Keep antagonizing the women vote Obama

[quinnox]

Yea, go after Geraldine Ferraro, the Democratic party first woman nominee for vice president.

Who is advising Obama anyway, talk about boneheaded.

Real smart to attack a symbol of women's progress in your own party. A progress that was paid for in blood and tears by brave women who fought to be considered equal to men for decades.

Yea, keep it up, lets see how angry you can get the women out there to vote for Hillary to punish you.

Go ahead Obama, make my day.


NEW - I request the mods lock my thread

Too many personal attacks against me, I guess all of the Hillary campaign, Ferraro and all Hillary supporters are racist <rolls eyes>

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

1. Right, right, it's Obama's fault.

It's always the black guy's fault.

:eyes:

[liberalnurse]

136. It is my intuitive feeling that Obama will get a sample of the

disenchanted woman's vote today from the Mississippi Primary. He expects a big win......he is in for disappointment.

[Blue-Jay]

205. So much for intuition....

[Exilednight]

214. You better buy a new crystal ball. If Hillary calls a 5 point win a big win, then this is a blowout

[Catherina]

219. All I can say is here's to more "disappointment"

Rejected by over 100,000 votes :toast: Obama must be really disappointed.

[spotbird]

158. It just dawned on me

that the division she is trying to create is both racist and sexist.

These people are so desperate.

[JoFerret]

166. LOL. No - it the "fault" of a minority of over zealous supporters

.

[angie_love]

2. She shot herself in the foot, no one else. Can't believe any moron would defend her.

Priceless. I'm a WOMAN for Obama. Go Obama!

[geek tragedy]

3. Yeah, it's all Obama's fault.

How do you people sleep at night?

[Liberal Veteran]

21. It's all a vast testosterone wing conspiracy against Clinton!

Yeah....that's the ticket.

[dramatica]

201. Insults against Ferraro will alianete women

It's natural.

[krkaufman]

222. Which is why many suspect Ferraro's race-based comments ...

... to not necessarily be off-the-cuff. The female demographic is far greater than the African-American demo, and its theorized that the Clinton campaign is betting on any racial/gender blowback netting them more votes. And if they can re-brand Obama as "the black candidate" in the process, so much the better, as that may help with their case in convincing the superdelegates to override the will of the voters.

[ORDagnabbit]

4. Keep voting and supporting cluster bombing civilian populations hillary

and following herr bush's orders.....

[Blue-Jay]

This should be good.

Tell us how Ferraro's comment = Obama antagonizing women, if you don't mind.

[DiggerDan]

28. Better yet, tell us how Ferraro is some figure of admiration

For women across the country outside of Hillary supporters on DU who have suddenly "discovered" her. She's been more or less out of the public eye for nearly a quarter century and lets be honest, even in her salad days she wasn't all that impressive.

Give me Barbara Jordan and Pat Schroeder any day of the week over Ferraro.

[redqueen]

60. Hi DiggerDan!

Welcome to DU!

:hi:

[DiggerDan]

67. Thank you Redqueen

I'm a 3-year-long lurker who finally decided to take the plunge.

[redqueen]

83. Heh... welcome to the mudpit.

I was going to say things will get better after the primaries... but I guess you already know! :)

[DiggerDan]

124. Yes, I was here for the 2004 primaries as well

So I guess that makes me a 4-year lurker. This one makes the 2004 cycle look like a day at Romper Room.

[skooooo]

5. it's not bothering me, or any women i know

[LSparkle]

Me, neither -- or any of my female friends

If anything, we can't believe that someone who worked so hard to break down
barriers (like Gerry Ferraro) would say something so divisive. It's like she's
complaining because Hillary isn't getting as many "sympathy" votes as Obama.

I don't vote with my vajayjay, Gerry ... I vote with my head and heart and
in those respects I feel much more in tune with Obama.

[krkaufman]

221. Ok, I've heard it said that way, by some comedian or somewhere ...

... but about spit my coffee on *reading* it for the first time.

[redqueen]

70. Same here. (nt)

[salbi]

85. Doesn't bother me or my friends, we can think for ourselves

[BlueManDude]

6. nice try. ferraro's comments will turn off just as many women as men.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

7. I am starting to understand why so many folks endorse obama

Self defense!

Kennedy and Kerry might just make it through this primary without being called racists.

[quinnox]

19. lol

Indeed!

[Thrill]

8. LOL. This poster can't be serious

If someone from Obama's campaign had said Hillary is only where she is because she is a woman. Your hair would be on fire

[Liberal Veteran]

9. So he's supposed to sit there and put up with her lame sniping?

Get a clue.

And she hardly has a huge record to run on herself, I don't remember any accomplishments during the Mondale administration she played second fiddle to.

[Name removed]

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[democrattotheend]

13. Are you implying that Obama is Muslim?

If so, you sound like a Freeper and have no place at DU.

[angie_love]

15. And Hillarys going for the stupid ppl vote. Its working!!

[Mimosa]

184. Hillary's going for the SCARED Vote

Hillary's people are going after the votes of people -and there are many!- who are scared that Obama, a black man, will be as bad a President as many African-Americans have been as Mayors. what people in general have noted over the past two decades: urban mayors such as Marion Berry, Bill Campbell, Marc Morial have been corrupt, egotistical and incompetent. City schools take in lots of money which never gets to the classrooms. I speak with white people who have these fears. it's not generally hatred which drives prejudice but the observation that black elected officials are often not up to the jobs they've been elected to.

