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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:40 PM
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The Invisible Women: We Are the Majority, We Are Hillary
The Invisible Women
by Pamela Leavey
March 9th, 2008 @ 11:29 pm

The Democratic Daily

The “Invisible Women” know that they are “Not Invisible” to Hillary Clinton and that is what draws them to her candidacy:

Much has been written about how boomer women have rallied to Hillary’s cause (she won an impressive 67 percent of the white women voting in Ohio; they were 44 percent of the total). It’s fashionable to write off this core element of her base as rabid paleo-feminists fighting the tired old gender wars of the past. But Hillary’s appeal to the boomer gals is wider and deeper than that. Cynthia Ruccia, a grass-roots political organizer in Columbus, told me that in these last beleaguered weeks, women started showing up in waves at Clinton headquarters—women who told her they had never volunteered in a campaign before. “There was just an outpouring about the way she was being treated by the media,” Ruccia said. “It was something we hadn’t seen in a long time. We all felt, as women, we had made a lot of progress, and we saw this as an attack of misogyny that was trying to beat her down.”

It’s a revolt that has been overdue for a while and has now found its focus in Clinton’s candidacy. In 1952, Ralph Ellison’s revelatory novel, “Invisible Man,” nailed the experience of being black in America. In the relentless youth culture of the early 21st century, if you are 50 and female, the novel that’s being written on your forehead every day is “Invisible Woman.” All over the country there are vigorous, independent, self-liberated boomer women—women who possess all the management skills that come from raising families while holding down demanding jobs, women who have experience, enterprise and, among the empty nesters, a little financial independence, yet still find themselves steadfastly dissed and ignored. Advertisers don’t want them. TV networks dump their older anchorwomen off the air. Hollywood studios refuse to write parts for them. Employers make it clear they’d prefer a “fresh (cheaper) face.”

The “Invisible Women”…

We’re the ones who fought the battles for the Equal Rights Amendment for decades only to see it not be ratified and be made part of the U.S. Constitution.

We’re the ones who remember when “women’s studies” was not offered at colleges and universities across the nation.

We’re the ones who remember when women sportscaster’s weren’t allowed in the men’s locker room.

The list goes on and on. For many of of the “Invisible Women,” her scar tissue is our scar tissue. And some look deep into their souls and suddenly realize “I am Hillary.”

Sadly we are “Still Stuck In Second,” and the “double standard is alive and well; it’s just more nuanced.” And here’s the rub that progressive men in the Democratic Party who are among those wielding the sexist memes against Hillary Clinton should remember, “Make no mistake about it: if we’re going to continue to have elections that excite and engage, we need the women.”

We need the women. The women in politics give the “Invisible Women” hope. It’s not the hope that floats from pictures of change sung on speeches filled with rhetoric — no it’s the hope that “Invisible Women” can hold on to because they get that Hillary Clinton she’s and hear’s them. They get that she’s listening. And that’s something that Barack Obama hasn’t told them
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:43 PM
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1. If you were the majority...
Clinton probably wouldn't be losing so badly.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:44 PM
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2. Women are in fact the majority... but we're not all supporting Clinton. (nt)
Edited on Tue Mar-11-08 12:45 PM by redqueen
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:45 PM
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5. Exactly my point.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:48 PM
Response to Reply #5
11. Ah, I get it now. Heh... "We are Hillary"
Is it just me, or is that kinda weird?
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:50 PM
Response to Reply #11
17. it's just you...............n/t
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skater314159 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:05 AM
Response to Reply #17
252. Invalidation and dismissal.
Nice.
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:50 PM
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21. You Get Nothing
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:03 PM
Response to Reply #21
53. What?
I was saying that I got what the other poster was saying. Which I do.

:wtf:
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skater314159 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:04 AM
Response to Reply #53
251. Thats them trying shame, guilt and manipulation.
Check out my post here:

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/skater314159/168

You'll notice that they use the fear, guilt, or manipulation everytime someone calls them on their shit.
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skater314159 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:06 AM
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254. Withdrawl of conditional approval and love. Withholding. nt
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:33 PM
Response to Reply #254
383. ROFLMAO:such idiocy: u don't know what you're talking about: it's "unconditional" approval
Edited on Wed Mar-12-08 12:34 PM by amborin
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theredpen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:59 PM
Response to Reply #383
398. Such mockery from someone who can't spell "you"
:eyes:
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:55 PM
Response to Reply #11
28. Cultish, isn't it!?
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:56 PM
Response to Reply #28
30. Very cult-like. Glad there are intelligent women out there who can see past the BS and support Obama
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:57 PM
Response to Reply #11
120. You're fine, it's weird
Edited on Tue Mar-11-08 02:04 PM by OhioBlues
a rah rah meme and it feels weird to me too.
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skater314159 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:02 AM
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249. It's typical of Borderline Personality Disorder...
... I had just considered these types of posts indicative of emotional blackmail or passive-agressive tendencies... but now I am tending towards BPD as the "we are Hillary" is kinda sketchy.

It's that "identity disturbance: markedly and persistently unstable self-image or sense of self" is listed in DSM-IV as a crierion for BPD.

Good catch redqueen!
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 02:19 AM
Response to Reply #249
297. My mom is an MFCC LMFT. Your casual character assination of Hiallry supporters is dishonest
egregious and disrespectful of those truly suffering with mental illnesses.

You mock them.
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skater314159 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:04 PM
Response to Reply #297
366. You need to seek help and a possible referral from her. nt
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 02:20 AM
Response to Reply #249
298. You mock the pain of those truly suffering from mental illnesses.
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skater314159 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:03 PM
Response to Reply #298
365. I'm not mocking you. Just pointing out behaviours.
Not letting you get away with your emotional blackmail.
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:17 AM
Response to Reply #11
264. Resistance is futile. You WILL be assimilated.
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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 03:55 AM
Response to Reply #11
312. Weird, yet familiar: "we are Legion, for we are many."
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:27 AM
Response to Reply #11
337. Who's the cult now, eh? Creepy.
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:46 PM
Response to Reply #2
6. No, but 67% are supporting her
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:48 PM
Response to Reply #6
8. Doesn't seem to be enough...
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:48 PM
Response to Reply #8
10. Maybe, maybe not but I would think about the GE
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:49 PM
Response to Reply #10
14. What about the GE? What are you trying to imply there?
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:54 PM
Response to Reply #14
27. Obama will lose some female votes
if Hillary is not the nominee, in the same way, Hillary would lose some Black votes if Obama is not the nominee. It works both ways
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:08 PM
Response to Reply #27
61. If it works both ways, then why the melodrama...
acting as if we MUST nominate Hillary or we'll lose?

This is just nonsense.
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skater314159 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:14 AM
Response to Reply #61
259. That's the manipulation speaking again...
... don't try to figure it out... it'll just give you a migrane!
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JAbuchan08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:08 PM
Response to Reply #61
369. There are more women than African Americans
Hillary is banking on getting most women while turning Obama into a black candidate. His greatest strength is his flexible and inclusive identity which she is trying to take away from him. She can win by being divisive along identity lines, but he can't.

Which is not to excuse this, or say that Obama can't win, but simply to say that if people buy into this BS he certainly won't.
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:57 PM
Response to Reply #14
33. That Democrats Can't Win Without Us
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Labors of Hercules Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:00 PM
Response to Reply #33
45. without you? and how exactly does it benefit YOU to vote for McCain?
over Obama?
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:14 PM
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69. I think "you"=collective group of women
Some will vote for McCain, some will vote independent, some will be able to write in their preferred candidate and many will not vote at all. Here is an example: I live in the capitol city of my state which is not large and has just enough electoral votes to put us over the edge and make this a blue state. Yesterday at my local grocery store, there was a group of women with a petition asking women to sign to NOT VOTE if Hillary is not the nominee. I didn't sign it, but I checked, there were 38,000 female names on it. Imagine this going on in other major cities. Will all of these women not vote? Of course not, many will vote anyway. Do they realize that a non vote is a vote for McCain? Sure they do and they also know that the female vote is the largest voting block in the country.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:43 PM
Response to Reply #69
106. Women are not a voting block. They are a demographic.
A voting block is a group of like-minded persons supporting specific policies. I don't think you'll ever find Phyllis Schlafley or Ann Coulter counting themselves as part of the Hillary voting block.

PROGRESSIVE womem are a voting block. And being progressive, they will vote on issues, not gender.

You paint with too wide a brush.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 02:55 PM
Response to Reply #106
145. Women can become a voting bloc and this may be

the issue that will cause them to do so. Women are seeing the unfair treatment HRC is receiving while the media fawns over an inexperienced man.

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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 03:25 PM
Response to Reply #145
148. Again, do you think Phyllis Schlafely gives a shit? nt
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:03 PM
Response to Reply #145
206. You're not really an expert on media bias. You thought Terri Shiavo still had a cerebral cortex.
NT!

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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:01 PM
Response to Reply #69
205. If they were going to vote for Clinton, they'll probably vote for McLame.
Unless, of course, they're confused into thinking she's actually a liberal.

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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 02:22 AM
Response to Reply #205
299. That makes no sense, either on it's face or in response to the post .
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:08 PM
Response to Reply #33
60. You'd vote for McCain rather than Obama?
Is that what you're saying?
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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:09 PM
Response to Reply #33
64. So go ahead and vote for McCain.
Then you can kiss your reproductive rights goodbye.

Sheah, that's a plan! Show the Patriarchy you will not be bullied!!

(Don't you people bother to think shit through?)

- as
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:31 PM
Response to Reply #64
90. The GOP will never ever do away with abortion because

they use it as a wedge issue, like you just did to try to frighten women into voting for BO.

I will NOT vote for BO. If he gets the nomination, I will vote third party, as will my husband, daughter, and son-in-law. He can't win us over, we see right through him.
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 02:25 AM
Response to Reply #90
300. Yes, they know the American people wouldn't stand for it. Then some Dems hold it over our heads,
almost like a threat....as in 'you need us (more then we need you?) Oh, how wrong they are finding that assumption to be.
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salbi Donating Member (195 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 02:08 PM
Response to Reply #33
133. Are you implying women will not vote if it's not Hillary?? I'm a woman and support Obama
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skater314159 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:15 AM
Response to Reply #33
261. Desperation. nt
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:49 PM
Response to Reply #8
240. 67% Means so Little to you?! I guarantee you it means something to party leaders.
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skater314159 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:16 AM
Response to Reply #240
262. Link please? nt
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:17 PM
Response to Reply #6
218. Link?
TIA...:hi:
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:48 PM
Response to Reply #2
111. the assumption that women will support The Woman is a big crock
of ... stuff. God. I truly hate this line of thinking. Invisible women must be casting invisible votes because she sure ain't winning like he is.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:51 PM
Response to Reply #111
115. I'll vote for her in the GE, sure... but pick her as a candidate cause of her gender?
PFFFT!
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:50 PM
Response to Reply #115
241. Again, we support her because she's a great candidate too. You would NOT criticize Obama supporters
for voting for him partly because he;s black.

THINK about it.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:08 AM
Response to Reply #241
256. Umm... lots of us would criticize that
Where do you get the idea that it wouldn't bother us?
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 02:27 AM
Response to Reply #256
301. You aren't even being genuine. It's widely known black people want him for the same reasons women
want HRC....EQUAL REPRESENTAION, TO BE LIFTED UP IN THE WORLD
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 02:44 AM
Response to Reply #301
306. Having a President of your race or sex isn't "equal representation"
And an Obama presidency wouldn't by itself be some kind of "victory for African Americans" any more than a Clinton presidency would be some kind of "victory for women".
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 04:06 AM
Response to Reply #306
317. That qualifies as the most thoughtless, idiotic post today. It's not, really?
Equal representation means having members of your group represented, DUH. That includes getting diversity in the highedt office in the land. Centuries of all white men is NOT representative of all America.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:25 AM
Response to Reply #317
336. The problem is not and has never been the race and gender of political figureheads
(And you do, I hope, realize that the Presidency is a figurehead, when you get right down to it?)

