woman to be President.

[Armstead]

30. I think racism and sexism are both okay

The only reason I don't support Hillary is because she is female.

That Barak boy gives me problems. I'd kinda like to vote for him, but he's not white 'n all.

And I'd never vote for McCain, because he's Irish and you know how THEY are.


:sarcasm:

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

31. For every *1* post that has anything which can bee seen as sexism

I see one hundred whoa is me post about the rampant sexism on DU...

Its an invented problem here..

[DefenseLawyer]

32. You need some new material, Banya

I heard you also do 15 minutes on ovaltine.

[ScreamingMeemie]

34. So let me get this straight...

I don't like Clinton or Obama...and that makes me a sexist racist right? Why can't a person not like the candidates that have been foisted upon her and just be honest? I don't like them, okay? And I'm just a person. A person looking for someone to actually represent my interests. Those two only represent their own, skin color or possession of a vagina aside.

[Oleladylib]

35. Thanks a fine admission..no problem with that 'tall.

[ScreamingMeemie]

36. But, if I supported Obama, I'd be sexist, right?

[Oleladylib]

38. you would have to answer that yourself...if you just don't want a female prez..yup!

[americanstranger]

42. What if I don't want THIS female for prez?

Sexist?

- as

[americanstranger]

61. No answer?

I believe Barbara Boxer would make a good president. I always wished the late, great Ann Richards would have had a chance to run - she would have made a great president.

I, however, believe that Hillary Clinton is too polarizing of a figure to be able to get anything done in the Oval Office.

Is that sexist?

- as

[ScreamingMeemie]

43. I don't see a lot people saying that. I see a lot of people saying they

don't want that female as president.

It is a shame what the supporters of both candidates have done with their claims.

I am only invigorated by the grassroots local campaigns that will, in time, boot these yokels out of the positions they think they deserve.

[JimGinPA]

37. Blatant Racism > Faux Sexism

:eyes:

[Oleladylib]

39. That's a riot.

[jgraz]

46. Yes, Oleladylib. Racism is a no-no

I'm sure that's a great disappointment to you, given your posting history.


Sorry, was that too "uppity" for you?

[Oleladylib]

59. But sexism isn't a no-no...? Yes, it is a teccch to uppity..but, I'll endure..thanks for your care

[rodeodance]

49. You have made an excellant and truthful observation. Sexism is rapid on this Forum

[jgraz]

54. As is racism. Note the smiley response to this post

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4777209&mesg_id=4777381

Hmmm... whoever could that be?



Oh, and the word is RAMPANT. Sylvan Learning Center is your friend.

[Emit]

57. Hand in the cookie jar

oh my!

[rodeodance]

58. NO--i mean that it is quickly applied to many situaltions. And please stop stalking me.

Forum Name General Discussion: Primaries
Topic subject As is racism. Note the smiley response to this post
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5019597#5021572
5021572, As is racism. Note the smiley response to this post
Posted by jgraz on Tue Mar-11-08 01:44 PM

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4777209&mesg_id=4777381

Hmmm... whoever could that be?



Oh, and the word is RAMPANT. Sylvan Learning Center is your friend.

[jgraz]

60. What, you don't stand by your posts? Are you ashamed of what you posted?

Quit hiding behind bullshit stalking allegations. There's a search feature on this site for a reason.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

63. Maybe you can reject and denounce yourself.

You don't count.

[Oleladylib]

67. There has GOT to be a better photo for JE out there somewhere.

[jgraz]

71. Well, I tried to darken his skin as much as I could

I figured you Hillary folks would like that.

[Oleladylib]

74. No it's the grin...there's a term..hmmmmmmmmmmm.

[uberblonde]

55. Yep.

Because that's how we prove how "liberal" we are!

[Medusa]

64. It's not sexist if I don't like her

it's just my opinion.

[shadowknows69]

69. Well, I'm forced to agree since you gave so many glaring examples

You wasted a post on this? Thank you.

[here_is_to_hope]

70. Not this shit again....n/t

[noel711]

73. It depends.....

Am I sexist if I criticize Senator Clinton?
(which seems to happen to be a lot..
if I question her statements, or her actions,
I'm called a traitor to the cause of women)

Or if I call her a wicked bitch?
(which I don't do,
but I think that's the definition of sexism)

Am I racist if I question or criticize Senator Obama?
(Which I have done from the beginning, but
I think he is our best hope)

Or if I call him a black so-and-so?
(which I don't do,
but I think that's part of racism...)

There seem to be double standards...
based on whose side of the fence one is standing.

HOnestly questioning a candidate's views or actions
is part of the process; alienating their humanity
from their accomplishments and gifts,
denigrating them or their families...
that's the real problem.