Obama will only be able to overcome the prejudice by being excellent. I hope and believe he will be. ~smile~

[angie_love]

187. Yeah b/c all black people are the same...

:eyes: The stupidness of some of you astounds me. Get out of the 1950's way of thinking will you?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

22. Obama isn't a muslim.

I thought you'd like to know.

[angie_love]

26. she knows but she likes spreading freeper lies.

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[bicentennial_baby]

25. OJ? Misogynist? Muslim?

You represent your candidate *so* well.

[OzarkDem]

47. True, we're not the kind of women who put up with abuse

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[angie_love]

48. I'd love for you to tell me how hes acting sexist.

I'm so alerting your post and I hope others join me.

[DarienComp]

69. I am too.

I wasn't sure, but now I definitely am going to. I come from a Muslim background-- my mothers side of the family emigrated from turkey. I find OzarkDem's comments so offensive I could scream. "The Muslim attitude", huh? Real classy.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

79. I, and 99.9% of DUers, do not share that poster's horrible attitude.

I apologize for some of our less-enlightened DUers, DarienComp.

[DarienComp]

96. no apology necessary from you, Starbucks.

I am fully aware that this is a very small minority, and am gratified that people are, what are the words... denouncing and rejecting it.

Cheers.

:hi:

[JeffR]

80. Done.

This is truly vile.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

68. Oh, please.

Ferraro's gender does not excuse her original comments nor her new ones.

Obama simply called her out because of those comments, not because of her gender. I find it ironic that some of the more extreme Hillary supporters mock Obama for allegedly pulling the race card, yet have no problem of pulling the gender card when it wasn't even a factor in the first place.

And the fact that you keep harping on the fake Muslim angle says a lot more about you than you realize.

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[Danger Mouse]

134. Another bigot for Hillary.

[Hepburn]

180. Gawd, you make me embarrassed to be female and a native Ohioan! n/t

[WolverineDG]

38. Actually he does

sorry if the facts clash with your version of reality. And the Muslim comment? Buh bye.

dg

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[Liberal Veteran]

54. Amen. And seconded.

[angie_love]

57. third, Please, this person is right up there with Piehole as far as dumbness and ignorance.

[Hepburn]

What Angie said! n/t

[Danger Mouse]

129. let this bigot join the piehole.

[XemaSab]

140. I want this asshole to stick around so everyone can see it for what it is

x(

[Cali_Democrat]

52. Oh boy

[DarienComp]

53. isn't this comment worthy of alert?

I was going to go ahead and hit the button, but I just wanna be clear-- what is the DU policy on posters purposefully spreading the "Obama-is-Muslim" smear?

[angie_love]

61. one got the tomb yesterday for doing that so alert away.

[Danger Mouse]

112. DON'T ALERT. LET PEOPLE SEE THIS CRAP FOR WHAT IT IS.

[DerekJ]

65. I did, N/T

[DerekJ]

58. Ok let me see, what does he Muslim faith say about women?

Let me show you how ignorant you are.

[Elidor]

72. Wow. Just wow.

You're plumbing new depths in here today. Why the need to demonize him? OJ? You really went there. Unbelievable.

[redqueen]

77. "What can you expect from a misogynist ass?"

Hey all you "Obamites are so meeeean! They call her naaaames!" crybabies. Fucking learn, would you?

[JVS]

88. Oh noes, the black man is going to kill white womanhood!

[EmilyAnne]

This is such a disgusting comment. You really should be ashamed. Why are you even a democrat?

There are plenty of women holding office in the republican party for you to vote for.

[Danger Mouse]

108. HOW DARE YOU POST THIS VILE GARBAGE ON DU ABOUT MUSLIMS!!!

First of all, OBAMA ISN'T MUSLIM. Way to spread right-wing lies.
Second of all, YOUR POSTS ABOUT MUSLIMS IS A BIGOTED BROAD BRUSH SMEAR.
I WANT EVERYONE TO SEE THIS DISGUSTING POST FOR WHAT IT IS, DON'T ALERT ON IT.

[Catherina]

118. Sorry. Too late. I won't next time.

I have a screen shot.

[whopis01]

217. Exactly! It is time to quit sweeping this crap under the rug - leave it up and let people see

what kind of filth is here.

[Catherina]

111. Only racist white trash is scared of Blacks and Muslims

Only racist HRC supporters are still pushing the Muslim smear.

When the hoods come off, they really come off!

[Hepburn]

191. No kidding....

...the comments from Ozark are sooooo totally vile...I just cannot find words which sufficiently describe how offensive this is.

[SoCalDem]

117. He has a pretty "liberated" wife and two daughters.

Somehow, I think he's interested in their futures.

Frankly, the democratic party has allowed the right wing to paint us into a corner on so many of the important issues, that it's actually difficult to campaign ON some of them..

HRC can "advance women's issues"..just be BEING there and having people SEE that... yes she's a woman and yes she's doing well, BUT once, even SHE hones in on "women's issues", the media IMMEDIATELY (like they have been trained to) starts with the Roe v Wade & abortion and before you can say republicans are Eeeevil, there are quotes all over the place that might be hard to live with..

