What I heard on Randi Rhodes today re Obama supporters trying to pressure Superdelegates

[Jillian]

She was telling her listeners to call their elected officials and tell them, as a superdel. to vote for Obama.

Wtf?

Yesterday I heard her making a case for why Florida should not revote.

Is Randi really trying to *control* democracy?

Chances are that Obama and Hillary will be on a joint ticket in the GE because that is the only
way out of this mess.

Are Randi, Stephanie Miller and Olbermann really trying to fuck up our chances in November?

[LisaM]

1. Oh, you can still listen?

I can't listen to Randi or Stephanie Miller anymore.

[Jillian]

Only when I am in my car.

Believe me, I don't go out of my way to listen.

[ronnykmarshall]

12. I'm really enjoying my CD collection again!

[enid602]

48. radio

It's like the 'Invasion of the Body Snatchers.'

[leftofcool]

2. Pressue usually tends to piss people off

[John Q. Citizen]

4. I called my states supers. We had nice friendly chats. I'm glad I did.

[gatorboy]

3. When she starts bugging the Super Dooper Delegates is when things get nasty.

[DJ13]

5. Randi has made it clear she is against Clinton after her McCain comments

Hillary jumped the shark by saying she and McCain have experience, Obama only had a speech, and she pissed off a lot of long time Democrats by saying that.

[mod mom]

64. Yes she took a neutral stance until Team Hillary started touting McCain over Obama.

She was beyond angry over it. (and not alone!)

[movonne]

6. She is absolutely right...she can't win and this prolonging the

primary..

[Jillian]

10. Wrong. As Howard Dean said - this race is far from over - let the voters decide.

Obama supporters still like Howard Dean, right?

[ronnykmarshall]

15. Not if he doesn't get on the Unity Train!

:sarcasm:

[Exilednight]

28. You're right, let the voters decide. I'm a voter who has SD's that hold office in my state.....

and I will use my vote to pressure them into casting their SD in the favor of my candidate. If they don't, I will be looking for an up and coming Democrat to take their place.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

7. I'm not following you.

Do you understand the difference between pledged delegates and superdelegates?

[azmouse]

8. It's her show. She can say what she wants to.

And anyone is free to turn off her show if they don't like what they hear.

You realize that Bill Clinton is calling the Supers too to get them to vote for Hillary.
Why shouldn't we as US citizens also be able to call the Supers and ask them to vote for Obama?

[LisaM]

14. She can say what she wants, but she's splitting her audience

as is Stephanie Miller. IMO, that's a stupid thing to do.

[Jillian]

17. And more importantly, splitting the Democratic party even further.

[azmouse]

21. Hillary is doing a fine job of that with her support of McSame.

[azmouse]

19. I don't agree.

The truth about Hillary needs to get out.

[Jillian]

25. And if Hillary is Obama's pick for VP, do you really think that is a good thing?

[azmouse]

30. He'll never pick her.

She's burned her bridges with her support of McSame. Maybe he'll take her...

[ronnykmarshall]

24. I wonder how the ratings are going?

[Jillian]

44. I wonder that about Olbermann too.

[Kittycat]

49. Never Better, I'm sure.

[ronnykmarshall]

54. I know we quit watching.

My parents quit watching as well.

[Skip Intro]

57. I quit watching too. Rarely even tune to msnbc anymore.

[John Q. Citizen]

9. Yes, they are yoiur enemies. My advice is to listen to Rush. He's fund raising for Hill

[Jillian]

13. Oh please. You are missing point.

[Toallwhoshallsee]

Amen!

Rush is making millions by perpetuating the illusion that has him influencing the democratic primary...Ya know, brand name medicine is expensive....Now where is my bottle of CVS aspirin..

[walldude]

11. Yes it's a plot. A conspiracy.

When this many left wing pundits agree it has to be a plot against Hillary. There is no chance that all these people could actually think Obama would make a better president, that's just not possible.

[lapfog_1]

16. Super delegates are up for grabs.

You don't think anyone from Camp Clinton is calling each and every Super Delegate (declared for Obama or not?)...
hell, they are even calling their own declared Supers over again, just to keep the herd in the corral.

This is much, much, different than Hillary pressuring PLEDGED delegates who were elected in a primary or caucus to vote for her instead of Obama.

Supers are up for grabs (that's why "counts" including Super Delegates are meaningless... at any time and for any reason, they can simply change their minds).

[Jillian]

20. Yes they probably are BUT why is she telling Obama supporters to pressure them to vote for Obama?

[azmouse]

22. Since when is a phone call pressure?

And why is it ok with you when Bill does it?

[lapfog_1]

26. Why not?

Randi has declared for Obama... I think she can ask her listeners to vote for Obama and pressure Super Delegates. I've written both DiFi and Boxer to have them switch to Obama. You can ask your Supers to switch to Obama. Or call random Supers and ask for their support.

[LisaM]

40. Or, you can ask your Supers to switch to Clinton

or call random supers and ask them to support Clinton.

[totodeinhere]

32. Because she supports Obama?

It's a talk show. She can advocate for whatever candidate she wants.

[DearAbby]

18. Now all the sudden

calling your Representatives, asking them to vote the people's choice in their district is wrong? Why bother calling Washington and asking them to vote a certain way?

All Randi did was ask her listeners to call their Representatives, become involved. And now that is wrong.

[Jillian]

23. Okay - Arizonans call your Governor. Mass. call your Senators and Governors

because if we are going to play that game, than Kerry, Kennedy, Duvall, Napolitano all need to vote for Hillary.

[ronnykmarshall]

27. As they should!

[DearAbby]

42. Call them...that is your right.

As I am calling my Senator, and Congressperson for the same reason. I am also calling them to not support Clinton because of her endorsement of McCain. I don't feel she is worthy to Represent our party.