You could have a black President or a female President or an openly gay President or a Native American President and it wouldn't do a damn thing for blacks, women, LGBT persons, or Native Americans except for being another reason the powerful could tell them to shut up and sit back down.
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 02:29 AM
Response to Reply #256
302. That is accepted, understood, and rightly so. We all want equal representation.
It isn't the only reason they want him, just as it isn't for us wanting HRC. We all believe our candidates are also qualified and inspiring.

Black people wouldn't vote for Alan Keyes, and we wouldn't vote for Elizabeth Dole.
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skater314159 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:17 AM
Response to Reply #241
263. I would, as that is RACIST.
Or is that another concept you are unclear of?
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 02:31 AM
Response to Reply #263
303. You boast ludicrous opinions. Black people want equal representation just like women, rightly so.
and you would NEVER criticize them for it, or say that was the ONLY reason they are voting for him.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 03:56 AM
Response to Reply #303
313. I find it funny how we keep saying "yes, we would criticize people for that"
And you keep insisting that we never would, as if you had some sort of Crystal Ball of Moral Superiority.
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 04:07 AM
Response to Reply #313
318. I can see YOU would, and you are ALONE, ALONE people. The dumbest posts today.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:28 AM
Response to Reply #318
338. You're being patronizing, dismissive, and insulting
You're projecting the extent to which you identify with and seek validation from elected officials onto the rest of us and dismissively saying our point of view is impossible.
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skater314159 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 01:00 PM
Response to Reply #318
400. Insults and Isolating. More emotional blackmail. nt
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skater314159 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:02 PM
Response to Reply #303
364. How white of you to say that.
And passive agressive too.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:55 PM
Response to Reply #2
119. I am.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:57 PM
Response to Reply #2
204. That's because you don't support lying cheats.
Yet others expect you to support her simply because she's female.

Isn't THAT sexist?

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Carolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 06:33 AM
Response to Reply #2
328. exactly, this woman will
NEVER suport SHrillary Low Road
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:48 PM
Response to Reply #1
12. "It ain't over until it's over," as Yogi Berra said.

And it ain't over by a long shot.
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:45 PM
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3. I am one of these invisible women
and am proud to stand with an imperfect female candidate.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:45 PM
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4. So, basically, all you're looking for in a President is two X Chromosomes?
How about Phylis Schlafly?
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:48 PM
Response to Reply #4
9. No, and ignorance like yours will be the downfall of this party if it isn't roundly rejected
once and for all
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:55 PM
Response to Reply #9
29. Must have hit a nerve, eh?
Edited on Tue Mar-11-08 12:56 PM by impeachdubya
Bottom line is, run Barbara Boxer for President and I will be enthusiastic to vote for her in the Primaries. This gibberish about how we all don't like Hillary Clinton just because she's a woman is utter garbage.

I like HRC. I respect her. But I used to like her a lot more, and unless I'm mistaken, her gender has remained unchanged over the past 16 years- before she got in the Senate and started neo-con triangulating with her Iraq vote, before she started pandering on meaningless nonsense like flag burning and video games. Before she decided to run an early primary campaign based entirely on the dubious notion that if her people told enough voters her victory was inevitable, they would all jump on board the train (rather than making the sale as to why she deserved it) ... before her later campaign reminded many of us of all the reasons, irregardless of the fact that the country was run much better in the 90s than it is now, that we were sort of sick of the Clinton drama by the year 2000.

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knixphan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:25 PM
Response to Reply #29
80. bingo!
Barabara Boxer in 2016!
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lmbradford Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:40 PM
Response to Reply #29
186. me too....
I LOVE her but can't even cast a vote for Hillary.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:05 PM
Response to Reply #29
207. Boxer - now there's a QUALIFIED female candidate!
NT!

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skater314159 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:19 AM
Response to Reply #207
265. True dat. nt
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 02:33 AM
Response to Reply #265
304. Bbarbara Boxer would not approve of your sexist rants, or attempts to shut down discussion of sexism
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skater314159 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:01 PM
Response to Reply #304
363. She wouldn't approve of your emotional blackmail. nt
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:46 PM
Response to Reply #9
108. So IOW, conservative women are NOT part of this monolithic
majority - which means it is NOT a majority.

It's a false premise.

Just like 90% of everything about Hillary.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 03:39 PM
Response to Reply #108
152. In case you haven't noticed, a LOT of very progressive women are supporting Obama.
I'll tell you what's a "false premise"- that anyone who opposes HRC is doing so because she has a vagina, or that Democratic women are somehow obligated to support her for the same reason.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 04:02 PM
Response to Reply #152
154. I have noticed. We're in agreement.
did you think otherwise, or am I misreading you?

"Women" are not a voting block - if they were, Schlafley would be supporting Hillary for president. If you take conservative women out of that block, and take hard leftists out of that block, and the post-boomer women who are supporting Obama out of that block, you're left with a "majority" of 50+ boomer women - and far from all of them.

Therefore, the false premise that 51% of the population (ALL women) is Hillary's base.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 04:11 PM
Response to Reply #154
157. Gotcha. I misread YOU.
We're on the same page. Sorry.
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 02:33 AM
Response to Reply #152
305. and you are missing the POINT,if that's all you get from reading about what is going on.
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:52 PM
Response to Reply #108
243. 18% of Republican women said they would vote for her. It IS a majority, especially in this party.
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skater314159 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:19 AM
Response to Reply #243
266. Link to that reference? nt
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 02:14 AM
Response to Reply #266
296. Here. It's simple to find, You like to ask 4 links only to imply something is untrue.
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skater314159 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:25 AM
Response to Reply #296
350. That didn't answer my question.
Where is your data that the majority of Democrats will vote for Hillary?

THAT is what I asked for - not Republicans - unless that applies to you somehow...

Anyway, I want the data that you pulled out of ... hopefully Google, that says the high percentages of women vote for Hillary. Where is THAT data.

You spout numbers, but don't give any links, and you insult me? Rich.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 01:45 PM
Response to Reply #243
413. 18% for = 82% against.
A real majority.


:eyes:
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:49 PM
Response to Reply #4
16. No....
we want a woman who stands up for women's rights....who fought for women's health care and birth control rights. We want a woman with a history of standing up for women. Oh, and a woman who is ACTUALLY running for president on the Democratic ticket.

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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:01 PM
Response to Reply #16
49. You mean like in 2005, when Hillary pandered to anti-choice members of the religious right?
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 05:32 PM
Response to Reply #49
160. You really need to get a grip.....
Hillary has supported and fought for women's birth control rights for years. I could give a shit if she does a little pandering. Pandering obviously doesn't bother you if you are voting for Obama because he's a master at pandering.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 06:41 PM
Response to Reply #160
167. Pandering- like voting for the Iraq War?
Edited on Tue Mar-11-08 06:42 PM by impeachdubya
News Flash: BOTH Obama and HRC are pro-choice. McCain, who Hillary essentially endorsed OVER Obama, is NOT.

Who needs to get a grip? Hillary based her entire early campaign on the idea that she had the nomination sewn up, that it was "hers", that she was "inevitable". Didn't work out so well. To understand the logic in the OP, now the argument that folks should support her is that she's a woman... oh, and I guess boomers don't want to be reminded that they're getting old.

Hillary has never made the sale as to why she should be the nominee. Ever. She's run a shitty campaign, and that's according to people on HER side. And her supporters are pissed, because they figured she should have been handed the thing 8 months ago.

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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:51 PM
Response to Reply #160
390. And yet, Hillary helped seat Alito and Roberts on the Supreme Court.
YES.
The DLC, lead by ex-Chairman of the DLC Lieberman, actively worked with the Republicans to seat Alito and Roberts.
(SEE:Gang of 14)

Do you remeber Hillary marching to the front to oppose these judges?
Did she join up with Kerry in his attempt to filabuster their appointment?
Did Hillary use her celebrity ststus to demand face time on all the talking head shows to take her opposition to the American People....

No. she didn't~!
She kept quiet and watched these assholes get rammed down the throats of America.

If she REALLY cared, she would have been standing with Kerry, NOT the DLC.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:51 PM
Response to Reply #4
22. All you're looking for is one with a Y chromosome,

which carries almost no genetic information except "Grow penis" and "Refuse to stop and ask for directions."
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:56 PM
Response to Reply #22
31. What a lovely sentiment.
Meh.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:37 PM
Response to Reply #31
97. Not a sentiment at all, it's a fact that the Y

chromosome contains the genetic info to make a fetus grow a penis (before that kicks in, every fetus is female.)

The part about not stopping and asking for directions was a joke as it is a common trait among men.

If you'd heard it on Letterman, or from an Obama supporter, you'd be laughing.
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skater314159 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:23 AM
Response to Reply #97
268. There are females with XY genotype.
Everyone starts out female by default until the SRY gene "turns on" and tells the gonadal tissues to develop.

I wouldn't mind if a woman with Swyer's Syndrome ran for office... as long as she was QUALIFIED!
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:57 PM
Response to Reply #22
35. What? What kind of gibberish is that?
When Barbara Boxer runs for president, I will happily support her in the primary process.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:08 PM
Response to Reply #22
210. Sexist remark. How much does your hypocrisy sting?
NT!

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skater314159 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:25 AM
Response to Reply #210
269. You can only feel sensation and or pain when you are conscious. nt
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Carolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 06:37 AM
Response to Reply #4
329. that's the Hillbots
cry sexism but vote for Shrillary Low Road because she's a woman. Sheesh!
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:47 PM
Response to Original message
7. Wow, demeaning women to make a case for Hillary. Pathetic. n/t
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:49 PM
Response to Reply #7
15. You Deamean and Ignore US....at this parties peril. Pathetic.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:50 PM
Response to Reply #15
18. Look
visible women


The OP is pathetic!

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:19 PM
Response to Reply #18
73. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:31 PM
Response to Reply #73
91. Your comment is desperate and bordering on sheer idiocy! n/t
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psychmommy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:50 PM
Response to Reply #73
113. scary angry black man pic again
sorry this particular pic doesn't do the trick. we don't think hil is angry. she is desperate as hell. the use of this pic by hillary supporters over and over says a whole lot to me about racial politics. the gender card/the race card whatever card she can pull out of the bag of tricks. he is still winning. " can i be your vice president bo pretty please".
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:00 PM
Response to Reply #15
46. As with so many of Hillary Clinton's supporters, you seem to take her losing very personally.
You are not Hillary. She is a separate person. You actually likely have very little in common with her, but you have seized upon gender as somehow transforming you and her into the same person.

It doesn't work that way. This is a political race and a political party. It is isn't about you personally.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:10 PM
Response to Reply #46
211. Indeed. It's almost like they think she, a rich person they'll never meet, gives a shit about them.
Suckers.

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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:57 PM
Response to Reply #46
245. YES, You're starting to get at it, but not understand. THE PERSONAL IS POLITICAL. Yes, were offended
PERSONALLY. Because it IS PERSONAL.


THE PERSONAL IS POLITICAL.....in case you never heard.
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skater314159 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:09 AM
Response to Reply #245
257. Dadaist Rant Time!!!
Edited on Wed Mar-12-08 12:11 AM by skater314159
You need a Dadaist picture to go with your rant.

Here's one:

"PERSONALLY. Because it IS PERSONAL.


THE PERSONAL IS POLITICAL.....in case you never heard."


See? Now it's ART!
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:48 AM
Response to Reply #245
341. Oh come on. It's not 1974 any more.
If you are going to sacrifice your political future (as well as that of others like you) for your own personal affront, then no wonder we are so fucked.
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:05 PM
Response to Reply #341
367. We are the political future. 1974 was a great year, and now we get to vote for a great woman because
of what women did then. We aren't sacrificing anything. It's so arrogant of you to suggest that when this race is tight and she is carrying the crucial states, because of US.

I guarantee you party leaders see what's happening.

This party is nothing without us.

I think they'd better stop taking our votes for granted, us for granted.

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Laurab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:11 PM
Response to Reply #15
65. This "invisible woman" is disgusted by Hillary and her tactics.
She has lost my vote, and apparently, those of many others, too. Hillary supporters "demean and ignore" THAT at this party's peril.