The same thing goes for BHO and race..

republicans get around these thorny issues by using their code-speak, and the interested groups "get it" and fully understand the underlying message..

Democrats tend to want to make things "perfectly clear", and get into trouble with mis-handled comments..

Ferraro popped off, and said what she was really thinking..and unfortunately for HER, she showed people that her mindset is 40 years behind the times, and she's still thinking like a white country club lady of that era.. Many people back then (soon after the Civil Rights laws) thought " there..that's done"....but the rich still had their pre-civil rights mindset

[XemaSab]

132. You're on the wrong site

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/

[Melinda]

141. "His campaign web site has never even had a single paragraph discussing women's issues"? Look again:

Umm, you're wrong.

http://women.barackobama.com/page/content/WFOhome

And women's issues are each part and parcel of the larger context of human issues discussed at the next link of his website:

Civil Right, Disabilities, Economy, Education, Energy, Faith, Family, Fiscal, Foreign Policy, Healthcare, Poverty, etc.

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/

Additionally, his position and policies supporting women's issues are each addressed with his:

http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/ObamaBlueprintForChange.pdf

Glad I could help you find the material. :)

[Hepburn]

145. Look a FREEPER in DU clothing!

:puke: What a racist, bigoted thing to say.

Anyone wonder anymore where the Muslim attacks against Obama are coming from?

You are one sick puppy. I would say, "fuck you," but it would be kinder to all involved if you got unfucked up.

JMHO

[Greyskye]

179. and here's YOUR sign

[catgirl]

190. Alerted for blatant troll behavior.

[L0oniX]

192. Freeper or did the kool aid take over?

[L0oniX]

195. Freeper or did the kool aid kick in?

[C_U_L8R]

11. there's no excuse for racism

none. sorry.

[OzarkDem]

20. Nor for sexism

and that includes lying and distorting a good Democratic woman's comments.

Despicable, but not surprising coming from Obama's extremists.

[C_U_L8R]

44. sorry.. it's racist and there's no weaseling out of that fact

and it's not sexist to call a woman out on the racist things she said.
Being a woman is not an excuse for being wrong.

Geez.

[Hepburn]

193. How in the world are her comments ANYTHING BUT RACIST???

Are you so blinded by hate that you cannot see this...and so stupid you approve of racism???

OMFG........:puke:

[NightWatcher]

12. boneheaded? didnt she speak first? didnt she use racism?

I am so sick and tired of the Hillary-Double standard. She can claim sexism al day everyday, but when her surrogates use racism and Obama defends himself by criticizing her, HE is the one who is called names.

It's criticism not sexism.

[tekisui]

14. Please. Hillary went after Samatha Power who is a woman.

Being a woman does protect one from stupid statements.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

16. Well, this woman is disgusted by the actions

of INDIVIDUALS on both sides of this fight. I don't look at gender-or color. I look at words and actions.

[calmblueocean]

17. Hillary is the one who said the remark was regrettable. So is she antagonizing Ms. Ferraro, too?

Ferraro's remark was stupid and insulting. Hillary had the sense to acknowledge that.

[Cali_Democrat]

18. I think people are losing track of the timeline of events here. Let me help you out

1) Ferraro says that Obama is in the position he is in because he's black

2) Obama camp responds with outrage directed at Ferraro

3) Ferraro says she's being attacked because she's white

[WolverineDG]

23. A woman makes racist remarks & expects a pass

why? because she's a woman? I don't think my grandmother marched for the vote so women could be racist & get away with it.

dg

[NMMatt]

31. Exactly -nt

[OzarkDem]

45. She didn't, and Obama's swiftboat attack against her

reflects very poorly on him.

Dem women have had enough of the sexist bullshit he throws out instead of trying to engage in honest debate and discussion of the issues.

If he wants to take the gloves off, that's fine with me.

[Liberal Veteran]

63. Liar...she said he got a free pass for being black. Limbaugh fired from MNF for a similiar...

...remark about a black quarterback.

I'm sorry, but your defense of a bigoted remark speaks VOLUMES about you.

[angie_love]

154. I just want to say...You truly are an UGLY human being.

[Hepburn]

171. You truly are a bigot....and an embarrassment to the DU.

Please find a different forum ~~ one where stupidity and bigotry are celebrated because on a site like that you would be their most popular poster girl.

:puke:

[TwilightGardener]

24. What? This is laughable! She made her insulting, diminishing comments first--

Obama's response had nothing to do with Ferarro's gender--he would have replied the same had a man said it. She makes a racist comment, and then you attack Obama with sexism because he dares reply to the White Missus? Is that what you're saying?

[quinnox]

42. NO, that is typical Obama spin

We don't have to like Obama, sorry, that doesn't make anyone racist.

[TwilightGardener]

49. It's fine not to like him. It's not fine for a former party leader to diminish him

by saying he is only where he is because of his race. That is offensive to all blacks, it takes away from all of their achievements, and should be offensive to all Americans. And his responding to her is self-defense. NOT sexism.

[kid a]

27. thats just bat shit crazy talk

who died and made you queen?

[DarienComp]

29. Huh. I didn't know that racism is a distinguishing trait of Strong Women.

Fascinating.

By the way, Hillary's very lucky to be in her position... if she were a man, she'd have dropped out at the end of January.

