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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 07:05 AM
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Obama Advisor caught sending Rovian-type emails (he resigned yesterday). Now we have a
Edited on Wed Mar-12-08 07:45 AM by rodeodance
thread here on gd-p—making a political statement and -using this 3 am red phone ringing narrative to slime Bill Clinton on the back of the horrible Rwanda tragedy that occurred during his administration. Clinton has said it was one of his highest failures during his administration.

Maxim Thorne, an advisor to Obama resigned yesterday (see below). He was sending out these Rovian-syle emails to listserves.

What the heck is going on here on DU—this was a horrible tragedy—yet, it is being used here--For the sole purpose of dissing Bill Clinton-and UNDERMINING Hillary Clinton's campaign!!!

Yes, Samantha Powers did receive a Pulitzer for her book on this topic. It was richly deserved.
She resigned. Now we see another Obama advisor resign.



Forum Name General Discussion: Primaries
Topic subject Thorne had to resign today -Obama Advisor GLBT leadership council: Another Yalie Embarrasses Obam
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5025635#5025635
5025635, Thorne had to resign today -Obama Advisor GLBT leadership council: Another Yalie Embarrasses Obam
Posted by rodeodance on Tue Mar-11-08 05:57 PM

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2008/03/maxim-thorne-another-yalie-embarrasses-barack-obama.php

Thorne had to resign today from Obamateam (GLBT leadership council: Another Yalie Embarrasses Obama

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Another Barack Obama adviser had to resign today after making incendiary statements about Hillary Clinton. Maxim Thorne, formerly a chief at the Human Rights Campaign and, until today, a member of Obama's Gay/Lesbian/Bisexual/ Transgender Leadership Council, recently e-mailed a lengthy anti-Clinton screed that began by declaring Clinton "a disaster for the Democratic Party" and went on to question Hillary's whereabouts "when Monica was having sex with Bill" and assert that "when Bin Laden was building Al Qaeda, Bill and she were fighting impeachment, fighting Paula Jones, fighting Katherine Wiley." Thorne resigned almost immediately after the e-mail surfaced.

Thorne has an undergraduate and law degree from Yale, making him the third Yalie in recent weeks to embarrass Obama with an apparent inability to grasp a fundamental rule of campaign warfare (namely, don't speak freely). Also Yale grads: Austan Goolsbee, who allegedly told a foreign government that Obama was just kidding about his opposition to NAFTA, and Samantha Power, who told reporters that Clinton was a "monster" and that Obama might keep troops in Iraq longer than he's saying on the campaign trail.

By Nick Curran 03/11/08 5:05 PM

.........

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0308/Obama_backer_Clinton_lies_and_stolen_election.html




Another sign of the anger in Obamaland at the Clinton campaign: an email from a member of Obama's LGBT leadership council, Maxim Thorne, to a couple of listservs:


Original email:

From: Maxim Thorne
Sent: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 8:46 pm
Subject: Clinton lies and sleaze

{snip}

……..At 3am, Hillary said she and Bill were in bed and she knows of all the calls a President gets at different times of the day and night. Really? So much involvement - so much togetherness. Where was she when Monica was having sex with Bill?…….
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 07:07 AM
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1. He resigned as did Power
Hilly's dirty campaign proudly keeps vile little toadies who say contemptible things about Obama, on board.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 07:09 AM
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3. Did you miss the main point of my OP
Edited on Wed Mar-12-08 07:19 AM by rodeodance


" Hilly's dirty campaign proudly keeps vile little toadies who say contemptible things about Obama, on board."
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 07:41 AM
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 07:59 AM
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37. I was appalled when I saw that thread--and that it was being Recommended and
comments like great post, ect.

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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:23 AM
Response to Reply #37
50. Of course, it's mob mentality..
whoever can yell the loudest, use the most offensive curse words and basically shout down their opposition with threatening language. They all belong in a psych ward as far as I'm concerned. It just makes me fight harder with the resolve the mental patients aren't going to take over the country.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:35 AM
Response to Reply #50
54. speaking of that mentality--have you noted
that not one has commented on the issue of the OP?

that being that there is a horrible thread here on DU that is being gleefully recommended.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:55 AM
Response to Reply #37
65. They have no conscience and it shows how sick and troubled they are
I think the Obama campaign has attracted every other emotionally unstable person in this country to its side. If this is the kind of new support he's attracting to the Democratic Party, our Party is fucked.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:06 AM
Response to Reply #65
71. yes, I too think it very troublesome to
the Democratic Party.

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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 10:35 AM
Response to Reply #65
103. Many Obama supporters have nasty, sarcastic , lying mouths.
Yes, he seems to attract people with hang-ups and racial problems who project all their own feeling on other innocent people. They are the ones who are racist and nasty in general.
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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:41 PM
Response to Reply #103
145. Reflect Much? The REAL point is that when an Obama surrogate screws up they quit.
When a clinton surrogate lies or makes racist statements it's fine.