[LisaM]

33. What is wrong is that she is implying super delegates will "steal" the election

when they have every right to vote as they please. There is no rule that they have to vote for anyone.

And if you really believe that Hillary is ENDORSING John McCain, then I think your perspective is out of whack. She also said McCain has more experience than she does. Do you think she is endorsing McCain over herself?

[DearAbby]

41. Hillary DID ENDORSE MCCAIN OVER OBAMA

not once but many times. It was not a inadvertent statement, it was calculated, because she has repeated it. I am not stupid. I know what I heard.

As for her experience...I am still waiting to see what that is, maybe you can list them for me. Care too? Exactly what experience does she bring to slap on the table against McCain's?

[Jillian]

43. You really need to cut back on your Kool-aide consumption.

It is effecting the part of your brain that includes logic and reasoning.

Hillary was making a case why she is better to take on McCain. Duh!

[DearAbby]

52. cut back on your Kool-aide consumption?

that is the best you can do? Insult my intelligence? No matter, Hillary and her supporters have been doing that quite a bit lately. They have insulted people who support Obama as ignorant cultists, latte/koolaid sucking elitist. I got the double dose, since I caucused instead...my vote doesn't count...tripple dose...I don't reside in a state that counts.

I know what I heard.

[LisaM]

46. Give me a break. She did not endorse him.

To keep insisting that she did is willful misinterpretation.

Hillary brings a lot of experience to the table, IMO. I think that there are First Ladies who have in the past, and I think she is one of them. Other First Ladies I would list as being actively engaged in their role, and able to make decisions based on that experience are:

Abigail Adams
Edith Wilson
Lou Hoover
Eleanor Roosevelt
Roslyn Carter

(I listed them chronologically).

First Ladies that I think (and this is not complete) didn't engage in their role in a way that gave them experience include:

Nancy Reagan
Mary Todd Lincoln
Mamie Eisenhower
Bess Truman
Jackie Kennedy
Pat Nixon
Laura Bush

[DearAbby]

47. She endorsed McCain over another in her own Party

I am not the only one who heard it or believes it. She ENDORSED McCain as a better candidate than Obama.....PERIOD. That is unforgivable to me.

Dont believe your lying eyes and ears. Is that what you are trying to tell me?

[LisaM]

50. No, I know how to disseminate a remark

and you, apparently, don't.

[DearAbby]

53. Well shit, honey

tell this ignorant old woman how she misheard Clinton stating that all Obama has in way of experience is a GOD DAMNED SPEECH? Tell me I misheard Clinton stating that McCain has more experience being President than Obama. Maybe as you are telling this poor ignorant old woman what she really heard you can copy paste it to all the others who have misunderstood it.

I am still waiting for someone to list this vast fecking experience Hillary has. Can you list them, instead of trying to insult my intelligence?

[LisaM]

58. Do you just purposely ignore the many nice things she has said about Obama?

Or the fact that she campaigned for him in Illinois? Or that she said she would work for him if he won? Or the factors that the voters have a great choice to make? Or the fact that she said she was honored to be on the debate platform with him?

If she didn't think she was a better candidate, I don't think she would be running. But whether or not she said McCain had more military experience than either she or Obama hardly means that she is endorsing him over the two of them. It's a meme, and doesn't bear being worn out any more. At least as I see it.

[Johnny__Motown]

29. There won't be a joint ticket. Hillary is unacceptable in either position

[Jillian]

31. 48% of Dems totally disagree with you.

[scheming daemons]

35. 48% of country would rather get poked in the eye with a sharp stick than vote for her....

...gives her very little margin of error.

[Jillian]

39. You are rather sad.

[scheming daemons]

36. Dupe...delete

[DemBones DemBones]

34. . . .

Well. . .

"Are Randi, Stephanie Miller and Olbermann really trying to fuck up our chances in November?"

if not, they're doing a really good imitation of trying to help McCain win.

[thoughtcrime1984]

37. Kind of like all of the mealy-mouth talking heads on CNN

or the constant barrage of surrogate interviews, like Eddie Rendell, McAuliffe, Carville.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

38. And what exactly is the problem with that?

[Rene]

45. Randy is like Molly Ivins, who in 2000 endorsed Ralph Nader,

and got us 8 years of bush. They pick the WRONG candidate, for all the wrong reasons.

Go Hillary...take it all the way to the convention.

Obama will never stand up to scrutiny about the king-makers who've financed and packaged him for the gullible public.

[theredpen]

51. Um... except no one ever had a poll showing that Nader would win more electoral votes than Gore

Latest poll from http://www.surveyusa.com

How is picking the candidate that beats McCain by more electoral votes the wrong candidate — or are you a closet McCain supporter? Clinton has all the "big" states, and only the big states. If she loses one state, she loses, and she wins many of the states about by razor-thin margins. As you can see, Obama can win without Florida. You want Florida to be a key state again?!

[Bucky]

55. Oh! My!! God!! How can we have a democracy if everyone's just running around talking to each other?

[Jillian]

56. Cute. But this is a little different.

[Bucky]

59. Yes, I specialize in cute. Now seriously, how is it bad to ask citizens to call public officials?

What objection can you possibly have to people approaching their democratically elected leaders to advocate for a cause?

[ronnykmarshall]

60. Oh so now it's a cause!

:puke:

[Bucky]

62. Yes. A presidential campaign is a cause.

Ronny, please, quit acting obtuse. It's not a flattering character trait.

[crispini]

61. Superdelegates should be willing to listen to their constituency.

Most of them are elected, after all. That's how we got Howard Dean - people called their DNC folks.

[Metric System]

63. Randi Rhodes? Didn't she say on Larry King Live that she voted for Raygun back in the 80s?

[Jillian]

65. Oh that is rich!