Her attacks on the other dem candidate are beyond the pale, and she'll be lucky to be voted back into her Senate seat by the time this is over.
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fedupinBushcountry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:49 PM
Response to Reply #65
193. Yes we are
Agree 100%.
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:58 PM
Response to Reply #65
246. You are missing the POINT. Women arew angry about how she's been treated, the sexism.
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Laurab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:24 AM
Response to Reply #246
349. No, I didn't "miss the point".
Nor do I see much in the way of "sexism" - I see ugly, ugly things coming from the Clinton campaign, and I'm not blind enough to ignore them just because I'm a woman. I see things that I definitely do NOT want in my next president, and it has nothing to do with Hillary being a woman.

I don't understand how anyone who has seen the things she has done in this campaign can still back HRC. I now feel she would continue the "above the law" tactics of the present administration, because of her hunger for power above everything else, including party loyalty. In fact, nothing she does now would surprise me, and it has NOTHING to do with the fact that she's a woman.
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AgadorSparticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:46 AM
Response to Reply #349
358. best post yet. you expressed so well all the things I'm thinking. thank you.
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skater314159 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:34 AM
Response to Reply #65
275. Hear hear!!! nt
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:12 PM
Response to Reply #15
66. consider yourself ignored
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:01 AM
Response to Reply #66
247. I'll continue to share my observations. Elizabth Cady-Stanton said it's each persons duty.
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skater314159 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:31 AM
Response to Reply #247
271. Unlike you, Elizabth Cady-Stanton had an actual point.
Edited on Wed Mar-12-08 12:33 AM by skater314159
She was a social activist.

You are just an angry and bitter person with a poor sense of self and an unstable self-image.
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 04:16 AM
Response to Reply #271
319. Do NOT disgrace her memory. You haven't read her writings. She started the women's movement.
she was not just a 'social activist'.....she was anti-slavery, and then started the women's movement almost single handedly with Lucretia Mott after anti-slavery men refused to seat them inside the conference in London.

The women's rights movement was HER LIFE.

She wrote about these very same things over 125 years ago.

She would disprove and disapprove everything you've written here.
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:52 AM
Response to Reply #319
342. erm, no
read "The Ladies of Seneca Falls." While Cady Stanton was one of the early feminists, she was not the first, nor did she work alone.

And I doubt she'd be proud of a female candidate for president who uses the same slimy tactics as male candidates, especially race-baiting & fear-mongering. She had much higher standards.

dg
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skater314159 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:34 AM
Response to Reply #342
354. Thank you. nt
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:24 PM
Response to Reply #354
378. YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW HISTORY, or you distort it. It is repugnant. READ.
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skater314159 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 01:06 PM
Response to Reply #378
406. More insults, And history is not repugnant. nt
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skater314159 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 01:20 PM
Response to Reply #378
412. Didn't you threaten to stop responding to me?
And didn't I point out that was a tactic of emotional blackmailers?

How is this working for you? Are you happier? Or are you more irate?

What do you really want? Do you even know?
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:07 PM
Response to Reply #342
368. Elizabeth Cady Stanton organized the 1st Women's Rights Conference w/ Lucretia Mott
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:21 PM
Response to Reply #368
376. double post
Edited on Wed Mar-12-08 12:23 PM by LulaMay
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:08 PM
Response to Reply #342
370. She WROTE THE DECLARATION OF SENTIMENTS. It was INDEED the start of the movement.
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:14 PM
Response to Reply #342
372. That meeting & signing of the Sentiments is considered the start of the movement by EVERY HISTORIAN
in every history book on the subject.

Stop spreading untruths for your own misguided purpose. You look foolish.

Don't discredit the leader of that most important movement. Her achievements were remarkable and central to the women's movement, even now.



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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:22 PM
Response to Reply #372
377. She wasn't the first & she wasn't alone
I never said what she did was not important (it was). You are the one who is discrediting her by insisting she would support a female candidate for president who uses race-baiting & fear-mongering to get votes.

dg
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:27 PM
Response to Reply #377
379. SHE IS THE NOTED mother and leader of that movement, of course she wasn't alone!
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:28 PM
Response to Reply #377
380. SUSAN B. ANTHONY joined up with her later, and delivered her speeches. WHO ARE YOU SPEAKING OF?
WHAT HISTORY ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?????
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:35 PM
Response to Reply #380
385. Read the book I cited
It's very informative & shows that you are playing with the truth by stating Elizabeth Cady Stanton was the first feminist & worked alone.

dg
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:45 PM
Response to Reply #385
386. I HAVE READ IT, and much, much more. You are DISTORTING HISTORY, and degrading a great leader.
You are also distorting my words, becaue you KNOW you are wrong, if you know anything. I SAID she started the women's MOVEMENT, here in America, with Lucretia Mott, which SHE DID.

I never said she worked alone...it was a movement!

She did do a lot of writing and speaking alone, and was often later ostracized by the thenm grown more mainstream movement......but it was a MOVEMENT.


DON'T DISTORT HISTORY.


The Grimke' sisters and many others who were an important part did NOT ORANGANIZE THE SENECA FALLS CONFERENCE,

OR WRITE THE DECLARATION OF SENTIMENTS, as Elizaabeth did, which is considered THE FIRST OFFICIAL, MOST HISTORIALLY IMPORTANT DECLARATION OF WOMEN'S RIGHTS BY THE WOMEN'S MOVEMENT, to this day.
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:47 PM
Response to Reply #386
387. No, I'm quoting what you said to someone else
that she worked alone. She did not. I have not said anything else (beyond the fact that she was not the first either). It is you who are degrading her memory by insisting she would support a race-baiter & fear-mongerer like Hillary Clinton simply because she's a woman.

dg
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:54 PM
Response to Reply #387
391. I WROTE that she "almost single handedly" started the movement, which SHE DID by writing
the Declaration of Sentiments and orgnanizing the conference with Mott. She led the conference, delivered the speech of the purpose of the conference and signing of the Sentiments, 1st Women's Bill of Rights.

GIVE HER DUE CREDIT.
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:49 PM
Response to Reply #385
389. I DEMAND you explain yourself. WHO do you claim started that movement, if not STANTON & Mott?
And I don't mean the other eight or so women in Seneca Falls who HELPED them organize the conference, or attended it with their activist neighbors and Quakers of the area.
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skater314159 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 01:10 PM
Response to Reply #389
408. You "DEMAND"? More emotional blackmail.
What will you do if Wolverine doesn't comply with your demand?

Review the behaviours of emotional blackmailers I posted here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5028936&mesg_id=5030058

Do you recognise that you are behaving in a manner consistent with those traits I listed?

You REALLY need some help - talk to a therapist or person in the caring professions - and they can help you form new behaviours and thought patterns so you can be a happier person from the inside out.
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:17 PM
Response to Reply #342
373. It was the first real wide movement of women, along with the Pankhursts in England.
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:19 PM
Response to Reply #373
374. The mostly sole efforts of brilliant writers like Mary Wollstonecraft weren't the start of the
movement, though inspiring to it.
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skater314159 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:31 AM
Response to Reply #319
352. You are the ignorant one here.
I suggest you look up "social justice" and "social activism"... which included the abolition movement - maybe you can look that word up on the internets.

You can think what you want, but I KNOW she would be embarassed to have someone like you claiming to be her spokesperson. She was against abuse - which would include your emotional abuse of others in this thread and on this forum.

Stop co-opting great leaders in History and warping their life's work to suit your twisted and delusional ends.
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 04:17 AM
Response to Reply #271
320. You contribute NOTHING to this board, just harass and disrupt. I won't reply again.
Why don't you take your skateboard and go home.
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skater314159 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:33 AM
Response to Reply #320
353. I disrupt?!?!?!?!
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

You are too worried about what people say and think about you to ignore me...

I've got your number.
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theredpen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:36 AM
Response to Reply #320
356. I'm so glad someone posted that "Emotional blackmailer" profile
* They will constantly threaten to end the relationship if you don't do what they want.

* They will tell you (or imply it indirectly) that they will neglect you or them, hurt you or themselves, or become depressed if you don't do what they want.

* They will "play the victim" so that they can attack you.

Nice snark about the "skateboard." Classy.
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:30 PM
Response to Reply #356
381. It is against DU rules for you to keep doing this.
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theredpen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:57 PM
Response to Reply #381
395. That's for the moderators to decide
Use your alert button. I expect you to:

* They will threaten to "make things difficult for you" if you don't do what they want. This may be followed up with escalating threats if you continue to not comply with their demands.

* They will use money or power as a weapon for them to get their own way.

I think that your postings are manipulative and you appeal to the "DU Rules" to shut me down.
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 01:04 PM
Response to Reply #395
404. It is aganist the rules to call people crazy or accuse them of being mentally ill, besides being LOW
and insensitive to people who truly suffer with mental illness.
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skater314159 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 01:16 PM
Response to Reply #404
411. A note on setting and enforcing boundaries...
Edited on Wed Mar-12-08 01:18 PM by skater314159
And I am making judgements based upon my education and experience related to the pattern of behaviours you are showing on this message board.

You don't like that I pointed out your tactics and behaviours are indicative of emotional blackmail and passive-agressive behavioural patterns... so why don't you stop behaving in that manner?

Telling individuals that there are boundaries and that their behaviour is not acceptable is not "low", it is called setting and enforcing boundaries. I am sorry others have not done this for you in the past, as your current behaviour suffers because of it... but every day is a new start if you would let it be.

Again, I recommend you get help from someone in your community so that you don't continue to treat people here at DU so insensitively and abusively.
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theredpen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 03:01 PM
Response to Reply #404
414. I never said you were mentally ill. I said that you used emotionally-based manipulation
Like now, where you're throwing up this "mental illness" straw man in an thinly-veiled attempt to shame me into no longer calling you on your undesirable behavior.

If my posts are against the rules, the moderators will cheerfully delete them, as I've noticed they've deleted several of yours.
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:31 PM
Response to Reply #356
382. Not to mention a colossal waste of everyone's time.
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skater314159 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 01:01 PM
Response to Reply #382
401. Everyone? nt
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:34 PM
Response to Reply #356
384. My mom is an LMFT. You mock people with truly suffer w mental illnesses with your posts.
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theredpen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:54 PM
Response to Reply #384
392. I'm mocking your manipulative posts -- are you claiming that you are mentally ill?
Edited on Wed Mar-12-08 12:58 PM by theredpen
In any case, emotional blackmailing is a character flaw, not a mental illness.
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skater314159 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 01:04 PM
Response to Reply #384
405. As I stated upthread, if she is, GET A REFERRAL from her.
You need help with your emotional issues.

Using people on DU to vent your abusiveness, fear, guilt, manipulation, and passive-agressive behaviour is not acceptable.

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skater314159 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:27 AM
Response to Reply #15
270. AGAIN with the invalidation and dismissal?!?! nt
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:48 PM
Response to Original message
13. "We're vibrant, important, and we are dominating politics. Also, we're invisible and ignored."
It's not often you can play the victim card, the mandated-solidarity card, and the bandwagon-inevitability card in one hand.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:50 PM
Response to Reply #13
19. Heh... yes... it's not very well thought out, is it.
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:00 PM
Response to Reply #13
40. We are not the bandwagon. We are the majority who have voted, will vote for Hillary.
Ignoring us will get you exactly nowehere

and you refuse to think about it or admit it.

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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:00 PM
Response to Reply #40
43. Majority? In case you didn't notice, she's losing.
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clevbot Donating Member (357 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:19 PM
Response to Reply #43
72. Don't expect
Hillary supporters to notice much, including the fact that she is LOSING
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 02:01 PM
Original message
No we haven't noticed that at all
especially since its not true.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:12 PM
Response to Original message
213. Man, are you Clinton supporters just bad at math? Or reading comprehension?
She's down. Badly.

She won't win.

I'll be here to remind you of that when she finally gives up.

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skater314159 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:44 AM
Response to Original message
277. Denial. nt
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casus belli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:50 PM
Response to Reply #40
195. Well, let me refute that statement by ignoring you right here and now.
I've seen enough chip-on-your-shoulder posts from you to get a clear idea that we might never see eye-to-eye on anything - so I'll do us a both a favor and put you on ignore.

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Carolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 06:42 AM
Response to Reply #40
330. and obviously voting for Shrillary is
Edited on Wed Mar-12-08 06:46 AM by Carolina
getting you nowhere, too!
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:20 PM
Response to Reply #13
74. Yes, all those women presidents and that majority of women in Congress
really prove us wrong, don't they?