You are all a bunch of hypocrites, and I can no longer tell the difference between you and the 19% that support Bush.
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:25 AM
Response to Reply #22
51. it really is frightening.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:48 AM
Response to Reply #22
59. You make a very important point.
People who cannot control their incendiary rhetoric, need to be kept out of positions of power. We don't need World War 3 because the Obamas and their supporters cannot learn to shut the fuck up sometimes for the sake of diplomacy.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:57 AM
Response to Reply #22
66. Well said, Tellurian, and spot on
Our party is in deep do-do if these are the kinds of people Obama attracts.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:24 AM
Response to Reply #22
75. Yeah, and Hillary supporters are all sweetness and light, and
never post anything they can't back up. :eyes:

The maturity levels around here during primary season are nothing to be throwing stones about. But it's very amusing.
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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:29 AM
Response to Reply #22
78. Hello, I'm Chulanowa. Now you've met one.
:)
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 10:20 AM
Response to Reply #22
99. I don't spew filth and profanity. I resent your characterization.
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haymakeragain Donating Member (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:06 AM
Response to Reply #22
111. Sure you haven't. Do you expect to be taken seriously?
What is Magsdem on break?
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 07:50 AM
Response to Reply #3
30. Your singular point of posting at DU is known to all. Nobody has missed it.
Believe me, your point is very, very clear.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 07:53 AM
Response to Reply #30
33. Would you like to make a substantive comment?--or just innuendos?
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 07:58 AM
Response to Reply #33
36. Your point has been shredded, but you persist.
Your one and only purpose here is to attack Obama on a daily basis. And you do it with glee and hate.

Your behavior here at DU is exactly the same as the Obama staffer you describe in the OP. The Obama staffer is gone. But here you are.

And Ferraro continues to get paid by Hillary.

The irony and hypocrisy of this thread is truly amusing. rodeodance, you've turned yourself into a pathetic caricature of yourself. That's the risk you took when you allowed your hate to consume you.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:06 AM
Response to Reply #36
41. You and many other Obamasupporters are in NO position to lecture me. In case
Edited on Wed Mar-12-08 08:06 AM by rodeodance
in case you missed the point of the OP--the thread I noted in the OP was appalling.


I have posted many positive posts about Hillary.

rd



"Your point has been shredded, but you persist.

Your one and only purpose here is to attack Obama on a daily basis. And you do it with glee and hate.

Your behavior here at DU is exactly the same as the Obama staffer you describe in the OP. The Obama staffer is gone. But here you are.

And Ferraro continues to get paid by Hillary.

The irony and hypocrisy of this thread is truly amusing. rodeodance, you've turned yourself into a pathetic caricature of yourself. That's the risk you took when you allowed your hate to consume you."
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:25 AM
Response to Reply #41
76. On the contrary, I am in the perfect position to lecture you.
However, I am glad that you've managed to balance your hateful posts about Obama with a sprinkling of cheerleading for Hillary. Keeps you grounded.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:34 AM
Response to Reply #76
82. I am proud support Hillary Clinton. Enough with your lectures.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:37 AM
Response to Reply #82
84. Enough for this thread. I'll certainly offer my wisdom next time our paths cross.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:41 AM
Response to Reply #84
86. since you added nothing of substance based on the points of the OP, i am
glad to see you go elsewhere.
have a good day
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:45 AM
Response to Reply #86
87. You have a good one, too.
I'm sure you'll be sitting right here all day long.

Wait ... am I disrupting your attempt to get the last word? I'm sorry. Go right ahead.
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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 03:50 PM
Response to Reply #87
174. Last word? Are you that insecure?
Pot, Kettle.

I'll bet you are simply unable to stop yourself from doing it again.
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elixir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:39 AM
Response to Reply #36
85. So RD should leave because they are posting subtantive and relevant posts? No, I don't think so...
This is a very important issue and needs to be recognized by both camps. Surrogates need to stay on message and out of trouble. Ferraro has been addressed.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:48 AM
Response to Reply #85
88. "Ferraro has been addressed." LOL! Yes, she has. And she remains.
Louis Farrakhan merely endorsed Obama, but Clinton wanted him denounced on a national forum. Geraldine Ferraro once again flexes her racist tendencies, and Hillary simply winks it off.

Yeah Ferraro was addressed: "I'm Hillary Clinton, and I approve of her message."

The hypocrisy among your clan is thick.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 10:07 AM
Response to Reply #88
92. Once again---you are disrupting this tread. Please direct your comments to the
thesis of the OP.

thank you.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 10:12 AM
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 10:18 AM
Response to Reply #95
97. "What an attention slut." good gawd!!
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 10:28 AM
Response to Reply #97
102. Oh, honey, don't be so sensitive. Look on the bright side:
Edited on Wed Mar-12-08 10:53 AM by Buzz Clik
Now you can start yet another thread about how horrible we Obama supporters are.

=============

EDIT: You alerted my vicious little post? My, my. You ARE sensitive.
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itcfish Donating Member (805 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:26 PM
Response to Reply #88
139. What Ferraro Said
you may not agree with, but it is the truth
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:58 PM
Response to Reply #139
151. It's the truth?Oh, hell yes!
Every Black man I know has it ten times easier than me. They get all the good jobs, they get admitted to every college in the nation just for showing up, and no discrimination that white boys like me get every day.

Yep. They've got it made. I guess that's why there have been so many successful black presidential candidates up until now -- because it's so easy for them to succeed.

