Have women put too much stock in Hillary?

[kentuck]

Is she the woman that will forever set the standard for the progress of women in this country? Women deserve a strong leader. Our country deserves a strong woman President. But is Hillary the example that women really prefer?

Is she cut of the same cloth as Barbara Jordan or Shirley Chisholm? Is her present position as a US Senator and presidential candidate achieved because of her superior leadership and ability to inspire?

Or did she win the US Senate seat on the coattails of being the wife of former President, Bill Clinton? Would she have won that seat on her own merits? There is no doubt that she is a very intelligent and strong woman. She is also ambitious.

And would she have run for President if she had not been the wife of Bill Clinton? Would she have had the experience or the support of so many if she had not been the spouse in the White House?

There is nothing wrong with being the wife of a President. After all, Eleanor Roosevelt was married to Franklin. But do women want a leader whose major accomplishment is as a "wife" of a strong powerful President? Do they not expect more individual accomplishments?

Rather than be labeled as "sexist", should not more men support Hillary simply because she is a woman? Should her positions of accomplishment be looked at as individual efforts and in no way connected to her days as First Lady? And should not First Lady be an experience that would help qualify her for the job of President?

Do women see Hillary as the last best hope to win the Presidency? Or is she the first best hope? Can women be successful without the connection to powerful former Presidents? Can they do it on their own? Is Hillary really the best they can expect?

[anonymous171]

1. Whoah, I'm not touching this thread.

:hide:

[quantass]

2. I have no problem with a woman as POTUS...I just have a problem with Hillary -- She's disappointing

[ingac70]

3. My Mom voted for Hillary in TN...

and wondered why I as a woman was voting Obama instead, saying it could be another 20 years before we had a chance to vote for a woman. She has since soured on Hillary. Hill's propping up McCain as a better choice for CiC over Obama has pissed mom off.

[IamyourTVandIownyou]

4. "It's the Clintons stupid"

Gender or race has nothing to do with this race.

Obama is a way better candidate for America because we have a democracy, not a duarchy.

[Beacool]

5. Save your breath, I'm sick and tired of the belittling of Hillary

by too many creeps to give a flying fig what others may think of Hillary. I know the woman and she's a wonderful, caring person who has done much to help others here and abroad, and deserves more respect from supporters of a guy who still has a lot to learn and too little humility to do so.

[happymisery]

6. Yup

She was born to be hated.

Not by me, though.

[bellasgrams]

7. Beacool, I admire her more everytime I listen to her, she

knows the problems of the working class. She knows what it's like to have to work. She worked her way thru law school doing hard work and she continues with that work ethic today. Instead of bashing her the people should be thanking her for her selfless work on our behalf. She knows so much, never has to refer to notes, I'm really sold on her and I had never intended to be. I just can't believe the way the so called dems on DU are so disrespectful of a former first lady and her President husband. I swear I feel like I'm in a room full of republicans.

[Beacool]

8. Yep, this place has become toxic.

When I see how this remarkable woman is being trashed it makes me heartsick, and all for what? To help elect the least experienced candidate of the 15 that were running in either party?

Well, true to form, we have become an American Idol society where style trumps substance.

:(

[longship]

9. No. *People* have put too much stock...

But I won't fall for the crap. I won't support Senator Clinton simply because of the facts:

1. I disagree with Senator Clinton on some very substantive issues. I'm not going to lay them out here as that would be baiting this forum and I want to keep this response short.

2. I do *not* like the Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton thing. We do not have a monarchy here. There is no birthright to the Presidency, nor is there a marriage right.

3. My opposition to Senator Clinton has *nothing* to do with her gender. So those around here who love to label Hillary opponents as *sexist* need not respond. Just because I am an aggressive woman's libber does not mean that I will automagically support a Presidential candidate merely because she is a woman. As a true gender neutral person, I don't give a tinker's cuss about the gender of the candidate. Nor race. Nor sexual preference.

4. To those who will label me a Hillary Hater, you know what you can do with it. I do *not* hate Senator Clinton. I just cannot support her in the primary, mostly because of item #1.

5. None of these are important save item #1. If it wasn't for #1 I could easily support Senator Clinton. In spite of the Shampoo-Rinse-Repeat of Presidential politics of the past two decades. In spite of the fact that too damned many Clinton supporters are ill-mannered boors who so easily fling labels around any forum containing posts which in any way criticizes the good Senator Clinton.

:sarcasm: Unlike all the rest :sarcasm:, I oppose Senator Clinton for President on the issues alone.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

10. NOPE