How does that sound to you Hillary fans out there? Not sexist?

[mod mom]

30. As a woman, I have to say why should we allow a cheap racist remark just because

it was said by the first woman nominee for VP. Why in heavens would anyone think calling her out would be an attack on a symbol of woman's progress? UFB! It reeks of desperation.

[DarienComp]

40. Margaret Thatcher is not to be criticized either,

having been the first female Prime Minister of the United Kingdom.

[bunnies]

33. dont EVER speak for me.

This woman doesnt embrace racism, thanks. I dont care if the racist has a vagina or not. She's not a symbol of "womens progress", shes a symbol of Racial Hatred. And a fucking vagina DOES NOT make that ok.

[Liberal Veteran]

37. Oh, snap! You go girl! (and I mean that in a positive way!)

[Hepburn]

174. Right on!

:applause: Bravo!!!

[Liberal Veteran]

34. Apparently defending yourself against attacks from the Clinton camp is now sexist.

[Faygo Kid]

39. Oh, quinnox, you have sometimes posted badly. I trust you will reconsider this one.

This was patently offensive, and she compounded it today. She is doing no favors for your candidate. God Bless Geraldine Ferraro, but this is not her finest moment.

Nor is it yours.

[quinnox]

46. I stand by it

I'm tired of women being attacked from Obama people for expressing an opinion even if the opinion is a strong and provocative phrased one.

[GarbagemanLB]

50. Camp Hillary pulled the gender and race cards and as usual, Obama stays above the fray. Gobama!!

[TwilightGardener]

59. If Howard Wolfson had said it, the response would be the same--because

it's FUCKED UP--even Hillary weakly tried to get away from it. The vagina is not a shield from making a complete fucking moron out of yourself on the national stage.

[quinnox]

71. I see it differently

Sorry but I don't see it the way you do. Obama should not be attacking a symbol of womens progress in the way he did.

[TwilightGardener]

84. Then Ferraro should not be attacking a symbol of black progress the way she does.

See how stupid this argument is getting? You really shot your mouth off without thinking here, and I know you want a woman to be the victim here, but it just ain't happening.

[Faygo Kid]

106. I am sorry to hear it.

Sometimes opinions are wrong. This one was. I hope I have, and will continue, to speak out when Obama supporters say things that are wrong.

I hope you will reconsider. There is much history in America not just about oppression of women - admittedly true - but about oppression of blacks. Which I am sure you agree is also undeniably true. Is this really where you want to be on this one?

[quinnox]

149. Yes I agree that the oppression of blacks and women you mentioned

took place in American history.

But Ferraro is an important symbol and shoudn't be talked about like Obama did.

[Faygo Kid]

170. I agree that Ferraro is an important symbol. But is not Barack also an important symbol?

Barack Obama should be criticized, if at all, on his positions. If Geraldine Ferraro is an important symbol - and I agree she is; I voted for her with Mondale in 1984 - can you not agree that saying Barack is only where he is because he is black is a step backwards to where we want to be? Hillary also criticized Ferraro's comments. Geraldine Ferraro is indeed important. But many important people have said things that are wrong. I hope you will acknowledge that this was wrong, and we can move on.

But it was wrong. That is non-negotiable. Thanks for the dialogue, but that's how I see it.

[quinnox]

177. I enjoyed the dialogue

You make a good argument, I will think about this, but I still think Obama was too strong in his remarks.

[Hepburn]

175. OMFG.....

..."racism" is now merely a "strong and provocative" opinion. We have gone down the rabbit hole completely.

What??? The KKK is now an acceptable organization, too? Just merely one that likes to dress up in funny white sheets and burn crosses on the lawns of black families. They just got a bad rep, too....just like Ferraro?

:puke:

[gmudem]

197. Ferraro's statement was neither strong nor provocative

It was ignorant, stupid, and racist.

[OzarkDem]

55. Obama is swiftboating Ferraro

and there is no way women should stand up for that kind of crap.

[Umbram]

64. You've lost your mind (and probably a chunk of your soul). (nt)

[Cali_Democrat]

115. Obama is swift boating Ferraro?

:rofl:

[NanceGreggs]

199. Your comments re Obama ...

“He’s going for the OJ Simpson vote – Muslims have very different attitudes about women, IIRC and don't see them as equal to men.”

Comparing a murderer to Obama – on exactly what grounds? Is your problem that all of those ‘darkies’ look alike to you, so you can’t be blamed for confusing one with the other?

Obama is a Muslim? You know that it isn’t true; you also know it is a RW taking point meant to be used as a perjorative term in Republican all Muslims are evil-doers parlance.

When reminded that Obama is not a Muslim, you opine that “with his blatant use of sexism and insulting women Dem leaders to make himself look better to voters, I believe that less and less.”

Needless to say, you have nothing to back-up the ridiculous accusation that Obama has blatantly used (sic) sexism. As for insulting Dem leaders, Ferraro is not a “Dem leader” by any stretch. And the fact that you state that Obama would insult women Democrats to make him look better to voters is too ridiculous to comment on. If you actually think that a Democrat running for the presidency would insult women of his own party in order to garner votes, you are truly delusional. Exactly where would the logic in that be?

But then, logic is obviously not your strong suit.