I appreciate your insight. I really do. Here are some other sites where people think just like you:

www.rushlimbaugh.com
www.freerepublic.com
www.capitolhillcoffeehouse.com

By the way, have you always spouted racist dogma, or has this happened only since Hillary come out endorsing it?
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NDambi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:31 AM
Response to Reply #30
53. Yep..sure is..Crystal Clear
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:38 AM
Response to Reply #53
57. Thank you. I worked hard at making my points clear.
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NDambi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:49 AM
Response to Reply #57
60. Sweetie, it's not about your "points" catch up Maijera
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:51 AM
Response to Reply #60
62. you did not make your post 'crystal clear' then. what IS your point?
Sweetie, it's not about your "points" catch up Maijera
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NDambi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:52 AM
Response to Reply #62
63. Dang...come on put on your "thinking" cap and catch up..its not that difficult
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:54 AM
Response to Reply #63
64. I will not respond anymore to your comments unless you have some substance.
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NDambi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:00 AM
Response to Reply #64
69. ..I understand, if you can't keep up better not to respond...save face we only have one n/t
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 01:21 PM
Response to Reply #3
157. Honestly, the OP is mal-formatted to the point of making it difficult to understand.
I have a hard time objecting to the point you make here, though.
    "Hilly's dirty campaign proudly keeps vile little toadies who say contemptible things about Obama, on board."

See: Wolfson, Ferraro
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 02:44 PM
Response to Reply #157
166. The comment inside the text was not mine. i have already responded to it.
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elixir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:34 AM
Response to Reply #1
83. Good morning Cali. Thanks for taking the first punch and bumping the post.
:spank:
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Seeker30 Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 07:09 AM
Response to Original message
2. Gotta love the uniting Obama
Ooops...was that racist?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 07:16 AM
Response to Reply #2
9. don't know--so many things get labeled racist here on DU!
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haymakeragain Donating Member (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:09 AM
Response to Reply #9
113. Especially racism.
Where's magsdem on break?
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 10:49 AM
Response to Reply #2
108. Breaking....Obama is a black man
and I am a white woman! Ooooops...was that racist? My bad! I wonder if I'll be banned or tombstoned for that racist, nasty, sickening comment?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:18 AM
Response to Reply #108
118. Thank you for your nonproductive post.


Breaking....Obama is a black man

and I am a white woman! Ooooops...was that racist? My bad! I wonder if I'll be banned or tombstoned for that racist, nasty, sickening comment?
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Birthmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 07:09 AM
Response to Original message
4. No, no, no!
It's only Hillary's team that campaigns dirty. Didn't you get the, er, memo.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 07:10 AM
Response to Reply #4
5. oops that broken record--just goes over my head!!
sarcasm
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 07:11 AM
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6. There's nothing 'Rovian' about it in the slightest
A volunteer made a dumb remark and subsequently was asked to resign.
So.

What's 'Rovian' about it?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 07:12 AM
Response to Reply #6
7. Which Obama Advisor are you referring to?--Powers or Thorne?
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 07:15 AM
Response to Reply #7
8. Your post was about Thorne, right
What's so Rovian about a dumb remark?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 07:17 AM
Response to Reply #8
10. an example of the email link is in OP. NOT just one 'dumb remark"-he sent to listserves
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 07:29 AM
Response to Reply #10
14. And... that is Rovian ...how ?
Edited on Wed Mar-12-08 07:29 AM by C_U_L8R
ohnevermind
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 07:38 AM
Response to Reply #14
20. I am glad you agree that sending out these emails were indeed Rovian




ohnevermind
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 07:49 AM
Response to Reply #20
29. and you wonder why you're losing.
Edited on Wed Mar-12-08 07:51 AM by C_U_L8R
ask a simple question and get a string of nonsense. geez.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 07:52 AM
Response to Reply #29
32. Your posts were not clear. so I asked before I responded. simple as that.


......and you wonder why your losing.

ask a simple question and get a string of nonsense. geez.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 07:18 AM
Response to Original message
11. Rampant sexism directed at Hillary Clinton has taken a back seat in this campaign
. . . and, apparently it's okay now to lie and claim acts of racism whenever some broaches the subject, just to further the political ambition of one man. The campaign against the Clintons reminds me of something they do in the Soviet Union, with the tearing down of the past leaders to make way for the prospective new ones. These firebombers and these demagogues won't be around, though, to clean up the crap they've thrown around. Unity to these folks means unifying behind their choice and destroying their rival. All this to facilitate the political advancement of one man.
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Unsane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 07:18 AM
Response to Original message
12. adviser? lol he was a volunteer with no direct connection to the campaign
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 07:28 AM
Response to Reply #12
13. "Another Barack Obama adviser had to resign today"--says the link--do you
have other information?

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MadAndy Donating Member (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 07:31 AM
Response to Original message
15. First Obama was Ken Starr, now he's Rove. The lunacy of Clinton supporters is endless.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 07:33 AM
Response to Reply #15
16. now Clinton supporters are 'lunatics'
you folks have no shame.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:18 AM
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:21 AM
Response to Reply #46
48. more name-calling--very divisive -shameful.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 07:35 AM
Response to Reply #15
17. YOU missed the point of the OP--instead you change the subject!
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MadAndy Donating Member (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 07:42 AM
Response to Reply #17
23. When inflammatory words like ROVIAN are used, it draws attention away from your point.
The woman wrote an email, she resigned. What the hell is rovian about it?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 07:45 AM
Response to Reply #23
26. Do you read the email in the OP?--if you did you would not ask "What the hell is rovian about it?"