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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:52 PM
Response to Reply #13
116. Correction: we have been invisible and ignored for too damn long and

now we're kicking ass and taking names. We're going to dominate politics.

We haven't in the past but this year, YES WE WILL!
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skater314159 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:45 AM
Response to Reply #116
278. Victim becoming victimizer and perpetuating cycle of violence. n/t
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Carolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 06:44 AM
Response to Reply #116
331. Hillary kicking ass?
I guess you're right because she's hellbent on dividing the Democratic Party
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 02:06 PM
Response to Reply #13
130. Thats the Royal Flush
as in: "don't forget to flush, Team Empress Hilary"
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:11 PM
Response to Reply #13
212. LOL! That was pretty awesome, OB. Nailed it.
NT!

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skater314159 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:39 AM
Response to Reply #13
276. She won ESPN2's poker tournament.
Edited on Wed Mar-12-08 12:39 AM by skater314159
I think she won the No-Limits-Texas-Whine-'Em Competetion by having a flush:

the victim card
the mandated-solidarity card
the bandwagon card
the appeal to authority card
the bad husband card

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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 01:15 PM
Response to Reply #276
410. She won the No-Limits-Texas-Whine-'Em Competition
Skater, that's funny. You nailed it! :yourock: :rofl:

Lula, can you be for real? It makes no sense to support a candidate for President or any other office based on her or his gender. Isn't that what a really liberated progressive person want to be beyond? A woman can be the better candidate or the worse one.

For women to buy into voting as a block wouldn't be to have true power. True power is to be oneself, vote one's conscience.
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:50 PM
Response to Original message
20. Thats funny.
Those 113 women who've been sexually harassed seem to be pretty damn invisible to Hillary.
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:51 PM
Response to Original message
23. Is Hillary the best representative for women are her voters comfortable with her methods?
Edited on Tue Mar-11-08 12:55 PM by cooolandrew
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 02:22 PM
Response to Reply #23
140. I am not comfortable with the Obamacamp's race baiting tactics
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skater314159 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:47 AM
Response to Reply #140
279. Blame the victim. nt
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:52 PM
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24. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:01 PM
Response to Reply #24
48. Woman Hatred like yours is what will bring this party down, if it's allowed to continue
no matter what happens in this election
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:02 PM
Original message
"I vote on issues other than gender" is not woman-hatred. Rather, it's a lack of misandry.
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knixphan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:28 PM
Response to Original message
85. ding ding! Correct answer.
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:02 PM
Response to Reply #48
51. What the person said was true. It is pathetic voting for a candidate based on their race or gender.
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 09:58 PM
Response to Reply #51
174. Calling women "vaginas" is sexist and the problem. Become part of the solutiohn, or wither away.
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skater314159 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:48 AM
Response to Reply #174
280. "agree with me, or die" nt
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Independent-Voter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:15 PM
Response to Reply #48
70. Please - there's no hatred there. Just pointing out the rediculous notion of voting primarily based
on Y chromosomes, or lack thereof.
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 09:56 PM
Response to Reply #70
172. It'hateful and to call women "vaginas".
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 04:20 AM
Response to Reply #70
321. Is that why it was removed? At least be honest enough to admit calling women 'vaginas' is offensive
sheesh
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 02:03 PM
Response to Reply #48
126. You are so right and the Obamanoids are running an anti-woman campaign

very deliberately.

I really think that if he's the nominee, Obama will throw this to McCain.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 02:47 PM
Response to Reply #126
144. so let's get this straight.... you think obama is running because he hates women, and will tank the
election purposefully? are you out of your mind? who's in a cult now?

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:21 PM
Response to Reply #144
222. Nobody has said that. He has however demonstrated male arrogance that doesn't go unnoticed.
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skater314159 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:49 AM
Response to Reply #222
281. read post #126. nt
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xmas74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 02:00 PM
Response to Reply #24
122. I'm for Hillary.
Edited on Tue Mar-11-08 02:02 PM by xmas74
I have a vagina-and it works!

Gee, that must mean that I'm allowing my vagina to vote for me. (Though it does accompany me to the voting booth, since it cannot be removed from my body first.)

So, if I have a vagina I must automatically vote for someone with a penis in order to not be considered sexist? Ok-I'll vote NADER in the GE.

Am I sexist now?
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judaspriestess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:09 AM
Response to Reply #122
258. .............
:thumbsup:
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xmas74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 10:03 AM
Response to Reply #258
345. Thank you!
I'm voting for Jay Nixon in August and in November as my new governor but, according to many on DU I'm sexist. And when Cleaver comes around asking for help in, I think, two more years (but don't quote me since he's not my rep) I plan on helping. No way do I want to see him out of office, even though he's the next district over. Of course here on DU that just can't be true since I'm both racist and sexist.

I support who will be the better choice not only for myself but for my child.
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skater314159 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:50 AM
Response to Reply #122
282. No, but you're not a Dem either if you vote Nader. nt
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xmas74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 10:00 AM
Response to Reply #282
343. sure I am
if I vote the rest of the ticket Dem.

I'm still campaigning for Jay Nixon and I'll still back all my local and state Dems.

Don't tell me what I am and what I'm not. I know what I am and I know that my local Dem party will not kick me out, considering I've held offices with them before and have been there for far too long and I volunteer for everything under the sun.

What is your plan this year? Are you volunteering to campaign for your state Dems? How about your locals? Do you know any of them? Do you even know their names? I know all of mine. I know who's in charge of my local party.

This has become all about one candidate. Yes, I donated some money to HRC but guess what? On that same day I also donated to Nixon, my parties' candidate for governor. I also am signed up to work for him whenever they need it. I also plan on donating what I can, both time and money, to all the other local and state Dems.

Have you done the same or are you too worried about looking good in front of all the cool kids?

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skater314159 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:19 AM
Response to Reply #343
346. Your response shows your insecurity and fear.
Edited on Wed Mar-12-08 11:20 AM by skater314159
Why do you think you have to prove something? Unless my statement really got your goat, which I think it did.

You sound like "I'm a real Dem! See!I'm above reproach! My voting for a third party candidate doesn't mean I'm anything but a Dem!" - or as Shakespeare put it, you doth protest too much.

And as I said before, guilt, shame, and manipulation don't work on me - but your appeals to authority and popularity show YOU are the one who is "concerned what people think".

Good luck with that.
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xmas74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:50 AM
Response to Reply #346
359. No.
My response shows that I worry about more than one election.

My response shows that I actually do more than argue with smart mouth punks on a message board.

And my final response will be that of thanking DU for an ignore feature so I will never have to speak to idiots who only worry about national elections ever again.
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skater314159 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:58 AM
Response to Reply #359
361. Right on target with my emotional blackmail traits:
You threatened me, you demeaned me, then you break the relationship when you can't control me using fear, guilt, and manipulation.

Wow.

You stayed right on target.
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theredpen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 03:16 PM
Response to Reply #359
416. So people who don't vote for Nader are idiots now?
This is really not the place to throw stones at people who support the Democratic party.

I suspect that the only reason you're voting for local Democratic candidates is that Ralph Nader isn't in those races.
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xmas74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:01 PM
Response to Reply #416
418. Excuse me?!
I vote for my local Dems because I am one and have always been one. I am a member of my local party. I attend my meetings and I know what is going on locally at all times. I support my candidates. I assist in rallies, I hand out fliers, etc.

So, you feel the need to question my loyality? Sounds like you have issues in general and cannot handle the fact that a silly little single mother in the Midwest can support someone outside of your vision.

So now I'm the stupid one? I'll be sure to pass that along to my "cohorts" at the next Dem meeting. Just so you know-quite a number are already questioning their involvement in the GE. Comments that we are receiving from the Obama camp may cement the deal.

That would really suck if ya'll lost your long time members, your base. Who the hell else will wake up every morning and man the offices in local counties-counties that are not "major cultural centers"? Believe me, it might just happen this year.

Explain to me this: why would an 82 year old man who has worked for the Dem party his entire voting life talk about voting against Obama in the GE? That might be because he had some of ya'lls supporters harass him, calling his house late at night, calling him a racist for not supporting your candidate of choice. And he wasn't the only one.

Lose your base and ya'll lose the election.
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theredpen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:22 AM
Response to Reply #343
347. Democrats don't vote for Nader
Edited on Wed Mar-12-08 11:23 AM by theredpen
You can protest all you want, but that's a fact.

This isn't "Nader's Ego Underground."

Democrats can support Hillary Clinton; there's nothing wrong in that. Supporting Nader is an abandonment of the party. It doesn't matter what else you do on the ballot.
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xmas74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #347
360. Do you support your local Dems?
Why haven't I heard all that much about state races, except that some Obama fans have made threats to run their candidates against long-standing Dems.

Anyone curious about the governor's seat in Missouri? Anyone? It'll be a nasty race, no matter what happens. And what happens there often determines what happens across the US.

Love the pile-up, btw. No one on here is allowed to express a different opinion.

(Oh, and I was informed that I wasn't a real Dem because I do support Clinton. I've also been informed by some posters on here that my assistance in the GE is "no longer needed so STFU." Why would I work for a party who obviously no longer needs me? Or maybe it's because I'm just a stupid little girl who needs to learn to keep her mouth shut that I'm no longer wanted or needed in the Dem party any more. At least my local and state Dems still want me, compared to nationwide.)
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theredpen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 03:09 PM
Response to Reply #360
415. Your local races will not affect national issues that all Dems care about
I support most of my local Democratic candidates with the exception of John Wiley Price who I believe to be corrupt and is certainly corrosive to the community. He wins anyway, but I won't vote for the guy.

A vote for Nader is a vote for McCain. It's a vote to get Roe vs. Wade overturned. It's a vote for keeping our troops in Iraq for another century. It's a vote for war with Iran. It's a vote for more loss of our human rights in the name of "fighting terrorism".

Frankly, if McCain is President, very few Democrats will give a rats ass who the governor of Missouri is.

It's a vote against the Democrats nationally.

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xmas74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:54 PM
Response to Reply #415
417. Some of the local races will set the tone of the Dem party.
Where else do the up and comers of the future come from? Do they appear out of thin air?

My senators, my reps-I can tell you where they began their careers.

As to MO's governor's race, you should give a rat's ass. If we get a conservative governor they will fight their asses off to make MO anti-choice, for starters. Right now MO is one of the worst states in the US when it comes to women's reproductive rights. The wrong governor or the wrong AG in this state will set a precedent-a nasty one. Don't think they won't take that fight all the way. And if the SC rules in favor of states' rights then women's reproductive rights for a vast majority of women across the US will be in jeopardy. This will be the way for others to argue that they have the right to end abortion, to end any kind of reproductive services. And don't think it won't happen in my state because they've been trying for a long time. My state is just one wrong turn away from losing all rights for women-and we won't get them back in a national campaign, no matter what ya'll think.

We don't necessarily have to have antichoice justices to lose rights; we just need pro-state to lose everything.


In this world I can vote as I please and I can consider myself a member of whatever party I please. I do more work for my local and state party than most citizens do. If I decide to vote against the national candidate there must be a damn good reason.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 02:00 PM
Response to Reply #24
123. Typically tacky comment by Obamanoid. nt
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 03:27 PM
Response to Reply #24
149. No worse than the "racial pride" rationale for voting for Barack
:shrug:
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 03:59 AM
Response to Reply #149
315. I don't know if I've ever heard anyone saying that
And certainly not several times a day on DU, like I hear the gender solidarity argument.
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olkaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:53 PM
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25. I must meet one of these "invisable women"
Every "visible" woman I know will not vote for Hillary. Some are really outspoken about it. One is a pretty radical feminist finishing grad school.

Mom, friends, wife, coworkers, etc.

And I'm in a blue state.

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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:54 PM
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26. I really want to throw up.
I worked in the Women`s Movement for years. What we DON`T need is a candidate who morphs into a chest thumper so she can be more like the boys in the run up to the Iraq War. We also don`t need women who tell everyone how tough ("on day one")they are, then whine they get asked all the first debate questions. What we actually need is a coalition of women AND men.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:59 PM
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38. Because you fear strong women
you're not justified in criticizing women who aren't afraid to lead and speak out. Its one thing for women political activists to work for the benefit of all women, including you. Its quite another to put up with attacks from the small minority who fear defying the authority of men and taking on leadership roles of their own.