When reminded yet again that Obama is not a Muslim, you counter with, “His friends are Muslims and his attitude towards women reflects the beliefs of that faith.” Now there’s some intellectual reasoning – if one has Muslim friends, well, isn’t that close enough to being a Muslim one’s self?

As soon as a poster defended Obama and called you on your wholly ignorant diatribe, you countered with, “Another sexist for Obama”. Again the logic is laughable (but then, I’ve come to expect of it you by now). Anyone who supports Obama, or defends him against racist remarks, is automatically a sexist.

“Sorry, but the more he acts like a sexist ass the less I believe him.” Again not a single example of how Obama is acting like a sexist ass – only your ignorant ramblings to that effect.

“He may not attend the Muslim church but he has the Muslim attitude when it comes to women.” Your belief that there is such a thing as a Muslim church says everything about your knowledge of the religion.

“Obama’s Swiftboat Attack against her (Ferraro) - reflects very poorly on him.” Ferraro’s remarks were racist, dismissive and demeaning of a man who is a candidate for the presidency of this country. But perhaps you’re simply offended at the idea that an uppity colored boy had the nerve to talk back to a white lady, instead of kowtowing to his betters and knowing his place.

Your comments are truly reprehensible, and your attitude vile and disgusting.

I hope with every fiber of my being that you get the tombstone treatment soon – and the day that happens, I’ll be gleefully attending your funeral in a red dress. And I won’t be alone in celebrating.

But don't despair - there are more than a few websites and message boards around where your kind are more than welcome. But then you already knew that, didn't you?

[AtomicKitten]

51. That damn Obama keeps winning and everybody knows that's sexist.

:eyes:

[Umbram]

56. I'm sorry to see you embarrass yourself like this. (nt)

[quinnox]

75. I will never be embarrassed to defend a symbol of womens

progress in this country.

[redqueen]

90. She's not a SYMBOL she's a person, and she fucked up - bigtime.

Symbol... wtf... slay the fucking buddha already, please.

[Upton]

99. she's a symbol of racism now

show you're a Democrat and condemn what she said. It's the right thing to do.

[Umbram]

119. Ok, I didn't know women's rights entailed pro-racist positions. (nt)

[jmg257]

62. Damn Obama - how DARE he be black! He is just asking for it... nt

[stevenleser]

66. Defending racist talk gets you IGNORED.

Bye

[jaybeat]

159. But defending sexist talk from the MSM gets you K&R'd!!

Welcome to the Obama-supporters' double-standard!

Let me first say, for the record, that this "Obama is a closet Muslim," or has a "Muslim attitude" towards women (whatever the hell that is), is bigoted CRAP and does not belong on DU.

Second, I did not hear what Gerry Ferraro said first-hand, only second-hand on this board. So I will not comment on whether her comments were or weren't racist, or whether Obama's reply was or wasn't sexist, because I don't know.

BUT I will say this: When 90% of African-American primary voters vote for Obama, everyone yawns. Like, yeah, the sky is blue--so what? If ANYONE suggests it might be because Barack Obama is, I don't know, PURPLE, then that same blue-colored sky comes fucking crashing in on whoever made such a suggestion like they must be a Grand Wizard of the KKK!!

:wtf:

On the other hand, should anyone from the Hillary camp point out the misogynistic GARBAGE that gets thrown at their candidate EVERY DAY by the MSM (Tweety Mathews and all the rest), not to mention the Right Wing Hate Crime otherwise known as conservative talk radio, they are promptly told that there IS no problem, or that Hillary is "playing the victim" or "that's just how people talk" or whatever.

If you wonder if that's true or not, take every time someone has talked about a female politician using words like "bitch," "witch," "broom," "feminazi," "shrew," or worse, and substitute your favorite racial slur about Obama or any other non-white politician, including but not limited to the n-word, and see how many seconds might pass before you were banned for life from DU or any other non-right-wing board.

As I've said over and over, I'm undecided. Still. Frankly, I don't like either of them much, anymore. Hell, if this thing drags on much longer, I might actually HAVE to decide--the Oregon primary is in May--and that's the only reason I bother reading anything you nutcases write in GD-P anymore!

But I WILL take a look at Obama's positions on women's issues. I know that in terms of policy (questionable campaign tactics by surrogates notwithstanding), HRC has supported BOTH people of color AND women. I can only hope Barack Obama's record shows the same.

[Shakespeare]

73. The fact that she's a woman does not, and should not, make her immune to legitimate criticism.

I say this as:

1. A woman.

2. Someone who saw her comments as disgusting and, yes, bordering on racist.

and--

3. Not an Obama supporter (supported Edwards, just waiting for our nominee now).

[knixphan]

74. Symbol of what?

GF is a symbol of bass-ackwardsness.

Bring Samanatha back, Mr. O!

[Upton]

78. It's OK to be a racist if you're a woman?

sounds like that's what you're saying.

[quinnox]

NO

She is not a racist, that is just typical Obama spin.

Her words were provactively phrased but not racist.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

224. Provocatively phrased...

Provoking thoughts of racism...

:thumbsdown: Here is my "unrecommend" for an incredibly ugly OP

[Liberal Veteran]

82. No...they are saying it's sexist if you point out a racist woman is racist.

Pass the dramamine.