When inflammatory words like ROVIAN are used, it draws attention away from your point.

The woman wrote an email, she resigned. What the hell is rovian about it?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 07:36 AM
Response to Reply #15
18. BTW--do you have something to say about a DU thread using this tragedy to
make a political statement about bill clinton--and indirectly about Hillary clinton?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 07:43 AM
Response to Reply #15
24. Bad-mouthing by many Obamasupporters is a typical response to a serious OP!
The lunacy of Clinton supporters is endless.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 07:37 AM
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19. I have not seen these emails.
However, the phone rang off the hook in the Clinton White House with appeals for help in Rwanda. That's an inconvenient fact. In fact, the Clinton White House started making up casualty numbers as the situation was getting worse such as so many Rwandans have to die before this or that. Don't defend the Clinton White House in this area if you want to be taken seriously by people who know what happened.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 07:39 AM
Response to Reply #19
21. I said it was a tragedy--we all know that. Now what is your point as it relates to the OP?
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MadAndy Donating Member (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 07:45 AM
Response to Reply #21
25. Hurricanes are tragedys, This was hypocracy and gross lack of character.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 07:48 AM
Response to Reply #25
28. Yes, it was a "hypocracy and gross lack of character." on the part of Thorne!!


"Hurricanes are tragedys, This was hypocracy and gross lack of character."

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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:01 AM
Response to Reply #21
38. Pick other areas and emails.
The lack of moral courage regarding Rwanda is internationally known.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:10 AM
Response to Reply #38
42. Yes, I agree. I was being critical of the thread here on DU that picked this
"area"--the Rwanda crisis--to make a political statement about Bill Clinton and indirectly Hillary. You missed that it seems. I was not the one picking that 'area".

Nor was i the one picking the emails!
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:38 AM
Response to Reply #42
56. You asked me how my post to the OP was relevant.
I gave you the answer.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:20 AM
Response to Reply #56
74. ok--what exactly did you mean by "areas" and "emails" I prob.
should not have assumed i knew what you meant by your vague comment.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 10:23 AM
Response to Reply #74
100. What I meant is that is one area that is legitimate for attack
in response especially to the red phone ads. It shouldn't be included, IMO, in the OP for making a point purpose. Thus, I say for the OP to use other examples. I'm not an advocate for negative campaigning, however I wouldn't put that one in a real bad category because that is a legitimate path for attack or counterpunch.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 10:36 AM
Response to Reply #100
104. just to clarify---I was being critical of another thread that used the Rwanda
issue to make a political point. I was horrified that this was being done.


Debating the Rwanda issue on its merrits was not what was done in the original thread.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:11 AM
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114. That's fine.
I agree with you on many points. I'm not trying to be real critical of your post. I just had a different take on that one issue that you posted in the context of negative campaigning.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:14 AM
Response to Reply #114
115. thanks. i admit i was a bit confused by our exchange of posts. sorry.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:24 AM
Response to Reply #115
121. I'm sure I wasn't helping.
I'm not the clearest person sometimes and I apologize.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:28 AM
Response to Reply #121
124. back to you---I
too am sorry for any confusion of my posts or OP.
have a good day.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:12 AM
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44. Deleted sub-thread
Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 07:47 AM
Response to Original message
27. obama people do anything might be dirty, they resign, hillary people get praise
and pats on the back for dirty politics and this is what we need to run

i havent seen the emails but really is something of comfort for voters that these people are called on it
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 07:50 AM
Response to Reply #27
31. I agree with you--it was the right thing for Thorne to resign.


obama people do anything might be dirty, they resign, hillary people get praise

and pats on the back for dirty politics and this is what we need to run

i havent seen the emails but really is something of comfort for voters that these people are called on
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Independent-Voter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 07:54 AM
Response to Original message
34. Well, where was she when Bill was fucking an intern just a few years older than Chelsea?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:12 AM
Response to Reply #34
43. You seemed as obsessed by Bill's penis as did Thorne who now resigned.


Well, where was she when Bill was fucking an intern just a few years older than Chelsea?
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codeindigo Donating Member (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 07:58 AM
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35. Obama's 'purity" ship is about to sink!
dirty poli's as usual.
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oviedodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:04 AM
Response to Reply #35
40. Unfortuantely you fail to realize that when his people say stupid things
they get REMOVED. Its accountability and Obama is accountable for his organization which is why when they step out of line they get the axe.

If only Hillary could do the same.
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codeindigo Donating Member (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:16 AM
Response to Reply #40
45. oh. ok!
Jesse Jackson Jr...what about him? Ferraro...not part of campaign. She is a fund raiser. get real!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:19 AM
Response to Reply #40
47. Did you also miss the main point of the OP?
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codeindigo Donating Member (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:03 AM
Response to Original message
39. K&R
:kick::kick:
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Medusa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:22 AM
Response to Original message
49. So when will Ferraro resign for spewing hate?
and racisim?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:37 AM
Response to Reply #49
55. Try not wondering and stay focused on the OP
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:59 AM
Response to Reply #55
67. You're asking the impossible
To stay focused on the subject is clearly way over their heads
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:04 AM
Response to Reply #67
70. They have proven that--just by the comments so far.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:26 AM
Response to Original message
52. The more we learn about Obama, the more disgusted we (should) get.
...
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 01:47 PM
Response to Reply #52
160. I am glad to see the press is somewhat more willing to scrutinize him.
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catgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:43 AM
Response to Original message
58. How is it "Rovian" when it's all true?

