The Ferraro incident displays how Clinton is damaged goods (she now can't win the black vote)

[Unsane]

Running her in the GE at this point would be a disaster. Black Dems are going to sit home (as they should!).

[Metric System]

1. Unsane? Insane!

[Unsane]

2. nope

[Metric System]

5. I'll take you at your word.

[movonne]

8. How come you can stand by her when you know she is wrong...you

so remind me of the rethugs making excuses for bush..

[ecstatic]

18. Are you kidding? HRC has severely miscalculated if she thinks the black

vote is guaranteed for her. Her attacks have become more disgusting by the week. All McCain (who according to HRC is more qualified than Obama) has to do is pick Powell for VP and she's toast.

[Unsane]

32. Or Condi

He may be able to split the black vote with her. Hillary nomination = general election loss.

[ecstatic]

43. Hmm...that might be pushing it. I don't know any Condi fans lol nt

[flor de jasmim]

3. Racist comments are offensive generally, not just to Blacks - -

I understand your statement about Blacks staying home in November, but I wish we could just get beyond the idea that ONLY Blacks, or ONLY women, or ONLY Hispanics, etc. etc. are affected by the actions that target a particular group. We are all lessened by it.

[anigbrowl]

26. Yep...it's not just Black voters

this white person and several others I know, along with a good number of Asians and Latinos are pretty annoyed by those comments too.

[Independent-Voter]

44. Yep, times two.

[ContinentalOp]

28. Exactly. There's no fuckin way I can vote for her now.

It's a tough decision to make but luckily I live in CA which makes it a little easier to just sit this one out. I could never feel comfortable voting for her after this campaign.

[Mimosa]

4. Damaged goods

Well, the thing is that Hillary should not become the nominee. Blacks and a lot of young people will not vote if Obama gets pushed out by the Clinton manipulation of the process. If Ferrarro's comments were not racially biased they certainly play on prejudice. It seems Clintonistas will say ANYTHING to help their 'girl' -she said it I didn't- win.

[LisaL]

7. And if Obama gets the nomination, a lot of Hillary voters won't

vote for him either.
So there.

[movonne]

10. I think they might be racist...I'm sure there is many of those...

[JVS]

11. At this point, I don't give a flying fuck. If anyone wants a party where they can be a racist..

like the Ferarro has been in order to score points, they can get out of the tent.

[NorthernSpy]

13. Amen! High damn time someone said this.

:thumbsup:

[ldf]

23. not true.

i don't believe that to be true at all.

and the ones who ARE saying it aren't hillary supporters, they aren't even democrats.

their whole purpose is to provide wedge issues to rip the democratic party apart.

(now some will immediately respond, NO, HILLARY RIPPED IT APART BECAUSE SHE IS WHITE AND HAS A VAGINA, while others will respond that, NO, OBAMA RIPPED IT APART BECAUSE HE ISN'T WHITE AND HAS A PENIS!)

sorry, sad attempt at levity...

that is happening big time, on both sides, here on du.

some may call all this sniping at each other, passion, but i think it is nothing but planned, coordinated efforts to help mccain win in november.

so there.

[pampango]

40. You are right. And that is what Democrats have done to ourselves

in this our "sure thing" presidential campaign year. As a long-time Democrat it makes me want to :banghead: .

As an amateur historian, I alternatively think that a) Democrats can't lose this year no matter how badly we mangle the nomination process or b) only the Democratic party could be overconfident enough and alienate enough of its base during the nomination process to lose an election in a "sure win" year.

[JVS]

9. "If Ferrarro's comments were not racially biased"

If they weren't what the fuck could qualify as racially biased?

[CTyankee]

16. This is sadly the case. I had no idea when I voted for Mondale/Ferraro

in 1996 that she harbored such thoughts as these. I am really shocked and disappointed in what I thought was a good liberal progressive Democrat.

Well, live and learn. I am really sad about this turn of events. It is not a good thing for our party. We should be better than this...

[Mooney]

29. Nothing less than shooting Medgar Evers. n/t

[earthlover]

6. Even before Ferrarro, Hillary would not have done well in November

Hillary would not lose the AA voters. Many would just stay home though.

[suston96]

12. "Black Dems" will never "sit home" for an election. They never do.

The Ferraro "incident" demonstrates facts about this election and a future general if Obama is nominated.

Obama's main strength in the Democratic nomination race has been the black vote. There is nothing racist about commenting on the race demographics of an election which include breakdowns by sex, religion, income, education and all the rest.