[redqueen]

86. Hahahaha

:hug:

*sigh*

[Freida5]

89. The Obama camp is both racist and sexist and it is not right.

[Faygo Kid]

148. Take it up with Michelle

I can't figure out what the hell you are talking about. But enjoy your time on DU.

[JVS]

135. Yup. That's his point

[azmouse]

81. Ferraro deserves everything bit of critizism she gets.

Her remarks were racist and uncalled for.

[XemaSab]

87. You're defending bigotry

How do you feel about that?

[quinnox]

98. No, you are defending sexism

And that is shameful.

[Shakespeare]

102. No, you are confused.

Blasting Ferraro for her VERY ill-advised comments is not sexist, and it contorts the very bounds of logic to suggest it is.

[XemaSab]

107. Are you SMOKING CRACK?!?!?!

I have LONG respected Ferraro, and I am saddened that such a strong woman would cheapen herself like this.

I myself am female, and I hate to see women degraded like this.

Crying "sexism" when there isn't any CHEAPENS the concept.

I am SO disgusted with this attack.

[Armstead]

91. Yes, stop being uppity, Obama

After all, the only reason you've gotten anywhere is because you're black. (At least, according to Ferraro)

Why can't you just be grateful?

[Bread and Circus]

92. Do you condone racism? Because it sure sounds like you do.

[WillyT]

93. Oh Brother...

:banghead:

[mckeown1128]

94. Your right.. she's a woman...so she should be able to spout

racist bullshit.

[TwilightGardener]

97. It was OK when Marge Schott did it too, I guess.

[Johnny__Motown]

95. She attacked..... she is wrong.... she is an embarrassment

[Danger Mouse]

100. So she should just say whatever she wants and not be called out on it?

Her comments were bigoted, and she tried to defend them by being even MORE bigoted.
Obama is RIGHT to hit back against this kind of garbage.

[XemaSab]

101. ALL the roaches are crawling out in THIS thread

Bookmarked for future reference.

[Danger Mouse]

103. the hoods and sheets are nice and clean and ready to be donned.

[quinnox]

109. Oh there it is

I told you that is Obama supporters standard procedure!

[redqueen]

116. So you defend racism, and draw out a bunch of defenders of racism...

and then you turn around and try to claim that as 'proof'?

Wow... just wow.

[Danger Mouse]

DU has hit new lows with this garbage. It's not even subtle racism anymore.

It's full on unabashed bigotry.

[earthlover]

137. Absolutely right. But anyone who disagrees with hillary on anything or even doesn't agree with

Ferrarro is sexist!

So, let's slow down here. Ferrarro race baiting is ok. But disagreeing with race baiting is sexist. My mind spins just trying to follow the hypocrisy of the Hillary Herd stampeding mindlessly into the ditch.

[quinnox]

127. NO, I'm not defending racism

I'm defending a symbol of womens progress from a nasty sexist attack.

[GarbagemanLB]

131. Even though what she said was racist? YOU ARE DEFENDING A RACIST REMARK. GIVE IT UP

[quinnox]

139. No, that is your interpretation and Obama supporters

The remark was not racist, just strongly phrased.

[Danger Mouse]

150. how the fuck is 'he's privileged to be black' not racially insensitive AT BEST?

and stunningly ignorant AT LEAST?

[earthlover]

162. She made a nasty racist attack. If you don't agree with racist shit, doesn't mean you're sexist

There is a principle here that Ferrarro totally ignores. And so do many in the Hillary Herd. The issue is respecting and loving ALL of humankind. It is not compartmentalizing humankind and saying "if you dont agree with me you are sexist". The concept is do you support ALL people, male, female, black, yellow, white, young, old, rich, poor, healthy, sick, All people? Geraldine Ferrarro obviously does not value treating blacks with equal respect. As such, she is not part of the community, but rather, a divisive element appealing to fear and hate. Now, it is true that she is a woman. And the community should respect women. But just because she is a woman does not excuse her repulsive treatment of Obama, and in so doing insulting all people of color. It is not sexist to hold Ferrarro to the same standards we should hold to all men and women: to not be racist. Actually, it WOULD BE SEXIST to give Ferrarro special treatment because she is a woman, which is exactly what some of her "supporters" are advocating. I totally believe women are capable of being non-racists and I hold Ferrarro to the same standard I would hold any man..or woman..to. It would be sexist to treat her any differently.

[quinnox]

169. Obama shouldn't have dismissed Ferraro

She is an important symbol and deserves to speak her mind.

If it was so racist why do you think Feraro is standing by her comment as well as Hillary.

Unless you think they are racist themselves which I would submit is absurd.

[quinnox]

173. I request the mods lock my thread !!

I'm tired of being accused of racism for defending an important symbol of womens progress in this country!!

I guess the entire Hillary campaign is racist too as well as Ferraro and anyone who supports Hillary! <rolls eyes and sarcasm>

[earthlover]

208. It's not JUST about racism. if you can't see what Ferrarro said was ludicrous, you are BLIND!!!!

All the things Obama did to attract new voters into the process and she says the only thing explaining his success was being lucky to be a black man? Is she seriously saying black males have an advantage in this society to being elected? Has she opened her eyes to the Congress to count how many blacks are members? Has she opened her eyes to history to see how many blacks have been president? Has it occurred to her that it may not be an advantage to be a black man? ANd THEN to respond to criticism by saying SHE was the victim of racism? OMG what a load!