Sure, he shouldn't have done that. It's not representative of the
Obama campaign. He lost his cool. But everything he said DID
happen.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:50 AM
Response to Reply #58
61. Not representitive of the Obama campaign?--Thorne was the 3rd one in one week to
'mispresent" Obama campaign


How is it "Rovian" when it's all true?
Posted by catgirl



Sure, he shouldn't have done that. It's not representative of the
Obama campaign. He lost his cool. But everything he said DID
happen.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:28 AM
Response to Reply #61
77. Misrepresent the campaign vs. the truth, can you list what "Rovian" tactics are?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:32 AM
Response to Reply #77
80. Why did two of obama folk resign?
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catgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 10:04 AM
Response to Reply #61
90. And would you say Geraldine's comments are Rovian?

or Hillary calling Obama a "blank screen"? Hypocrites.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 10:09 AM
Response to Reply #90
93. You might have a reading comprehension problem if you read the OP and came to that conclusion.

catgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Mar-12-08 10:04 AM
Response to Reply #62
95. And would you say Geraldine's comments are Rovian?


or Hillary calling Obama a "blank screen"? Hypocrites.
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catgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 10:11 AM
Response to Reply #93
94. I'm responding to your last post

No need to be so condescending all the time.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 10:39 AM
Response to Reply #94
106. Why would i respond to a post that is talking of Ferrero?--That is not the
issue of this thread. There must be 1000 threads that are discussing her.
So you have plenty to choose from instead of distracting off topic from this thread.






'm responding to your last post


No need to be so condescending all the time.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:59 AM
Response to Original message
68. K&R!
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Independent-Voter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:14 AM
Response to Original message
72. What the problem with this email? It's all factually correct. The Truth Must Hurt
Not the kindest way to say it, but damn if it isn't on point.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:31 AM
Response to Reply #72
79. Tell me--Why did he quickly resign? once these slimmy, innuendo filled emails were made public?

innuendo's
......
What the problem with this email? It's all factually correct. The Truth Must Hurt

Not the kindest way to say it, but damn if it isn't on point.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:16 AM
Response to Original message
73. Do you know what "Rovian" tactics mean? Can you list them?
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elixir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:33 AM
Response to Original message
81. Thanks, RD. We need to make both camps accountable. Good job.
:pals:
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 10:03 AM
Response to Reply #81
89. Just as long as "accountable" is defined by the Hillary campaign.
For Obama, accountable means screaming at him in anger about a mailer that was telling the truth
For Hillary, accountable means repeatedly comparing Obama to McCain and saying that McCain is the superior candidate, and then saying, "What? It's true!"

For Obama, accountable means demanding that he denounce and reject an endorsement he couldn't possibly control.
For Hillary, accountable means stating that comparing Obama to Ken Starr is historically accurate.

For Obama, accountable means firing staffers who make irresponsible comments about Hillary Clinton.
For Hillary, accountable means giving a meek apology for racist comments but keeping the offending party on staff.

Accountability for both camps. Yeah, we get it.
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 10:16 AM
Response to Reply #89
96. Obama, however, ebbs and flows with the phases of the moon
Maybe today Obama does this, but Obama has truly not been consistent in this area.

The last Philadelphia mayoral race is a classic example, and Obama will need to go up against the mayor he did not support.

And what happens in Philadelphia in a few weeks will be monumental - whichever way it swings.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 10:27 AM
Response to Reply #96
101. Wow, that's great. It is totally irrelevant to anything I said or this thread, but great.
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 10:36 AM
Response to Reply #101
105. Clueless. The relevancy goes to the heart of Obama and his credibility.
And is totally more relevant than your pomp, in a heart beat.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 10:51 AM
Response to Reply #105
109. Your post is more relevant to my post than my post? Damn, Maribelle!
You're absolutely correct -- when you know more about my subject matter than I do, then I am truly clueless.

:party: :hippie: :evilgrin: :silly: :dunce:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:04 AM
Response to Reply #89
110. The poster was making a valid comment about both camps. but you have
insert snarky comments that do not lead to a productive discussion!


Just as long as "accountable" is defined by the Hillary campaign.

For Obama, accountable means screaming at him in anger about a mailer that was telling the truth
For Hillary, accountable means repeatedly comparing Obama to McCain and saying that McCain is the superior candidate, and then saying, "What? It's true!"

For Obama, accountable means demanding that he denounce and reject an endorsement he couldn't possibly control.
For Hillary, accountable means stating that comparing Obama to Ken Starr is historically accurate.

For Obama, accountable means firing staffers who make irresponsible comments about Hillary Clinton.
For Hillary, accountable means giving a meek apology for racist comments but keeping the offending party on staff.

Accountability for both camps. Yeah, we get it.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:18 AM
Response to Reply #110
117. You mean that I don't support her point of view. I was neither snarky nor unproductive.
You simply don't like my opinion.
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 10:07 AM
Response to Original message
91. Obama fires people on his team that make inappropriate remarks
Why won't Clinton do the same with Ferraro?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 10:41 AM
Response to Reply #91
107. Can you please address the issues of the OP?--Ferraro is not one of them.


hy won't Clinton do the same with Ferraro?
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Iceburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:48 AM
Response to Reply #91
129. Did he fire Jesse Jackson? Case closed/nt
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 10:19 AM
Response to Original message
98. Another example of the
hypocrisy coming from the Obama camp. Proclaiming change while sliming the Clintons.