Grow up, sister. I won't tell you how to run your life, don't tell us how to run ours.
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:02 PM
Response to Reply #38
52. She actually appears to be a strong woman herself, the poster you try to call out.
And no one is telling you how to run your life. Rather, they are trying to get a nominee for a political party and get that person elected.

It really isn't all about you. Really.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:24 PM
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79. Two different roles women are talking about here
Women who live their own lives w/o involvement in public life and women who take leadership roles, run for office or lead movements to advocate for change on behalf of issues important to women.

No one criticizes the women who prefer to stay on the sidelines and do as they're told. But those women are wrong to criticize other women who do take risks, speak out and become leaders in public life.

Got it?
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clevbot Donating Member (357 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:27 PM
Response to Reply #79
84. NO
But those women are wrong to criticize other women who do take risks, speak out and become leaders in public life.

So if Barack is elected, I can't criticize him... because I'm Black... and have not taken any risks... Same if Farakhan was president... I don't follow you...

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Medusa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:42 PM
Response to Reply #38
105. Strong women don't try to claim their husband's experience as their own
strong women also don't try and pad their own resume. Strong women don't cry one day, whine the next, get angry on the 3rd day and deny what they said on the 4th day. Strong woman? She's Sybill in a pantsuit.

P.S.--Don't dare call me sexist-I'm female.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 02:03 PM
Response to Reply #105
127. Your argument has no basis in fact
Women who support Hillary don't attack women who support Obama, so what's the difference here?

Why are some of the few women who support Obama so quick to attack Dem women who stand up for Hillary and are willing to work hard to have a woman president?
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intaglio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 05:00 PM
Response to Reply #127
159. You what????? women who support Hillary don't attack
women who support Obama?

Which universe have you been living in the past 3 months?
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:16 PM
Response to Reply #127
217. "Women who support Hillary don't attack women who support Obama"
Are you blind, or just lying?

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skater314159 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:55 AM
Response to Reply #38
283. Projecting.
You are the one who is afraid.

You are telling us that we must have Hillary, or that you and others in the Clinton campaign will "punish us" for not doing what you want. That is a threat and it is manipulation.

That is not true stregnth, it is insecurity manifesting through fear.
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knixphan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:29 PM
Response to Reply #26
87. ding ding! Also the correct answer!
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:14 PM
Response to Reply #26
216. Good point.
NT!

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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:57 PM
Response to Original message
32. Invisible women are coming out in the open
and they're darn tired of the sexist men in the Democratic Party.

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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:00 PM
Response to Reply #32
41. So 'sexist' is the new default, eh?
Sexist Democratic men. Sexist media. Sexist everything.

Go ahead and accuse everyone, including your political allies, of sexism. I'm sure that will rally people to your cause.

- as
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:38 PM
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98. Sexism has been around in the Dem party for ages
and Dem women have been tolerating it, trying to work around it with mixed success. Many Dem women have become disenchanted in recent years, resulting in a decline in turnout for Dem women voters.

Dem women have been pushed pretty far over the years and the sexist attitudes of Obama supporters and the news media towards Clinton is bothering many women voters. That is a fact.





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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:17 PM
Response to Reply #98
219. No, that's an opinion. You should learn basic definitions.
NT!

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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 04:00 AM
Response to Reply #219
316. It's not an opinion. As evidenced on this board.
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mrJJ Donating Member (657 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:22 AM
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348. Ms Ferraro wants more woman....like these
3 cents a stitch working in a sweatshop... I guess these woman were also LUCKY?

Geraldine Ferraro

A SOHO building partially owned by U.S. Senate candidate Geraldine Ferraro and managed by her husband, John Zaccaro, has housed 35 Chinese garment-manufacturing companies over the past few years--many of them nonunion and some apparently illegal.

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/9810,212225,143,1.html
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 03:28 PM
Response to Reply #41
150. my guess is that you would not know what sexism is even if it hit you in the face.
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skater314159 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 01:04 AM
Response to Reply #150
285. Ah, the irony!
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skater314159 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 01:02 AM
Response to Reply #41
284. Yep, sexist is the new "cool word".
Throw it around... use it in every sentence!

All your friends will know you're hip and cool 'cause you can win every argument now!

(I am enjoying these threads for their surreal and absurdist nature)


TIME FOR MORE ART!

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greguganus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:00 PM
Original message
Is that why Hillary stays married to one? n/t
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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:02 PM
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50. Oh, snap.
That's gonna leave a mark.

- as
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clevbot Donating Member (357 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:09 PM
Response to Reply #50
63. hillary is what a feminist looks like?
Edited on Tue Mar-11-08 01:41 PM by clevbot
hillary's just showing us how to stand up to a man that treats you like shit and cheats on you all the time. by doing nothing.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:39 PM
Response to Reply #63
101. Save it for Free Republic
That's where GOP talking points belong.
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skater314159 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 01:05 AM
Response to Reply #101
286. #63 Spot on, eh? nt
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judaspriestess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:14 AM
Response to Reply #63
260. well point out what Hillary is supposed to do?
You don't fucking know how Bill Clinton treats Hillary Clinton!! By doing nothing? tell us what you would do oh righteous one.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:39 PM
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100. What is that supposed to mean?
Your comment makes no sense.
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:00 PM
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176. You mean instead of taking on a Prince Charming like you? At least he IS charming.
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:57 PM
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34. Amen.




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BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:58 PM
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36. Why would the privileged white woman
invoke Ralph Ellison's "Invisible Man" and compare this to her plight? What a disgrace. She was never enslaved here in this country nor did she become strange fruit hanging from trees while her tormentors happily brought their children to picnic under the hanging tree, gleefully taking photographs of their atrocities.
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Diana Prince Donating Member (267 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:08 PM
Response to Reply #36
62. Right On!
She did not have to switch cars once over the mason dixon line, she did not have to stay at a different hotel from her colleagues because of the color of her skin.
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:13 PM
Response to Reply #62
68. People always do this when they conflate race and gender struggles
It's absurd, but they are so fanatically aggrieved they can't see what everyone else does.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:13 PM
Response to Reply #36
67. I was troubled by the Ellison parallel too
Edited on Tue Mar-11-08 01:14 PM by dmesg
Especially since this seems to be a "revolt" of the ultra-privileged. Oh well. As Chris Rock said, "White women burned their bras; black men were burned alive."
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BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:28 PM
Response to Reply #67
86. Last winter, my 77 year old mother had taped the HBO movie
"Iron Jawed Angels".

http://www.hbo.com/films/ironjawedangels/

I got to watch it with her when visiting during Christmas and thought it was an excellent, artfully filmed, and often raw story about the women's suffrage movement during and post-WWI. It also delved into the clashes between the generations of women involved in the movement and their arguments about tactics, etc., which I thought was quite unique to show. This sort of clash continues today with this current election.

There is an obvious historical record of the mistreatment of women here in the U.S. But IMHO, the movement has its OWN identity and has naturally, on occassion, overlapped with the racial equality movement over the past century.

However the reality is that in this country, race has sadly trumped sex, and the one who loses is not the white female but the black female, who faces the double hit and little sympathy.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:35 PM
Response to Reply #86
96. "Ain't I a woman?"
Sojourner Truth had it right...
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BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 06:30 PM
Response to Reply #96
166. She sure did...
And fortunately, that HBO movie also showed a bit of the saga of Ida B. Wells who was told that because she was colored, she had to go to the BACK of the women's suffrage parades with the other colored delegates. Ain't that a bitch, eh? :eyes: She paid them no mind.
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skater314159 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 01:06 AM
Response to Reply #36
287. Amen! nt
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:59 PM
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37. Sexism. It's OK if we do it!
rah rah rah
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:00 PM
Response to Reply #37
42. Funniest post all day
:rofl: Yes, men are so repressed...:rofl:
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:27 PM
Response to Reply #42
83. And so oppressed! Men have never been discriminated against

the way women have so they don't get it, or they pretend not to in order to trash HRC.
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Emillereid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:00 PM
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39. I am one of that demographic and I would love to see a woman president in
my lifetime - just not Hillary. She represents everything that is corrupt about the insider Washington establishment.
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:01 PM
Response to Reply #39
47. How sexist! If you are a woman you MUST vote for Hillary!
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clevbot Donating Member (357 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:06 PM
Response to Reply #47
58. easily said and done
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:02 PM
Response to Reply #47
177. Can you be honest? The issue is that women are angry about sexism in the media and within the party
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lmbradford Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:46 PM
Response to Reply #39
191. You and I are cohorts....
I feel just like you do. I am definately a feminist but I will not vote for HRC under any circumstances. Just can't.......
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:00 PM
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44. Please, save us from the baby-boomer female Hillary voters.
I really don't think they're helping the women's movement. Any criticism of Hillary is seen as some sort of sexist comment. Any man who supports Obama over Hillary is accused of misogyny.

They are truly pathetic.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:59 PM
Response to Reply #44
121. In the movie, Connie Corleone got smacked around by

her husband. Why would you choose the name of a victim of spouse abuse as a user name?

Men who support Obama are only accused of misogyny when they make openly misogynistic statements, such as "Vaginas for Hillary," which is posted in this thread. Very low-class remark and quite typical of Obama supporters.
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 03:01 PM
Response to Reply #121
146. And her husband was killed. What's your fucking point?
Since you're so fucking nosy about my username, I chose Connie Corleone because of Godfather part III. She was different by then, tougher. I also happen to like the movies.

If you have a problem with me using the name of someone who was a survivor and persevered, tough shit.

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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:03 PM
Response to Reply #44
178. We ARE the women's movement, and you don't appreciate what women have done for you.
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:05 PM
Response to Reply #44
179. Your hateful attitude towards 'older' women is very unbecoming. Why should we count, right?
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:04 PM
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54. UPDATE: I have a Busy Day. I encourage everyone to face this truth if you truly want change.
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greguganus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:05 PM
Response to Reply #54
55. Has Bill changed? n/t
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:05 PM
Response to Reply #54
56. Especially the Actually Small Group who lives here to refuse to do so, at the parties expense.
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greguganus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:06 PM
Response to Reply #56
57. Shouldn't Hillary clean her own house before someone else's? n/t
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:06 PM
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59. party's
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:22 PM
Response to Reply #59
223. I guess it IS true that the less educated support Clinton.
Once is a typo, twice is a lack of education.

We should better fund education (and not just for Clinton supporters)!

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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:19 PM
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71. I'm not invisible.
I wasn't invisible when I was in military intelligence. I wasn't invisible when I was with ATF. It was hard working in a man's world, no doubt about it. But I made myself visible. I made myself shine. My scars don't bother me. I'm proud of them. I'm also proud of my wrinkles. I'm proud that I was raised as a right wing conservative and became a liberal through education and life experience. I'm proud that I have raised 2 fine sons, both liberal democrats.
I'm not stuck in second. I'm proud that in this day and age, I can vote for a presidential candidate on issues, not on race or gender. That's why I support Obama. On the issues, not because it's anybody's turn. There's way too much going on in this world, not least of which 2 wars, for anyone to vote on the basis of gender politics. Had Hillary used her very strong voice to speak against the war, I would have been in her corner in a second. She didn't. So this is one very visible woman voting for a man who knew better, who spoke out when it was unpopular to do so, and who dares to run for president against a very strong political machine, against all the odds.

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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:22 PM
Response to Reply #71
76. Welcome to DU, JenniferZ!
:toast:
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:30 PM
Response to Reply #76
88. Why thank you!
I've been a lurker, I must confess. You have to be pretty quick on this board to say something that someone else hasn't already said, so I never bothered signing back up again after a fried hard drive incident.
Now I'm addicted and might need a twelve step program pretty soon. :)
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clevbot Donating Member (357 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:22 PM
Response to Reply #71
77. OMG if you don't vote for Barack, you're Racist.
that because Hillary is losing, it must be something to do with sexism. Is racism helping Barack? It will be a day, much different than today, where a black man gains something, or is privilege by his race.
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:35 PM
Response to Reply #77
95. Amen to that!
It's so absurd it makes your head spin.
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:33 PM
Response to Reply #71
93. Just when I think the discussion level here has become hopeless
Along comes a thoughtful, intelligent post like this to make me optimistic again.