If you can't see this, see an optometrist. Quickly!

[cbayer]

185. Clinton is not standing by the remark.

“I do not agree with that and you know it’s regrettable that any of our supporters on both sides say things that veer off into the personal. We ought to keep this focused on the issues. That’s what this campaign should be about.”

[earthlover]

207. here's what hillary didn't say: you're fired!

Funny how the hillary campaign INSISTED that Obama fire the aide who used the word monster. And she was fired. but nothing has come of Ferrarro's blatantly racist remarks. How could any campaign in the 21st Century not disavow and fire someone for such trash? Let alone a Democratic campaign. The Hillary campaign is clearly using this to appeal to the voters of PA who are not so inclined to think of blacks as human beings. Disgusting.

[XemaSab]

196. Best post of the evening

:toast:

[knixphan]

156. that's what I was thinking.

[Danger Mouse]

120. did you read Ozark Dem's disgustingly bigoted comment?

again, there is racism on DU, just like there is sexism.
if you want to try and deny it's there, go ahead, but you're full of shit.

[XemaSab]

122. If it walks like a Nazi....

x(

[cbayer]

186. C'mon now. Please don't go there. nt.

[Name removed]

104. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[quinnox]

113. Nope, WRONG

Im a 39 year old white male who is tired of the massive sexism against Hillary and other strong women.

[redqueen]

121. Well I'm a 38 year old hispanic woman

and I think your stance on this is flippin insane.

[loveangelc]

130. But you're fine with racism. That's good to know.

Exactly what did Obama say that was sexist?

[uponit7771]

105. Her comments were at the LEAST racially insensitive, why shouldn't he respond with dignity

[earthlover]

110. You can't be serious! Ferrarro is the one to be held accountable!

Yes she is a symbol of progress for women. However, with that mantle comes some responsibility.

If someone in this position goes out and says a bigoted thing, it besmirches the causes she represents. She does not earn a "get out of jail free" card because she is a symbol of progress. Quite the opposite, it is even a bigger tragedy when someone of her stature fucks up.

What Ferrarro said was inexcusable. Give HER a break? No sooner than I would give a skin head a break. Sorry, Geraldine. You put yourself on their level. Give yourself a break and learn to give up bigotry.

[Hepburn]

114. Oh, please.....

...stop being so sexist, OK? :puke:

[NJSecularist]

123. What has Ferraro ever done for the woman's poliical movement other than set it back

25 years after her pathetic showing in the 1984 election? She couldn't even win her own congressional district. She was the definition of a token candidate.

[Catherina]

125. Recommended with disgust so people can see this thread's filth in all its glory n/t

[burythehatchet]

172. you should have read my threee replies that I discarded, before I posted n/t

[Skidmore]

126. Geraldine Ferraro's comments were an embarrassment to me as a woman.

Furthermore, they should embarrass every Democrat in this day and age. Today the Hillary Clinton campaign sounded very much like George Wallace's campaign. If a man had said those words they would be equally vile.

[earthlover]

210. If a man had said those words, would he have been fired?

But...surprise....it was a woman. So you can't criticixe because she is a woman....

[mculator]

128. Hillary supporter here.

Do you have a link to prove she is advising Obama?

[fujiyama]

133. How did Obama attack her?

How did he make this about her gender?

And what the hell does "provocatively phrased" mean? I love your spin. Cut to the fucking chase. She's accusing Obama of being the affirmative action candidate. It was a nasty and racist comment.

This isn't about "liking" Obama or not. It's about maintaining SOME level of decency. Hillary and her defenders crossed that line LONG ago.

[Occam Bandage]

138. Using the vagina as a shield, huh? Doesn't that hurt?

[XemaSab]

157. If he's using one as a shield, it's hurting someone else other than the OP

:P

[Occam Bandage]

161. I suppose we'll have to ask Geraldine if her Yoni-Shield is effective. I'm guessing it isn't, since

she's now claiming that she's being attacked because she's white.

[Mimosa]

194. It depends on how tuff it is....

:applause:

Occam bandage, that is seriously FUNNY!:rofl:

[TheDonkey]

142. Yes, lets appease a crackpot racist idiot. WTH is wrong with you

[Umbram]

152. If you are a woman, it's ok to be racist. Didn't you get the memo? (nt)

[charlie]

143. Test-marketing her new "voice", I see

Too bad it used to belong to Jesse Helms. Qualified white loses job to affirmative action black is a dandy old chestnut. Still very resonant and effective. As you can see here.

[mculator]

144. k

[Umbram]

146. Where do I buy my "Women Racists for Hillary" bumper sticker? (nt)

[Nedsdag]

147. I'm a woman and I'm not antagonized.

Ferraro needed to keep her trap shut.

She just made it worse.

[flpoljunkie]

151. Whose antagonizing who here? Your post is beyond ludicrous!

[KoKo]

153. I thought it was kinda "UnCOOl, too. The Ferraro Comment was taken "out of context"

but to a new group of "Activists" they JUMPED ON IT...so they could be the Coolist "Rapid Response Team" in American History. I gotta give it to them...but THEY have NO SENSE OF HISTORY ...just go for a GUT RESPONSE. That kind of "stuff" tends to bite folks in their ass ..down the line."

