I'm starting to think the 2008 nomination is damaged goods for Obama

[Alhena]

Obama has got a long political life ahead of him, and supporters like me will be with him through thick and thin. But you only get one chance at your party's nomination these days, and I'm really starting to wonder if Obama should want this year to be his chance. It would be one thing if the Republicans had nominated Mitt Romney, but they nominated someone whom angry Hillary supporters could very realistically rally to if she is defeated. The same applies to Obama's supporters, and if they voted for McCain in large numbers, that would ensure that he could run again in 2012.

Hillary is clawing for this nomination like her life depends on it, and an increasingly big part of me hopes that, if this thing drags on to the convention, Obama just says "you want it? fine, have it." She'll have about 2 months before the election to try to convince Obama's outraged supporters to follow her.

[kid a]

1. Damaged Goods? You are getting your information from the wrong sources.

He is in PRIME shape, surging in national polls, and ahead in every aspect of this race.

Don't let the DU smear machine get you down.

=)

[BlueManDude]

2. Obama won't run again - in fact I'd bet he won't run for re-elect to the senate if he loses

He doesn't strike me as someone who's going to hang around the senate for 20 years.

[w13rd0]

3. I've seen a couple posts like this...

...and seriously, I must ask, don't you think the Presidency is an issue too serious to just let the nomination go to someone because they throw a temper tantrum and threaten to cry?

[Alhena]

11. It's not her tantrums- it's the animosity between the candidates' supporters

and the other candidate. I'll be honest- I am starting to hate Hillary, and I'm not going to vote for someone I hate. So she'll have to hope I change my opinion of her pretty quick to get the vote of this lifelong Democrat- otherwise I'm just staying home.

[melody]

4. I suspect she'll do anything to get it

If she's so pathological as to demand it, lest she destroy the party, then it may be the best thing for him to do.

Then when she loses, she and her supporters will have only themselves to blame.

[Metric System]

9. AND IF SHE DOESN'T GET IT, SHE'LL BURN DOWN THE WHITE HOUSE!!!

[LisaL]

5. It sounds like you don't think he could win GE.

[Alhena]

7. I'm starting to think NEITHER can win if this bloodbath continues til Denver

[lynnertic]

6. You really think HRC supporters would rally around McCain?

he lies - covering up Abramoff links
he does backroom deals - work for lobbyists against the people he represents
he walks through a market in baghdad - goading insurgents into killing 21 innocent bystanders the next day in retailiation.

he fucking hugs George Bush for crying out loud.
I can't imagine HRC supporters rallying around McCain, unless they were already also members of the Republican Party.

[Alhena]

8. On Hillaryis44 they are practically printing campaign signs for him

[roseBudd]

17. I don't think anyone who is prochoice or against this war will vote for McCain

Assuming women for Hillary are prochoice, I don't see a McCain vote.

And McCain is abysmal on the economy.

An oped of a few months ago addressed the difference between Reagan's economic times & now & why that message no longer flies. Economic insecurity makes personal responsibility a frightening slogan.

[democrattotheend]

10. I've been wondering the same thing

I'm afraid by the time he gets the nomination it might not be worth getting, if she continues trying to bring him down the way she is. Part of me wonders if he should find a way to step aside or take the VP slot at the convention and let her go down in November. I want Obama to get the nomination, but I want a Democrat to win in November, and if neither of them can win after such a bruising primary, I'd rather her be the one to go down in November and give him another chance in 4 years.

[Alhena]

14. Disagree on the VP part- that would be like joining the dark side

he couldn't possibly run on a platform of a new kind of politics if he joined her brass knuckles political team.

[LSparkle]

12. I see HRC's tactics are working ...

It's becoming increasingly apparent that this is her plan: Get Obama to lose against
Bomb-Bomb, then run in 2012 to "rescue the Democratic party."

I truly believe that Obama's appeal to independents and even some Republicans will
help him to win against McCain if he can emerge from this primary season without any
more Hillary-imposed damage. It's not just the Dems who are in the mood for change,
and if the general election ends up being a question of change versus status quo, then
we'll have a good chance of getting back the "Reagan Democrats" and then some.

[Window]

23. What LSparkle said.

[mculator]

13. As a Hillary supporter

Who will vote for Obama, I'm afraid to tell you that a major tactic on the table is to engineer a McCain victory so she he can't run again and she can "clean up" your mistake in 2012. Take the Dream Ticket while it's there. This is a brutal game, politics.

[Alhena]

18. I can't blame you guys. A lot of us feel the same way. Thus the nomination is damaged goods

you make my point perfectly well.

But your suggestion about take the "dream ticket" goes against that- why would Obama want to help her out by joining her team? Just step back and do nothing to help her in any way. His supporters will realize he doesn't want them to vote for her.

[formernaderite]

22. I am starting to think you're right

if she damages him enough...McCain may not even be healthy enough to run again if he wins...

[Skidmore]

15. That Hillary is "clawing because her life depends on it"

makes it damaged goods for her. She can't win fairly and the more of this ugliness she indulges in the less likely she will be able to attract Obama supporters. It will damage the party mostly. I will not support someone who through either by omission or commission gives quarter to racism, and does in in the name of feminism, or a party that will not stand up to it. It is offensive to me as a person and as a woman. If this is where the Democratic party wants to go, it will go without me.

[tokenlib]

16. I think the SD's will end this by June at the latest...

But if they don't, and the DNC and national groundgame has been trashed by the Clinton antics--you may be right...
But I think there will be pressure to end this--from the people...the media may get the ball rolling...the SD's will wake up to what Hillary is doing...

[Alhena]

20. They can try, but they can't officially vote until the convention- so a candidate is free

to tell the superdelegates "I hear what you're saying, but you may change your mind so I'm going to the convention."

I agree that they will most likely try, though. I expect it will work if they try to get Obama to quit, but not Clinton.

[Window]

24. Someone's going to have step in and stop this crap very soon, or

the party won't be able to recover.

[Bucky]

19. Once you finish that thinking you've started, I hope you realize what a bad idea that is.

No, there is no upside to Obama not getting the nomination. McCain stands a better than even chance of clobbering Clinton in the fall. Imagine what this country will look like in 2012. How many dead people, how many more enemies, how much more pollution, how much freedom will there be after another four years of Republican corruption?

[Rydz777]

21. Interesting point. John O'Sullivan the conservative former

editor of National Review has written that (1) Obama is inevitable, (2) given all the problems it will be a one term Presidency, and (3) conservatives should be willing to have Obama now "and get it over with." Be that as it may, I think Bush is leaving behind so many poison pills that the next President (be it Obama, Hillary, or McPain) is in for a very bad ride.