Welcome to DU!

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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:40 PM
Response to Reply #93
103. Oh my...
What a perfect reply for me to leave the board on for a few hours! You just made my day and increased my own optimism ten fold. Thank you for the welcome.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:45 PM
Response to Reply #71
107. Rock on, and welcome to DU.
:hi:

Outstanding post. :patriot:

Please disregard the inmates as they've overrun the asylum.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:53 PM
Response to Reply #71
117. Could not have said it better myself. Thanks and Welcome to DU!
:hi:
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NanBo Donating Member (316 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 02:07 PM
Response to Reply #71
131. Wonderfully said
and welcome to DU, Jennifer!

OP: nonsense as usual.
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TexasLady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 04:12 PM
Response to Reply #71
158. Big Howdy from Texas, JenniferZ
welcome to our addiction
:hi:
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 05:40 PM
Response to Reply #158
161. And a big howdy to you, too!
I lived in Texas when I was a kid after my family moved there from Mississippi. Harlingen, down around Brownsville. Haven't been back to the Valley since I was 10 but I sure would like to see it again.
And about that addiction, I may have to ban myself from the board pretty soon so I can get some work done. Nah, what am I thinking??? Finally found some nice progressives to talk to, can't stop now.
Jen
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 06:06 PM
Response to Reply #71
164. Welcome to DU, JenniferZ.
Thank you for your service to our country and thank you for your wonderful thoughts. :hi:
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 06:12 PM
Response to Reply #164
165. Thanks Myrna Minx
It was my pleasure, both for the service and the thoughts. I'm truly surprised by the responses. Been smiling all afternoon. It's such a pleasure to find so many wonderful folks here.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:26 PM
Response to Reply #71
227. YOU should run for office. I can feel the integrity from here!
A very proud welcome to DU!

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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:21 PM
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75. Good article which I believe shows a reality: that women's support for

Hillary Clinton is growing because women have had it with the way she's been treated by the media, in debates as well as in their horrible talking heads shows.

A few months ago, I said I'd never vote for her but seeing the media make a smooth talkinf freshman senator who plays fast and loose with the truth into a Christ figure has been disgusting, especially after two or three years of regular talk about Hillary's negatives. It's so obvious that the GOP wants to run against BO because they can beat him.

Now, instead of just saying I'll vote for her, I'm pulling for HRC to win. It's about damned time we had a woman president and she's qualified. BO is not qualified to be president now, ought to be HRC's VP, gain eight years of experience, and run in 2016, when he'll only be 54. We can't have a woman president and a black president at the same time but we can have a Unity Dream Ticket that will elect a woman president and set the black candidate up to win in 8 years. Dems are stupid if they throw this chance for 16 years of Democrats in the White House away.


Something my daughter mentioned the other day: in the media, HRC is almost always "Hillary" while BHO is almost always "Obama" or "Barack Obama" or "Senator Obama," not "Barack."

That's something every woman has experienced: being first-named as a way of denying us our dignity as adults.

And of course her clothes are criticized, too, and always have been, as was her hair when she was First Lady. Men's clothes and hair are very rarely remarked on, unless they have hair like Trump or Trafficante.

And we all know she's "old." :puke:

Sixty is not old, kiddies, not today. I know plenty of energetic women in their eighties, a couple in their nineties. It's ridiculous that older women are viewed as invisible and asexual in this country. It's not like that in Europe, a more civilized and sophisticated place.
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:26 PM
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82. Regarding a couple of your points:
The "job-training VP position" for Obama is a logical fallacy -- VPs are suposed to be ready to assume the presidency at a moment's notice. You can't "train" a VP like that -- either the VP is ready at all times, or he/she is not.

And the "Hillary" reference, as opposed to "Clinton" -- this is done for a few reasons. One is to distinguish her from her husband. Secondly, if referring to her by her first name is such a problem, then why do all of her campaign signs say "Hillary" on them instead of "Clinton"?
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:31 PM
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89. Isn't it obvious?
Senator Clinton has obviously been denied her dignity as an adult!

:cry:

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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:48 PM
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110. In actuality, a VP is unlikely to have to take over,

unless there's another Dallas being planned, so most VPs do get on-the-job training which makes them better-qualified than three years in the Senate, two of which BO's spent running for the presidency. So it's not a logical fallacy at all.

I'm sure her campaign signs say "Hillary" rather than "Clinton" to distinguish her from Bill, or George Clinton, for that matter, and because "Hillary Clinton" takes up a lot of space on a sign.

She would probably still call herself Hillary Rodham had not political pressure in Arkansas made her realize she had to go along with the crowd and use her husband's surname. She's faced sexism all her life, believe me.


My point, which you either missed or ignored, is that the media have a bad habit of calling her "Hillary" while calling him anything but "Barack." It's treating her like a little girl to first-name her all the time.

I'm guessing you have a Y chromosome or you'd already know this. :D
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:53 PM
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118. They call her that because she refers to herself that way.
And "Hillary Clinton" takes up too much space on a sign? :rofl:



Any more pretzels you want to eat?
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 02:07 PM
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132. If you're a Kucinich supporter,

maybe I won't vote for him again. I'd better look into him a little more, I guess, if he attracts sexists.

Nah, I think it's YOU, not him.

One more time: the media should refer to them as Senator Clinton and Senator Obama, or as Hillary and Barack, but NOT as Hillary and Senator Obama.

EQUALITY IS WHAT I"M TALKING ABOUT.
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 02:14 PM
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136. LMAO, so now I'm a sexist?
Edited on Tue Mar-11-08 02:14 PM by Starbucks Anarchist
I only posted the Kucinich sign to prove there is more than enough space for all that text, yet you say "Hillary Clinton" can't fit on a sign.

:rofl:

Ideally, both Obama and Clinton should be referred to by their last names, but Hillary doesn't make it any easier when *she herself* puts her first name on all of her signs.
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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 02:04 PM
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128. Umm....
Something my daughter mentioned the other day: in the media, HRC is almost always "Hillary" while BHO is almost always "Obama" or "Barack Obama" or "Senator Obama," not "Barack."

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/splash/

My God! Hillary's own web site is sexist!

- as
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Independent-Voter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:23 PM
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78. This reminds me of that bullshit "Moral Majority" crap in the 80's
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Ian_rd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:25 PM
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81. Too bad for Hillary that so many of these "we" women consider things other than gender in a candidat
nt.
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:22 PM
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224. We consider Hillary the best candidate, for a multitude of reasons.
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:32 PM
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92. No one can make you feel inferior without your permission
Eleanor Roosevelt

dg--granddaughter of a suffragette & supporter of Obama
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:24 PM
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225. We don't feel inferior, and are showing it AS WE VOTE.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:33 PM
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234. ...and as Clinton LOSES ground every day.
What's your point again? That Clinton fetishists aren't enough to swing the vote? We already know that.

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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 10:03 AM
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344. Then why all the whining about being "invisible?" nt
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knixphan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:34 PM
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94. I think the 'real divide' is invisible.

How many die-hard Hill supporters here are under 40?

Just curious.

I think it's a generation thing, not gender.

Most female Obama supporters I know are under -40, and most die-hard Hillsters are 40+.

I'm sure there are some national polls to confirm or deny this...
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clevbot Donating Member (357 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:38 PM
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99. I agree
with your generalizations. I am 22yo male. My GF is a dedicated Obama supporter and active feminist. I first noticed the divide at my caucus we're Hillary's female supporters where 50+ and Obama's female supporters were 35 and under... My gf explains it as a difference the phases of feminism...
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Independent-Voter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 02:01 PM
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124. I completely buy that. I don't know of any HRC supporters under 50
My mom (age 72) merely dislikes her, but my wife (31) absolutely can't stand her at all. Both are independent women who take no shit from anyone, own their own businesses, etc.
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:25 PM
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226. Your dividing young and older women won't hold. I know many in their 20's who get it, vote Hillary.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:39 PM
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102. YOU'VE BEEN REPORTED
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 09:55 PM
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171. For what? Posting an article?
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progressive_realist Donating Member (669 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:41 PM
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104. There is a fundamental flaw in relying on women to boost Clinton
Women who vote based on identity politics are already Democrats, just as the African-Americans who vote based on identity politics are. Independent voters, a.k.a. swing voters, vote based on personal assessments of each candidate. Clinton has so far offered no appeal to these voters, so the many women in this category are not flocking to her now and wouldn't in the GE either. She would likely get some small amount of crossover votes from Republican women who secretly vote for her because she is a woman, but these would be concentrated in the red states the Clinton campaign has already declared to not matter.

Ironically, a female GOP candidate would be more likely to win the Presidency, because many Dem women would probably cross party lines to vote for her.
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:27 PM
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228. No flaw. She is bringing out the Dem vote in crazy numbers. She beats McCaim in polls. No problem
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:46 PM
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109. Gosh, I'm all of that as well as a woman who broke the gender barrier in
local law enforcement in the early 1980's and I'm for Barack. There's nothing about Hillary's gender that is making her "stuck in second." If Obama hadn't entered the race, she probably would be the easy nominee, but sometimes life doesn't work out the way you expect it to. IMHO, strong people persevere and eventually win. Weak people become bogged down in society's labels and allow themselves to become victims.
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Genevieve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:50 PM
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112. No, I am NOT Hillary
No way .. :puke:
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:51 PM
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114. I am not invisible.
I'm of the same generation as Hillary. I remember when the help wanted ads were divided between jobs suitable for men or women. I remember when a divorcee was considered to be the moral equivalent of a prostitute and it was considered to be a poor reflection on a man if his wife worked outside the home. I remember when girls were not allowed to wear "slacks," let alone jeans or a pantsuit. I remember when young women went to college to find a spouse and not to get an education.

I am not Hillary and I am not a victim. I was a survivor for a time but I am a person fully realized and living in this century. I attended women's studies courses as a young woman and actively worked for equal rights. I grew up in a home with six brothers who all treated me with respect. I've survived one abusive marriage and am in a good one now. I worked my way through college and earned two degrees. I raised two well-educated and grounded children on my own. I have travelled in this nation and lived abroad for an extended period of time. I don't assume that all of my problems flow from the fact that I am a woman.

I have news for you. The world has changed You know why? BECAUSE we went out into the workforce. BECAUSE we did the things we advocated for. And we do have growing numbers of women being elected to political office. When it comes to political office though the standard that we sought for society should be applied--that the best person be elected and gender not be a test of ability. I don't get that Hillary is listening to any more than her internal ambition. If she were listening, she would demonstrate it in the way she campaigns and would not be conducting her campaign in a divisive manner.


As a woman in this day and age I don't feel the need to revolt. My goal is to see to it that the world works for both my granddaughters and grandsons on many levels. It hasn't been about just me for a long time.
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 05:46 PM
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162. Yay Skidmore!
We should start a club -- The Uninvisibles maybe. I'm sure you could come up with a better name.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 06:42 PM
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168. How about The Outstanding?
Edited on Tue Mar-11-08 06:42 PM by Skidmore
:)
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 02:02 PM
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125. Here Here!!!! LulaMay, You ROCK!!!
:yourock:
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:28 PM
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230. Thanks Dinger! Hope you rec'd. Thank you.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 02:04 PM
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129. So all the women who have voted for Obama are REALLY invisible
Edited on Tue Mar-11-08 02:06 PM by zulchzulu
I don't get this bullshit. It's the "I am Woman, Hear Me Roar" albeit seeming to somehow interject that ALL women are for Hillary Clinton.

Some women actually prefer women in politics that can stand on their OWN career and on their OWN accomplishments...all without playing the Gender Card. What a concept. I thought REAL feminism means making the "sex battle" equal and without favoritism.

A lot of women I know are DISGUSTED with Hillary Clinton and her negative mode of attack. I guess they need to get a sex change?