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haymakeragain Donating Member (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:08 AM
Response to Original message
112. Your turn now?
What is Magsdem on break?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:16 AM
Response to Reply #112
116. Yet another post that is non-productive. Just snarky.


Your turn now?

What is Magsdem on break?
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haymakeragain Donating Member (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:25 AM
Response to Reply #116
122. Are you two the same person?
You should get dual screens, then you could attack from two angles with the same tired rhetoric.
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:23 AM
Response to Reply #112
120. You really feel comfortable
taking on someone who not only has been here waaaaay longer than your 5 days and but also has contributed to the site? Already sick of his posts, are you?
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haymakeragain Donating Member (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:26 AM
Response to Reply #120
123. You don't know dick about me, so stop pretending you do.
Good effort. Hey, where's magsdem, on break?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:34 AM
Response to Reply #120
126. that poster has about 5 posts of the same nonsense. He is obsessed with another poster who.
seems to ignoring him/her. go figure.
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haymakeragain Donating Member (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:45 AM
Response to Reply #126
128. "Another poster", BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
like you don't know who magsdem is. That's too rich. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Stop it, I'm dyin' here.
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:08 PM
Response to Reply #126
135. Maybe he hasn't figured out
the ignore feature since he's only been here since Saturday.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:36 PM
Response to Reply #135
142. HA HA --bet that IS the problem.
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haymakeragain Donating Member (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:38 PM
Response to Reply #142
144. You better ignore me cause you ain't gonna like
seeing how I make you look the fool. Good luck with that.
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haymakeragain Donating Member (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:36 PM
Response to Reply #135
143. I full well know the ignore feature, it's for
asswipes who cannot hold their own. Whiners who can't handle the truth. PAB's who take their wittle ball and go home and play with their mammas when someone stands up to their spoiled, privileged little rantings.

Yeah, I'd say I know the ignore button all right. And again, don't pretend you know jack shit about me and how long I've been around DU.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:22 AM
Response to Original message
119. That's the difference between the campaigns...
People who make mistakes are asked to leave Obama's camp ~ not so in Clinton's and Republican camps.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:30 AM
Response to Reply #119
125. Can you try to stay focued on the points in the OP?



That's the difference between the campaigns...

People who make mistakes are asked to leave Obama's camp ~ not so in Clinton's and Republican camps.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:37 AM
Response to Reply #125
127. Just like your candidate...
If people don't say what you want to hear, you're nasty. The point I made is the important one ~ figure it out.
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haymakeragain Donating Member (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:49 AM
Response to Reply #127
130. I get it Poli,
but I'm not on commission.

These Hillary obsessors are making a very accomplished and decent candidate appear positively Repubic. Too bad, they do her a disservice.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:53 AM
Response to Reply #130
131. Welcome to DU...
Try not to let it color your world too much! :)
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haymakeragain Donating Member (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:07 PM
Response to Reply #131
134. Thank ya kindly,
I've been reading DU for 8 years. I've seen it all before. This Hillary/Obama thing is like a drawn out 2004. It was the same then. The know-it-all party people vs. the hopers for real change. The know-its crushed the hopers under the party wheel. The hopers, being decent and wanting of anything but the murderers currently in office, went along. Only the chosen know-it-all candidate wasn't up to the task. He didn't try and got beat by the worst president in modern history, if you can believe that.

Who knows what kind of deal making and political positioning led to that debacle, but it is playing out in current day you can be sure. Obama is the fly in the ointment. The know-it-alls will stop at nothing and will probably squirrel out some kind of victory.

Hope dies under the wheeled machine of party politics, again.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:21 PM
Response to Reply #134
138. Good assessment...
...but I have to believe this time is different ~ the new voters and the old activists (30+ years for me) are teaming up in a coalition the likes of which I've never seen. The party will change or cease to exist ~ either way, it's the dawning of a new age in politics.
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haymakeragain Donating Member (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:30 PM
Response to Reply #138
140. I'll tell you what,
I voted for Obama in the Cali primary but I could have just as easily voted for Hillary. I think they are very similar in what direction they would lead us, but I feel Obama isn't as tethered nearly as much by political debts. Not to mention the methods of her campaign. I have a distaste for the people who are running her show. They are old style party machine professionals. Their lives are irreparably entangled with political confrontation. It is how they make their living and they love it. Hillary is not being served well and it reflects upon her judgement.

Obama will bring about a seismic shift in attitudes world round. It is a rare opportunity. I hope you are right.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:51 PM
Response to Reply #140
149. "Obama will bring about a seismic shift in attitudes world round."
Definitely ~ all we have to do is reach critical mass and a sea change will occur in all areas of our society. I was thrilled that Obama kicked-off his campaign here in PA at a factory that is producing wind turbines, and spoke about switching to green technology and creating jobs in the US. YES, WE CAN!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:54 AM
Response to Reply #127
132. Another demeaning comment from you!--I did figure it out--but Ferrero is NOT
an issue of my OP. Yes. it is important apparently to about 1000 threads outside of mine. If you want to discuss her--you can go to those threads or start your own.