Believe it, or....check the Mississippi results shortly when the returns including exit polls come in. They will be broken down, more or less, as I have them listed. As they always have been during this primary election process with race and sex being the leading demographics.

[Spider Jerusalem]

15. They very well might if Hillary gets the nomination.

Black people are tired of being taken for granted by the Democratic Party; the idea that they'll just line up and punch the Dem ticket in November if Hillary manages to STEAL (that's right, I said 'steal', because that's the only way she can get it now) the nomination from Obama, when Obama will go into the convention with a LEAD in pledged delegates, is just fucking STUPID, to be honest. For just a moment, try to imagine the feminist outrage if the delegate situation were reversed, and if Obama were not black but white, and were given the nomination ANYWAY, because Hillary 'just wasn't ready' and 'needed to wait her turn'. Do you think feminists would support that decision with their votes?

[ecstatic]

20. Ha! Don't count on it. Black outs are already being discussed

We survived Bush, we can survive anything.

[Unsane]

14. Example: Hillary wins just 9% of blacks in MS

per MSNBC

[BlueIdaho]

17. HRC will you Denounce or Reject?

“There's a difference between denouncing and rejecting," Clinton said. "And I think when it comes to this sort of, you know, inflammatory — I have no doubt that everything that Barack just said is absolutely sincere. But I just think, we've got to be even stronger. We cannot let anyone in any way say these things because of the implications that they have, which can be so far reaching.”

HRC

[Unsane]

27. yeppers

[Skidmore]

19. My husband and I just contacted the DNC and let them know

that the Democratic Party is going to lose us if this stuff continues to be tolerated by the party itself. Party elders have not responded to any of this racist crap at all. Such a party has no room for families like ours.

[babylonsister]

21. Good idea, Skidmore. Where is the outrage? nt

[Cha]

37. Really! They seem to be reporting

the whole ferrero thing on m$$m 'cause my son knows all about on Kauai.

[JVS]

31. Would you post the contact info?

[Skidmore]

41. Link for you

http://www.democrats.org/page/s/contactissues

[Unsane]

33. good idea

[dramatica]

22. she couldn't win the black vote anyway

I suggest that you stop pretending that she had a chance of winning the black vote.

[NorthernSpy]

24. before Iowa, polls showed that Clinton had the most black support...

... far more than Obama.


Then Obama won in Iowa (almost all white voters there!), and Bill started yelling at people in South Carolina, and then things changed.



So you needn't try any of that "Obama always had the black vote sewed up cuz he's black" revisionist history here. We have good memories.

[redstate_democrat]

25. If Hillary had gone by the book and won this damn

nomination without resorting to racist tactics, black people would have lined up to vote for her. Now? She doesn't have a chance in hell of winning black votes. That is probably the only guarantee I can give you at this point. Black people WILL NOT vote for Hillary Clinton. She lost it. Now, if black voters stay at home, not only will the presidential election be in trouble, but congressional seats will be lost, and guess what, we lose the house and senate. White people who are just as offended with Hillary's race baiting will also chose to forgo voting for her too.

This is a sad day in the Democratic party. I will be emailing several folks I know about this. I will also be contacting the DNC, my state Democratic party, my Senator, and my congressman about this shit. I will let them know their seats will be in trouble if someone doesn't come out against Hillary and her campaign.

[RamboLiberal]

35. I can understand black voters sitting at home if HRC steals nom

Heck I'm a 55 year old white woman and Hillary has me so pissed I can't vote for her. I just hope black voters will still go to the polls, not vote for Hillary, but vote for the rest of the Dems on the ballot. We can live with 4 years of McCain if we have a strong Democratic congress that checks him for 4 years.

[Unsane]

38. agreed

[JVS]

30. What, you think black voters have just been dying to vote for McCain or something.

Had she won IA, NH and Super Tuesday, she'd be the nominee now and have great support from African Americans.

[jconner27]

34. Obama has two chances

Slim and none..

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

36. She will win the black vote

Should she be the nominee there is no way McCain will win among african americans, what *will* kill her is that the turnout among African Americans will be very low..

[Lilith Velkor]

39. Ferraro is a stupid asshole. Clinton will survive.

[last_texas_dem]

42. I believe that Clinton would still win the black vote (vs. McCain)

But I do think that the tactics of her campaign (not simply the Ferraro incident) have lessened the enthusiasm that black voters could potentially have had for a Clinton candidacy substantially, and I won't be surprised if black turnout has been lessened substantially in the event of a Clinton nomination.