:sarcasm:

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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:30 PM
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231. Hardly, the media highlights them quite a bit, gives them musc positive coverage.
while they refuse to discuss sexism and the huger numbers of women voting for her.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 02:08 PM
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134. damn, enough being told cause i am woman i must hillary.... makes me come on thread and say ..NO
how hillary has handle herself does NOT make me proud as a woman or a dem. and it is not true for many women.

so woman.... when you suggest cause hillary is a woman she is for all women, it is truly offensive. but i gotta believe you know this
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:31 PM
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232. Then LISTEN...it is NOT about Hillary as it is about women being angry about how she's treated.
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DeadElephant_ORG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 02:11 PM
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135. wasn't the "Silent Majority" invented by NIXON ? The lie that justifies EVERYTHING.
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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 03:06 PM
Response to Reply #135
147. I thought the "silent majority" were the DEAD.
Because if you add up all the generations of dead people, they outnumber the living, and they are silent.


It's a creepy phrase.

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 02:19 PM
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137. Thanks for the well-written article.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 02:20 PM
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138. REC
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 02:21 PM
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139. Here is the low down from my view. I am not invisible.
I have enough self esteem to know that if I want anything I have to dream it up, plan it out, and go after it, either by myself or with a group of like minded people.

I am not in need of a savior for me personally but I am in need of someone who will try to correct the big problems we are facing like ending the war, economic stability, readjustment of Nafta, Health care and equal rights for ALL people.

I have had enough of trusting any politician who voted for WAR and I don't need Senator Clinton to help me personally, I need hopeful, positive change.

In this election I need a name I can trust.
Someone who can delver on what they promise.
Someone who treats all people fairly.
If a problem arises, I want to count on a candidate to reach a fair and satisfactory resolution.
I want/need to feel proud of my president.

I am not a victim, I am not invisible, I don't need a voice for myself because I am a woman, I need a voice who encompasses all people!
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 05:49 PM
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163. Now there are 3 of us...
The Uninvisible Club keeps growing and growing. Pretty soon it'll be a movement. Uh oh. They'll think we're a cult.
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lmbradford Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:52 PM
Response to Reply #163
198. Count me too....
I am Obama all the way. Feminists for Obama.......I'd join in a heartbeat.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:34 PM
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236. You are... UNVISIBLE!
NT!

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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 02:24 PM
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141. I'm an OPEN GOVERNMENT CITIZEN and I am INVISIBLE to Hillary - women are CITIZENS, too.
And we are screwed over by closed government as much as any other CITIZEN.

Fock this stupid men-women shit when FASCISM is seeking to END our citizenship.
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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 02:41 PM
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142. Answer me this, Lula May: why didn't those women support Ferraro in 1984?
Edited on Tue Mar-11-08 02:42 PM by NorthernSpy
Mondale/Ferraro got less than 45% of the white female vote -- probably not much more than 40%. The majority went for Ronald Reagan.


In contrast, Mondale/Ferraro got over 90% of the votes of both black men and black women.


Why did that happen, and why has it fallen so completely out of the Clintonite purported "invisible-woman" consciousness? And more to the point, why has Ferraro herself apparently forgotten who showed up on Election Day to help her make history -- and who turned their backs on her and cuddled up to "the gipper" instead?

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knixphan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 04:06 PM
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155. that's deep. didn't know that.
Ferarro is dead to me
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 03:57 AM
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314. Dem women DID support her, that is who we are mostly talking about. Dem vote overall was low.
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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:00 PM
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362. The fact is, you don't speak for too many women.
If you did, Mondale's calculation would have paid off, and Hillary would not have to be resorting to appeals to white resentment to damage Barack.

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elana i am Donating Member (626 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 02:44 PM
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143. could you at least pick a woman worthy of glomming on to...
Edited on Tue Mar-11-08 02:46 PM by elana i am
as a serrogate? speaking as a woman i think hillary is an embarassment.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 03:30 PM
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151. But silly that did happen. It is Hillary Clinton.
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Carolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 06:46 AM
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332. she's worse than an embarassment
and that's the problem. It's not her gender; it's HER
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noel711 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 03:55 PM
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153. Not me!
I am not Hillary....

I was not born into privilege...
Oh, yes, LIke Hillary, born in Chicago,
but on the working class south side.
Girls like HIllary never left the North Side.

Like HIllary, I went to college,
but not a private school; my parents couldn't afford
the tuition; I got a scholarship to a state college.

UNLIKE Hillary, I couldn't afford graduate school,
or law school. As soon as I got out of college,
I moved out of my parent's house, and got a job,
an apartment, and started real life.

Like Hillary, I married a man with a profession,
but I didn't skate on his coattails to get into
the arena. I worked myself, got myself into
grad school, paid for it myself.

I didn't expect any favors because of my husband's contacts,
but started, like any newbie, at the bottom.

NOr did I work with the rich and powerful, but with
inner city kids and with inner city people; I worked with
the rural poor,not driven in limos, but in my own gas saving corolla.
(Still own that little car!)

I never felt HIllary was like me; I never felt Hillary
was for me. HIllary was always visible; most of us,
we may be seen as 'invisible' because that's the way life
is. But that's okay...I'm not here to be a film star
or to be the queen. This life isn't about trying to be
"Number One," and get out of 'second."
I'm here in this life to help others.

Oh Hillary knows all the right people. She shakes all the right
hands, But she doesn't speak for me, or for many women
who work hard, who come home to their own lives, that they've
made for themselves. They respect her because of what she
represents, but they don't live like her, they haven't had
all the privileges she has had.

In many ways, Hillary seems to represent to many of us the
women bosses or teachers we had who lorded their accomplishments over us,
who told us: "I got mine,its up to you to get yours." Who brushed us aside
when someone more important came into the picture, yet who screamed: "Sexism!"
when someone questioned their judgement.

I am not Hillary. The working women are not
Hillary. If they want to support her, fine.
That's up to them. But please do not lump us all together
because we share our gender.

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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 04:10 PM
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156. "We are Hillary" -- how ... CULTLIKE!!!!
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Georgie_92 Donating Member (313 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 06:53 PM
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169. I am NOT Hillary, I have morals.
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lmbradford Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:54 PM
Response to Reply #169
200. ditto.....
My morals are bigger than my feminine parts...
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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:21 AM
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267. Brava!!
Exactly how I and my 10 other female friends feel! There are definitely a lot more honorable and ethical women in our lives to admire.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 06:55 PM
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170. Sounds like a rehash of Jerry Falwell's Silent Majority
and probably equally intolerant!
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 09:57 PM
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173. What baloney. As woman I can only say get real. Don't try to
play the gender card on me.
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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:09 PM
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181. Maybe it's not about you?
I just love women who never seem to identify with other women. What are they so afraid of? :sarcasm:
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 09:58 PM
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175. Bullshit. From a Boomer Woman Who Detests Hillary Clinton for the Monster she is.
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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:07 PM
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180. Monster?
Men who do much, much, MUCH worse than Hillary are never called "monsters"

Geez.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:43 PM
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190. Sen Cllinton is not a monster any more than George W. Bush. But she is a corporitist. She aligns
with the corporatist wing of the Democratic Party the DLC. Corporatism is killing this country. I guess maybe all corporatist are monsters. Maybe she is a monster after all.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:09 PM
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182. VOMIT. Not a good enough reason to elect Hillary president. n/t
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:53 PM
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199. It isn't the only reason. She is a great candidate, smart, in control, self deprecating, w PLANS!
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metalluk Donating Member (266 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:18 PM
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183. Feminist Pride
I'm glad that you are proud to be a woman and proud of what women have accomplished. It is something that I can understand and respect, even though I am a man.

I believe strongly that HRC is the best qualified of the three remaining major party candidates to be president. I believe that she could be a great president. I'd like to believe that your support for her is based as much on your also believing in her potential as opposed to the mere happenstance of both of you being female. It may be comforting to support a candidate because you share the commonality of gender or race or both, but, ultimately, the qualifications of the candidate are far more important, if you value the good of the country as much as your own personal satisfaction.

I'm happy for you if you are simply taking an extra degree of pride and satisfaction in the idea that the best qualified candidate shares with you the experience of being a woman in a world in which women have had to fight for all time for equality of rights and opportunity. I am disappointed if your support for HRC is based primarily on her gender.

Thanks for a lovely and poetically expressive post.
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lmbradford Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:38 PM
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184. Not this woman.....
btw, I'm white and not very young either.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:39 PM
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185. Obama is all of us. Unity over division.
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:50 PM
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194. That makes no sense. It doesn't answer the issues of the topic either.
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Medusa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:40 PM
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187. So Hillary wins and will wave a magic wand and make you visible?
Sorry but you have to make your own way in this world, not depend on anyone else to do it for you.
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:51 PM
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196. Men have controlled this world by mutual agreement and support, enough of it anyway.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:52 PM
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197. The sky will open...
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:55 PM
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201. That's a scary little soundbite that earns some of you the 'creepy' label.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:41 PM
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188. Hillary Clinton would make a strong executive. Her SCOTUS noms would
Edited on Tue Mar-11-08 10:56 PM by Old Crusoe
very likely be strong votes to preserve Roe v Wade.

There are many attributes to list.

However.

Her campaign has stunk the joint up something fierce.

The racial card has been played way too often and once is too many.

She's lost a titanic lead, her campaign strategists are at each other's throats, there was ZERO plan in place post-Feb. 5th.

She's been outflanked by a superior campaign on almost all counts, and History itself does not appear to be with her. She remains her husband's wife and not a woman who rose through the ranks on her own volition or individual accomplishments.

She's dull as a speaker.

She is not inspiring majorities in key Democratic constituencies, and especially among independents.

She could still win the nom.

But I doubt it.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:42 PM
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189. I'm a woman, and I don't support cluster bombs
Or the mass murder of civilians in Iraq.

And I don't think that any Democrat should say under any circumstances that a Republican is more suitable as a candidate for anything than any other Democrat.

When actual feminists were fighting for rape shield laws, Clinton was defending rapists using the standard good ol' boy blame the victim technique.
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:48 PM
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192. You are missing the point. Even if she's not your candidate, women are angry about how shes treated
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:55 PM
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202. Your form of sexism would support Eva Braun and Magda Goebbels
for their support of the Third Reich because they are women.

Listen, you are really doing yourself and women harm.
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 01:20 AM
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291. Your repugnant use of the memory of Holocaust victims for your small minded remark is stunning
Edited on Wed Mar-12-08 01:20 AM by LulaMay
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 01:25 AM
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292. Calling Hillary a Hitler is disgusting, calling her supporters Nazi's the same. Yours are the worst
type of name calling.

We support Hillary because we believe she is the best candidate, and she is a woman, not ONLY because she's a woman.

But, of course you know that, and are simply being egregiously, shamefully vile in anger.

Shame on you.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:07 PM
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208. I think erdani gets the point just fine and in fact better than the OP.
Cluster bombs are not a sexist issue.

Many anti-war women distrust Clinton on her pro-war votes.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:08 PM
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209. But her supporters have failed to address how her campaign treats
others.

This is a big, big place and a lot can happen both ways, all ways.

Hillary Clinton's campaign has dished out at LEAST as much negative energy as her opponents, and by my count loads more.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 01:10 AM
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288. Naw. Only a "few" women. The rest of us are mad as hell.
Iz yo corzet laced on too tight chile?

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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 01:37 AM
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293. I dislike how she's treated as well. You would not believe the really vile
--anti-Clinton emails I keep getting from my wingnut brother. I despise that kind of thing, but I still don't like hawkishness, imperialism and cluster bombs.
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 03:55 AM
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311. I would. I have seen some too. I don't believe she embodies those things....
imperialism and war mongering. She made some big mistakes, like many many Dems. They were outnumbered and believed what they were being told. She knew from Bill's terms that Iraq was a problem before, and I sincerely believe she and others thought it would force Iraq to let the inspections continue and put it to rest. I don't think they really believed Bush would invade before that.

I think she will be a great foreign relations leader.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 06:24 AM
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327. I don't believe that for a minute
The IWR vote was strictly political cowardice. Iraq and Iran are not threats to us in any real sense, unless you think (like both Clinton and Obama, unfortunately) that the US elite has the right to dominate the rest of the world, especially those parts of it with coveted resources, by military force. Saudi Arabia and Pakistan are threats, but our elite chooses not to do anything about it because they make a lot of money off them.