If you can contribute to the OP---then that is welcome. thank you.



"Just like your candidate...

If people don't say what you want to hear, you're nasty. The point I made is the important one ~ figure it out"
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:00 PM
Response to Reply #132
133. Nice try...
But I didn't mention Ferraro ~ and I'm not the one who was nasty. But I don't expect you to be able to see that ~ you're in the same kind of denial that Hillary is suffering.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:09 PM
Response to Reply #133
136. You are right. you did not mention Fererro by name.
Edited on Wed Mar-12-08 12:14 PM by rodeodance
Sorry i inserted that name.


On the other hand you did say -just like your candidate. i say that is demeaning to me (you used the word -nasty---I did not). in fact you called me nasty for ASSuming "If people don't say what you want to hear"













But I didn't mention Ferraro ~ and I'm not the one who was nasty. But I don't expect you to be able to see that ~ you're in the same kind of denial that Hillary is suffering.

Just like your candidate...

If people don't say what you want to hear, you're nasty. The point I made is the important one ~ figure it out.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:17 PM
Response to Reply #136
137. Yes, I posted that AFTER your snide remark...
Edited on Wed Mar-12-08 12:29 PM by polichick
Nasty is the word I meant ~ that, and "just like your candidate" when people dare to say what she doesn't want to hear.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:34 PM
Response to Reply #137
141. FYI--you make another ASSumption. I will engage--and welcomed
conversation on this thread--whether i agree with it or not. So do not assume.
But as you can see--there really are not any posts worth having a discussion with as it relates to the OP---including yours. You posted a broad post with really no specifics (actually it was claim on your part).
If you can be more detailed then your post has promise.
best



Yes, I posted that AFTER your snide remark...
Posted by polichick


Nasty is the word I meant ~ that, and "just like your candidate" when people dare to say what she doesn't want to hear.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:44 PM
Response to Reply #141
147. oops, there you go - "nasty" again...
Just like your candidate!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 01:09 PM
Response to Reply #147
154. I see you can do nothing but diss me. And still nothing productive to post. bye


oops, there you go - "nasty" again...

Just like your candidate!
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 01:20 PM
Response to Reply #154
156. LOL - are you FOR REAL???
I was responding to your use of the word "ASS" ~ WAKE UP and pay attention to what you're posting!
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haymakeragain Donating Member (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:43 PM
Response to Reply #136
146. Did you get that Poli, they said
"na na na na na na"
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:45 PM
Response to Reply #146
148. LOL
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:52 PM
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150. Didnt you report this yesterday in a different thread?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 01:07 PM
Response to Reply #150
153. part of it. So what?--But if you read the OP carefully -there is a much different FOCUS.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 01:01 PM
Response to Original message
152. Thanks for the info!
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 01:12 PM
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155. Why trivialize Clinton's failure to act during the biggest crisis of his presidency?
Edited on Wed Mar-12-08 01:15 PM by izzybeans
He fucked up, he deserves the scorn he has never received. He deserves much more than that. Who slept through that phone call anyway.

Rwanda needs to be talked about, badly. We did again with Darfur. Will another Clinton administration make the same mistake. I don't think we should rely on their word on this.

Rwanda is a CLINTON failure. This issue must be used to VET her as a strong leader. If you claim experience, you can't hide from your mistakes. Or you have to admit that your experience as First Lady was meaningless. She owns Rwanda, if she owns anything else that happened during her husband's terms in office.

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 01:26 PM
Response to Reply #155
159. I am not trivializing that terrrible tragedy. Did you read the OP for its focus?



. Why trivialize Clinton's failure to act during the biggest crisis of his presidency?

Edited on Wed Mar-12-08 01:15 PM by izzybeans
He fucked up, he deserves the scorn he has never received. He deserves much more than that. Who slept through that phone call anyway.

Rwanda needs to be talked about, badly. We did again with Darfur. Will another Clinton administration make the same mistake. I don't think we should rely on their word on this.

Rwanda is a CLINTON failure. This issue must be used to VET her as a strong leader. If you claim experience, you can't hide from your mistakes. Or you have to admit that your experience as First Lady was meaningless. She owns Rwanda, if she owns anything else that happened during her husband's terms in office.
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 01:53 PM
Response to Reply #159
161. yeah and my post is accurate.
Edited on Wed Mar-12-08 01:56 PM by izzybeans
He can feel bad about it all he wants. It is still a failure.

If she wins the nomination don't expect the Republicans to be so nice. Obama could of brought this up, but hasn't. "let's talk about experience Hillary, shall we?"
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 02:01 PM
Response to Reply #161
162. as my OP says --there is another thread talking about your issue.--go there or
start your own thread.

thank you.
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 02:04 PM
Response to Reply #162
163. Excuse me? The arrogance is dripping
Wow.

You, nor Hillary are entitled to a free pass on this. I'll stay here because my point is valid, 850,000 times over.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 02:41 PM
Response to Reply #163
165. Can you comprehend the issues of the OP?

Rwanda --itself is NOT the issue.