[berni_mccoy]

155. KKK may as well endorse the Clinton Campaign at this point. They are playing up to racists now.

[Genevieve]

160. wow.

just wow.

:wow: :scared:

scary post.

[gmudem]

163. So it's Obama's fault that Ferraro was race-baiting?

Yeah, that makes sense. BTW, I don't personally know any Democratic women who are Clintonites.

[flpoljunkie]

164. Kos poster slatersan got it totally right...

She's half right

If he were a white man...

the race would be over...

and he'd be the nominee.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/3/10/144252/803/258/473658

[Mimosa]

188. If Obama were white....

If Obama were white -and half of him is!-he probably would have closed the deal by now. Flopoljunkie, I think you're onto something.

[burythehatchet]

165. Make your MF'IN day ...your day?? Holy fucking shit

[burythehatchet]

167. .

[Greyskye]

176. Here's your sign

[Starbucks Anarchist]

178. I love this logic.

Obama calls out Ferraro for her racially-insensitive remarks, and somehow it gets turned into a gender-based attack on a person who was an historic "first" in our party.

Yet you baselessly attack the first viable black candidate in history without seeing the irony of it all.

[LaurenG]

181. Are you blind to unfairness and racism?

What Ferraro said is a disgusting thing to say, yet you are defending a racist statement rather than admit the error and STAND UP for what's right. You treasure your agenda over honesty and what I find despicable about what you've written is that you would throw anyone under the bus as long as you can have what you want. There is no character, no morals and no humanity in what you have purposed.

Thankfully I am strong enough as a female that I don't need to prostitute my integrity by defending someone who is wrong. Geraldine Ferraro may have helped to fight for womens rights, but she is dead wrong in what she said. She needs to be held accountable and for goodness sake she certainly doesn't speak for me.

:eyes:

[Umbram]

183. Nicely written. (nt)

[GoneOffShore]

182. Oh my.

:eyes:

[k8conant]

189. Hillary Clinton has P***ED ME OFF - another woman for OBAMA

I'd take back my vote for FERRARO if I could.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

198. yeah, leave FAUX News Gerry alone!

who else is going to hold the fort in her crucial role as recurring fill-in strawman for Alan Colmes?

[rucky]

200. Attacker turned victim.

Where have I seen that move before?

[NanceGreggs]

202. Oh, there, there, poor baby!

"I request the mods lock my thread. Too many personal attacks against me, I guess all of the Hillary campaign, Ferraro and all Hillary supporters are racist ..."

Oh, poor baby! :cry:

You post something that demonstrates your ignorance, and total lack of ability to grasp the real issue, and then you whine for the mods to come and save you from the bad, bad posters who are calling you on your own idiocy.

:nopity: :nopity: :nopity: :nopity: :nopity: :nopity: :nopity:

Memo to quinnox: When you post your personal opinion - as ludicrous as it may be - about comments from politicians and the immediate consequences thereof, the replies are going to be just as personal.

Now off to bed with ya - tomorrow is another day. Maybe you'll return to the fray a much wiser little pisser.

[Danger Mouse]

204. wow...owned!

:D

[PITBOS]

203. bravery behind a keyboard. ok to hurt the feelings of

African Americans but if you go after the person who started all this its 'attack a symbol of women's progress'

Very brave of you.....behind a keyboard

[milkyway]

206. Wouldn't you feel more comfortable with the republicans. They love dividing people by race just like

Clinton.

Yeah! Hillary's going to win in Pennsylvania 'cause she's going to get the racist vote! Hurray for our side!

[SoxFan]

209. LEAVE QUINNOX ALONE

NEW - I request the mods lock my thread

Too many personal attacks against me...

[RiverStone]

211. What - if a man had said the same thing - he would have been

...called out for racist remarks with equal vigor!

[Skwmom]

212. I'm a woman and I am furious over how Clinton has manipulated, lied, and inappropriately played the

gender card. Then she uses the race card and blames Obama. I'm a woman and I will NEVER vote for Clinton (and plenty of my WHITE, WOMEN friends feel the same way).

[Medusa]

213. She makes stupid racist comments and it's supposed to tick off

female voters?

:rofl:

[Monty__]

215. Ummm....

She did make a racist comment (Ferraro)....again

[Bluerthanblue]

216. Keep playing the 'sexism' card- you are diminishing our genuine

issues into nothing more than snitch and bitch club shit.

Ferraro's remarks are revolting. She does NOT represent any part of THIS woman- and sadly, neither does Hillary.
She demeans all women when she speaks the way she has.


peace~

[SeattleGirl]

218. Sorry, but I don't like the tactics that the Clinton campaign is using.

And to tell me that not voting for Hilary makes me a sexist woman is flat out wrong. I judge her just as I do Obama; on what she does and what she says.

To imply that there is something wrong with me as a woman because I don't want to vote for Hilary is just stupid. What you seem to be saying is that the main reason why you are a Clinton supporter is BECAUSE she's a woman. I don't work that way, and neither do many women.

[krkaufman]

220. Ferraro being a strong feminist and the first female on a major party ticket ...

... doesn't immunize her from making absolutely clueless racist or racially-insensitive statements.

And I thank DU admins for not locking this thread, just yet, allowing me to both reject and denounce your support for Ferraro's racist remarks.

[rodeodance]

223. I am sorry that so many have lowered themselves with personal attacks on you.