It was Bush who would not let the inspectors finish their work, and everybody knew goddam well that Bush would invade. What the cowards were afraid of was that the war might have turned out to be easy. The reaction of Iraqis was unpredictable--most hated Saddam, but very likely wouldn't appreciate being shocked and awed either. Which way would they turn? Hard to tell in advance. Most of the antiwar sentiment to this day is about how expensive and difficult subduing the place is--a very small moral minority insists that attacking people who are no threat to us has about as much to do with "freedom" as high school kids beating the shit out of 2nd graders and taking their lunch money. IOW, just plain morally and ethically vile.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:56 PM
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203. Her lead is invisible too - must be all those invisible votes.
:rofl:

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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:33 AM
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274. Hardly. Don't think for a moment that party leaders see the importance of what's happening.
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LadyVT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:14 PM
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214. Women's Studies is no longer offered at my "liberal" University...
things are reverting back, and younger women don't realize it. Yet.
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:32 AM
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272. It's BACKLASH, we know! Maybe this debacle is the moment of truth we've needed to keep moving ahead
I sincerely hope so. Because I know just what you mean. That was my least favorite part of the article, that the sliding and backlash has been bad, and what it's cost us in advancements already, and hoe younger women don't realize it, know, overall, are having the wool pulled over their eyes.

The men on TV, in the party who've reacted like this, are no surprise to me. I expected this to happen, in some way, at some time....but THIS, it's amazing to watch them, Matthews, et al... just LOSING it, barely able to contain their obvious anger and repugnance at the idea of her, a woman as president. They can barely sputter out their words. It's quite refreshingly revealing!!!!!
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:14 PM
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215. You don't speak for me...not in any way whatsoever
I am NOT Hillary Clinton and I would never wish to be war mongering, lying, POS like she is!
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:19 PM
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221. The article is about how women are angry at how she's been treated, they're tired of sexism. It's..
not really about Hillary herself. Her supporters believe she's the best candidate, but that's not the topic or issue.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:28 PM
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229. Again........
...speak for yourself. She has not been treated nearly as badly as she should have been given the FACT of all the dishonest, whining, nasty bullshit she has pulled. She is a war mongering, corporate loving DINO who is more Bush Lite than anything remotely resembling a progressive. I wish to hell she would have NEVER sought the nomination.

I am ANGRY at her for the total bullshit she has pulled and the shit she has flung. She has pretty much single-handedly fractured the Dem party and drastically reduced our chances of beating that POS McCain in the coming GE.

Yes, I am mad as hell...AT HER!!!! :grr:
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:18 PM
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220. Hillary Clinton is not invisible.
Her campaign is a mess.


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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:33 PM
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235. True. She is a rock and star of this Dem party. Women feel their voices aren't being heard/invisible
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:36 PM
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238. I wouldn't grant her either status. She's got the name recognition by
being her husband's wife.

That's it.

Barbara Boxer would have been my choice for a female prez nom.

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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:06 AM
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253. It is quite sexist to suggest that. She is a Senator because she is brilliant and a leader.
She has the respect of MANY.

Wake up, join the 21st century.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:33 AM
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273. She's a hard-bitten realist and lethally pragmatic, but definitely NOT
brilliant.

And she hasn't led much of anything compared with many other women.

If Hillary Clinton, Elizabeth Holzman and (the late) Bella Abzug were interviewing for the same job as a CEO, I'd hire EH and BA back for the second interview and send Hillary Clinton a thanks-but-no-thanks letter in the mail.
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Slagathor Donating Member (244 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:32 PM
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233. Women reporters should actually be banned from male locker rooms
that made no sense at all. What a pointless thing to campaign for.

PS gender is sooooooo over. Try to join the 21st century.
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:34 PM
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237. Expose your dinasour era sexism, by all means.
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Slagathor Donating Member (244 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:37 PM
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239. You're the dinosaur
we're over that shit. Get. With. The. Program.
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:03 AM
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250. Oh my gosh! I just noticed your name is SLAGATHOR! ILMAO....Thank you!
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Unsane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:51 PM
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242. The "silent majority" huh? I'll give you this, she is the Democrats' Nixon.
I'm not a crook...
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:02 AM
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248. She can well be the Dems nominee, so you should temper your remarks.
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 07:03 AM
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334. No. She. Can't.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:54 PM
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244. I finally understand. Hillary's support is INVISIBLE.
Only Flesh & Blood people are allowed to vote in my precinct.
No wonder she's losing if invisible supporters don't Show Up <grin> on Voting Day.

OTOH, you don't really need to rent a very large room for a Hillary rally of invisible supporters.

My younger brother had an invisible friend.
Do you suppose that was a Hillary supporter?
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:07 AM
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255. Are you a comedy writer? I didn't think so. Topic thoughts?
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 01:14 AM
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289. She's got the Giant Invisible Rabbit Vote Locked up!
Harvey 4 Clinton!
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skater314159 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 01:17 AM
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290. Don't co-opt Ellison. (warning, graphic)
Hillary Clinton has NEVER experienced and NEVER WILL experience what the Freedmen did in this country after the end of the Civil War and their supposed "liberation".

Hillary Clinton, and her majority of supporters who are white, middle-class and priviledged will never have to experience scenes like those at mfaa.org:



Nor have they EXPERIENCED the events of the following song:

Southern trees bear strange fruit,
Blood on the leaves and blood at the root,
Black bodies swinging in the southern breeze,
Strange fruit hanging from the poplar trees.

Pastoral scene of the gallant south,
The bulging eyes and the twisted mouth,
Scent of magnolias, sweet and fresh,
Then the sudden smell of burning flesh.

Here is fruit for the crows to pluck,
For the rain to gather, for the wind to suck,
For the sun to rot, for the trees to drop,
Here is a strange and bitter crop.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 01:38 AM
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294. White women are easy to get scare votes from.
Just look at Bush's numbers back in 2004.
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 02:11 AM
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295. We're not voting out of anything but belief in our candidate and want of equal representation
Your comment is a crude insult.

Nothing more.
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skater314159 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:27 AM
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351. Fear, guilt and manipulation are powerful propaganda for suburban white women. nt
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 02:47 AM
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307. That's really scary.
Hillary Clinton couldn't care less about women. That you mistake her for an advocate makes me question your sanity.
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 03:49 AM
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308. Is that why she was keynote speaker in Bejiing for the Worldwide Women's Conference?
And as a result, helped win rights for women in many countries, and press the US to sign to UN resolution against sex trafficking of women & girls & boys?

People who make flippant, baseless statements like yours, and then add insults to boot, are a waste of space on this board.

Why not say something thoughtful and intelligent?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 03:53 AM
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310. Hillary Clinton has never helped win women's rights any where.
I've been a keynote speaker and I don't claim to be anything more than a part of the event where I was booked.

How long are you people going to keep up these ridiculous claims? It just makes you look silly.

How's that? And, before you bother to insult me again, I have to tell you, it doesn't bother me in the least.

lol
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 04:33 AM
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322. New winner...This qualifies as the most thoughtless, idiotic post today.
I could make a detailed list of links.....but not for you because you clearly don't care.

Maybe for another post.

She's helped women in Macedonia, Sudan, Bosnia, Afghanistan, China, and HERE, not the least of which has been by fighting for health care, and getting children's health care. Any mother will tell you that's helping them. She has spoken out as a Senator AND First Lady. She was an inspiration as a First Lady who took an active role in government, instead of promoting the bigoted view of one who should sit and do nothing other than be her husbands silent doll whose only concern should be redecorating the White House and putting up the Xmas tree.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 03:52 AM
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309. Kick so the pus can dry out in open air n/t
Edited on Wed Mar-12-08 03:56 AM by Catherina
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 04:35 AM
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323. Again, you are crass and make no sense. A few people just take up space here, and you are one.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 04:38 AM
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324. Hillary, darling.. can we talk?
Edited on Wed Mar-12-08 04:39 AM by SoCalDem
You really need to get some sleep.. Your campaign needs a lot work.. you cannot spend all night , every night...arguing your point on the internet(s) :)

a well rested candidate is a happy candidate..

:loveya:

disclaimer: If you are NOT really Hillary, she needs to put you on her payroll :)

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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 04:42 AM
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325. You're Up.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 04:50 AM
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326. I'm always up.. insomnia here
:hi:
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 06:56 AM
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333. Lula, I'm a 50+ year old woman. I want a woman president but not this woman.
I'm at the younger end of the "Invisible Woman" demographic so maybe that makes a difference. I grew up during the hotbed of feminism. I appreciate the efforts that helped me succeed in the working world.

I want to vote for a woman president BUT I want to vote for a woman who got there on her own, not riding the coattails of a popular (if unfaithful) husband. Hillary's sort of like the woman who gets appointed CEO because her dad founded the company. She may be perfectly qualified, she may do a great job but she did not get there because of her qualifications and everyone knows it.

I looked at Clinton through what she's done as a Senator. While she has a decent record on domestic issues, I am one of those people who believe that the Iraq war will become the greatest disaster in this country's history. I believe it will become what the Afgan war was to the Soviet Union. I do not want to vote for anyone who enabled this blunder. Moreover, I believe that a Clinton administration would be more of the same regarding the way things are done in Washington, she after all is a master of the system. Obama would be elected on the promise of change and would have to live up to that promise if he wants a second term. He may succeed or he may fail--at least he'll try.

If that makes me a sexist, Lula, then I guess I'm a sexist--a self-hating sexist at that since apparently I'm not allowed to have any other option.

Thank for clarifying things.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:36 AM
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340. I'm a 49 yo woman who agrees with you. I have taken the time and effort to research
Hillary Clinton's background while at the Rose Law Firm where she fought for the powerful over the people. Research EAST LIVERPOOL TOXIC WASTE INCINERATOR if you are interested in learning just who she fought for.

She has greatly exaggerated her "experience" while attempting to make it a central issue in the campaign. This is disingenous and dishonest. She is so wrapped up in winning at any cost (and with the help of Rush Limbaugh on the right who wish to run against her) she has divided the party in a way only topped by *'s dividing the nation.

I would gladly support a woman president but ONLY if that individual was the best for the job.
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:10 PM
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371. That to me is true equality. nt
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:56 PM
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393. Could you all address the TOPIC that women are angry about the sexism?
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panhead1961 Donating Member (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:18 AM
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335. You were the women standing by your man screwing everything witha stink all for your own agenda?
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 01:03 PM
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403. Your crass language belies your hatefulness.
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elixir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:30 AM
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339. K&R
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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:34 AM
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355. true
nt
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Ordr Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:41 AM
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357. Shrug. Soon Hillary will be invisible.
Let her sulk in the corner for a little while until she realizes that money and scare-tactics don't always win elections.
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:58 PM
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396. Shrug: IE: I HAVE NO POINT or thoughts on the TOPIC of women being fed up with sexism.
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NDambi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:20 PM
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375. Rest assured LaLa LulaMay..you are not invisible...believe me
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:48 PM
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388. Why does this sound suspiciously like "We are Borg"?
Hillary supporters need to stop operating under the assumption that women are some sort of monolithic group that is going to vote entirely together as a block. This simply hasn't been the case in the past, and it isn't the case now. Trying to treat women as such only demeans each and every single woman and their own individuality.
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:59 PM
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399. Because you watch way, way too many Star Trek re-runs? Do you go to conventions too?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:57 PM
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394. Hey look, another visible woman
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:58 PM
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397. I am not part of this "We" that is Clinton
That whole concept is more than a little creepy. I'm part of the group that should be Clinton's core demographic: white, middle-aged, middle-class women. And I'm supporting Barack Obama for president.
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 01:01 PM
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402. Then you are not with the majority of women written about in the article, nor addressing the topic.
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 01:09 PM
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407. What is this concept that all women are one with Clinton?
That a huge load of BS. I can't stand her. I think she's a back-stabbing, triangulating, McCain-boosting corporate hack. And if she should, by some miracle, manage to win the Dem nomination, I will grit my teeth and vote for her. But I won't enjoy it.
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 01:14 PM
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409. That is not what the article says! It is about HOW MANY women have voted for her & identify
with how she has been discounted and mistreated with sexism.

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