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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 02:47 PM
Response to Reply #165
167. You brought it up, you lie in it.
What exactly is the issue, some ridiculous comments by two people. Who gives a shit really? I go back to my trivializing Rwanda comment. Comprehend that.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 03:44 PM
Response to Reply #167
171. In my OP I was critical of how another thread was using the Rwanda
issues a political tool to be critical of Bill and Hillary Clinton during this campaign.

Rwanda was not brought up as an issue in an off itself--but within the context of the 3am red phone call (the other thread). To use the dead and dying in the context of dissing the clintons is beyond the pale!! In addition--it was Thorne who was sending out these emails!!

Now lets talk of these issues
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 03:48 PM
Response to Reply #171
173. The Rwanda issue is a legitimate critique. Way more legitimate then all this nonsense about monsters
Edited on Wed Mar-12-08 03:50 PM by izzybeans
or "lucky" men.

I could care less what campaign surrogates say in emails or in off the record interviews. I don't think that either Clinton or Obama need to be pegged to them. The repudiate them, move on. These people on the Obama campaign are no longer on the campaign. What more do you want?

If you really want to keep a scorecard of pettiness, you'll be swimming in your own candidates divisiveness as well.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 04:00 PM
Response to Reply #173
175. You don't care if my issues are important. fine--i will have nothing else to say to you


The Rwanda issue is a legitimate critique. Way more legitimate then all this nonsense about monsters
Posted by izzybeans


or "lucky" men.

I could care less what campaign surrogates say in emails or in off the record interviews. I don't think that either Clinton or Obama need to be pegged to them. The repudiate them, move on. These people on the Obama campaign are no longer on the campaign. What more do you want?

If you really want to keep a scorecard of pettiness, you'll be swimming in your own candidates divisiveness as well.
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 04:01 PM
Response to Reply #175
176. Your issue is with a petty comment made by two or three people.
Edited on Wed Mar-12-08 04:03 PM by izzybeans
You should really be fair and pay attention to your own candidate's campaign if you care so much about decorum.

There is a long list on both sides.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 04:10 PM
Response to Reply #176
179. NO, it is NOT petty--These are advisiors--there reach is long. And lots
of comments===btw. In addition=--this is thread about BO. If you want to talk about Clinton problems--go start another thread.



Your issue is with a petty comment made by two or three people.
Posted by izzybeans


You should really be fair and pay attention to your own candidate's campaign if you care so much about decorum.
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 04:17 PM
Response to Reply #179
180. No I won't start another thread.
Get ready for the General Election, it'll be painful if this is what does it for you.

I'm sorry I really don't know what else to say.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 04:28 PM
Response to Reply #180
182. whatever.
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kiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 01:25 PM
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158. K&R n/t
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kid a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 02:06 PM
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164. he was right to quit - any volunteer acting that way should be admonished in both camps
Obama didn't OK it.

This will not effect his campaign.

What IS you point? - I can't quite get it from you choppy, vague OP.

Is it about a double standard here at DU? Yes both camps have it!!!
Are there campaign surrogates sending evil things in blogs? Yes in both camps.

This OP isn't about anything substantive.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 02:59 PM
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168. Hillary Clinton is responsible for what happened in Rwanda
It happened during the Clinton administration, in which she was a major foreign policy player -- if I'm understanding her correctly. Or does Hillary only want to take credit for the positive accomplishments of her spouse's 8 years in the White House?

I think the Rwanda smear is ridiculous; as are Hillary's claims of critically superior preparedness owing to her years as First Lady.

Her most notable achievement and/or vote: 2002 A.U.M.F. in Iraq

All else pales in comparison.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 04:03 PM
Response to Reply #168
177. You missed the thresis of the OP also. And you add a silly claim about
Edited on Wed Mar-12-08 04:04 PM by rodeodance
Hillary being responsible.
Then say the Rwanda smear is ridiculous.

Which is it?
,,,,,,,,,,






Hillary Clinton is responsible for what happened in Rwanda
Posted by krkaufman


It happened during the Clinton administration, in which she was a major foreign policy player -- if I'm understanding her correctly. Or does Hillary only want to take credit for the positive accomplishments of her spouse's 8 years in the White House?

I think the Rwanda smear is ridiculous; as are Hillary's claims of critically superior preparedness owing to her years as First Lady.

Her most notable achievement and/or vote: 2002 A.U.M.F. in Iraq

All else pales in comparison.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 04:19 PM
Response to Reply #177
181. No, I think I managed to wade through the mal-formatted OP ...
... and comprehend its thrombosis. But thanks.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 04:29 PM
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183. ok--it is mal -formated. too bad.
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 03:22 PM
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169. Three Yaleys, why am I thinking of Skull and Bones again?
:shrug:
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avrdream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 03:39 PM
Response to Original message
170. If you remember how much support BO gets here, it makes sense
how GD-P would treat threads like that.

I'm beginning to wonder if these advisers are just taking the fall for there guy in order to get out the negative attacks that we knew were coming.

They immediately resign, don't they? Makes BO look good for "stopping the negativity" but still gets the comment out there and "reviewed" by the media.
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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 03:45 PM
Response to Original message
172. I guess the standards at Yale must be slipping. Childish and third-rate
would aptly describe the blunders made by those alumni.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 04:06 PM
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178. Prob. coincidence it is Yale? But one thing for sure, once they get into
Edited on Wed Mar-12-08 04:30 PM by rodeodance
the obama campaign, their behavior turns raw and ugly
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