PARTY SKEWING STARTED IN PA......

[better tomorrow]

This from my old hometown newspaper today. I know these people ARE NOT switching just to vote for Obama. They are staunch Republicans. Party switching is alive and well.....

From The Bradford Era Online:

"...Meanwhile, Ordiway said she expects the county to easily best its historic turnout figures for a primary election, which usually falls somewhere between 45 and 50 percent. As of Tuesday, the county had a total of 26,511 registered voters, including 15,276 Republicans and 8,404 Democrats.

Between Jan. 1 and Tuesday, Ordiway said her office has received 793 applications from residents that wanted to either change their party affiliation or voting address.

“That is huge,” Ordiway said. “I would say a good percentage of those is party changes. We are seeing a lot of new voters on the Democratic side.”

[Dogmudgeon]

1. "I know these people ARE NOT switching just to vote for Obama."

Actually, some of them ARE switching just to vote for Obama. And some aren't.

There has not only been an ongoing party realignment in PA, but there are also a fairly large number of Republicans who want John McCain to run against Barack Obama this fall -- and a few who want to run against Hillary. I am surprised that for all the polling that is being done, that so little scrutiny is being given to these temporary Democrats.

I mean, who would stand to gain from ignoring a major amount of Democratic party-building AND concealing Republican interference in the Democratic party?

--p!

[Blue State Bandit]

2. Interfering in what way?

All I hear is Limbaugh saying "Vote for Hillary".

[SoCalDem]

3. He's not very subtle..He TOLD them to vote for HRC, because the republicans

do NOT want to run against Obama.. They desperately want HRC to run against.. They want to drag all their old stuff out of mothballs so they can get it all back in the spotlight..

Obama is harder to run against, because the republican party is loaded with racists & bigots, and Obama prsents them with a minefield to navigate :)

They don;t have any qualms about bashing Hillary, because before she is a woman (to them), she's a Clinton...but bashing Obama only reinforces what many people think about the party and they are in enough trouble withour PROVING themselves to be racists..

McCain himself is not a problem..but his people are ..and his supporters..

[Blue State Bandit]

4. Hey, let them switch. $15,000 fine and/or 7 years will learn them.

and if challenged as to identity or

residence, he shall produce at least one qualified elector of

the election district as a witness, who shall make affidavit of

his identity or continued residence in the election district:

Provided, however, That no person shall be entitled to vote as a

member of a party at any primary, unless he is registered and

enrolled as a member of such party upon the district register,

which enrollment shall be conclusive as to his party membership

and shall not be subject to challenge on the day of the primary.

PENNSYLVANIA ELECTION CODE - OMNIBUS AMENDMENTS Act of Dec. 9, 2002
http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:h9NqEeTwzpMJ:www.hava.state.pa.us/hava/lib/hava/statelegislator/act_no._2002-150.doc+PA+Election+Title+25+%C2%A7&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=8&gl=us">(P.L.458, No.135), Section 1210 (a.4)(9)(c)

PENALTY FOR FALSIFYING REGISTRATION
DECLARATION. WARNING: If a person signs an
official registration application knowing a statement
declared in the application to be false, makes a false
registration, or furnishes false information, the person
commits perjury. Perjury is punishable, upon conviction,
by a term of imprisonment not exceeding seven years, or a
fine not exceeding $15,000, or both, at the discretion of the
court. Submitting an application containing false
information may also subject a person to other penalties,
including loss of the right of suffrage, under state or federal
law.

http://www.kesslerforpa.com/VOTER%20REGISTRATION%20FORM.pdf">PA Voter Registration Form

Screw with the Primary vote, Limbaugh style, and risk fines and imprisonment.

[SoCalDem]

5. They are not going to broadcast it.. just change the registration

vote..and then change it back before the next primary..

Knowing or suspecting is very different from proving it..

What should happen , is for all primaries to be CLOSED..with the registration or changes to registration status (other than change of address) cut off at 9 months prior to the primary..

and no Independents.. If you are so wishy washy that you will not declare, then you have NO business choosing the candidate for any party..you take pot luck if you want to be an independent..

[Blue State Bandit]

10. There will be campaign poll watchers who carry over to GE.

If they recognize a "flipper" who registered Democrat for primary, and came back Republican at the GE, they can be challenged on the grounds of disqualified registration due to falsification of stated facts on a State Registration form.

Suffrage is the right to vote, and modern democracies, including the United States, extend that right to almost all responsible adult citizens, a condition known as universal suffrage.

http://teacher.scholastic.com/researchtools/researchstarters/women/index.htm

[better tomorrow]

8. that can't apply to party switching....that would only mean if

someone wasn't a resident of the state or an illegal alien or someone who registered and maybe used fake ID or something or registered twice. They can't fine you for switching parties. That would be hard to prove as long as you registered before the books closed.....even if you did broadcast why you were switching. As long as you are a legal resident of the state, you can decide what party you want for whatever reason for however long you want. Unfortunately, that is one of the freedoms of our country....for the present, anyway....

[Blue State Bandit]

11. Loss of suffrage is the key.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5035363&mesg_id=5035892

Lying on the VRA is a crime. Crime is proved when they switch back before GE.

The threat of fine, jail, and loss of future voting rights (changeable from act of crime, signing pre-primary VRA) should be made clear to those who want to test the memory of democratic poll watchers and election officials.

On edit: It is included in PA code that the names of electors be read allowed to the poll watchers and election officials to check against their rolls.

The judge is presented with petition to subpoena previous registration and wha-la, it's time to lawyer up.

[chknltl]

7. And furthemore...

The longer our two Senators battle it out the better for Senator mCcain. Not only are we using up time better spent going after mCcain, he is picking up nice little nuggets to use against us when we do finally get around to him. To rush, the now infamous 'limbaugh manure maneuver' is paying out triple dividends to his beloved neo-con party. Someone needed to refil his bottle of Oxycontin a couple of months ago.

[SoCalDem]

9. True n/t

[better tomorrow]

6. my stepdaughter still lives there and

works in a factory making Zippo lighters. She says that they have to listen to Bill O'Reilley for THREE hours each day as that is all that is on and their bosses make sure it is turned up. They only get one side. When the Republicans are seeing that Hillary is losing, they are resorting to Plan B, which is party baiting. It is real, folks.....the fact that Rush is promoting to vote for Hillary is just what it is...they want her to run against McCain and not Obama because they know they will lose for sure that way....and, Hillary is all for it....remember, her roots are Republican anyway....(she grew up in a Republican household)

[Dogmudgeon]

12. Different pundits have different agendas.

The Texas GOP -- at least some of its operatives -- advised its members to register Democratic to vote against Hillary by voting for Obama. Here is a story about these different kinds of newly-minted Democrats -- http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23394070/">Texas Republicans cross over to vote for Obama (MSNBC). The problem with these wise-guys (from "their" point of view) is that they don't follow a game plan and trip over each others', uh, wee-wees.

I'll repeat what I said about this -- no one is keeping tabs on who is doing what. My interest lies in encouraging as many sincere Republicans to become Democrats no matter whom they support. We are getting detailed information on every microscopic detail of these exit polls except the issues that we, as Democrats, can use.

--p!