I wanna make something perfectly clear about James Carville.

[Jackpine Radical]

He's not just sleeping with the enemy. He is the enemy. Remember, for example, his role in the Kerry concession. He sold us out, and not for the first time, methinks.

Carville & Matalin are kindred souls. The only detectable difference between them professionally is that they're working different sides of the street so as not to compete with one another for business. Neither of them has an ounce of integrity. That may be natural for right-wing streetwalkers like Matalin, but we generally expect more of those who put themselves forth as spokespersons for the left.

I have always Carville's association with the Clinton campaign disturbing. Lately, especially since the McCain/Obama crap I've been getting to understand it a bit better. I think the old saw about "birds of a feather" covers it pretty well. And now along comes Geraldine Ferraro, everyone's favorite Mafiosa, with her juicy insights (essentially a rework of what she said about Jesse Jackson in '88), proving herself to be yet another member of the flock.

[Swamp Rat]

1. I told y'all

:D

[kenfrequed]

14. appropriate

Really I am so tired of the professional caste of advisors and strategists and their utter disdain for populism and progressivism.

[redqueen]

21. I fail to see why anyone needs to be told!

As if anything else wasn't enough, his worthless opinions showed him for what he is both before & after the midterms.

[Tatiana]

46. Yep, you sure did.

I wanted to give Carville the benefit of the doubt, given his vigorous defense of Clinton during the Lewinsky scandal. But really, he wasn't defending Democratic principles or the rule of law or anything as noble as that. His loyalty was to Clinton and the DLC corporatists only.

[graywarrior]

2. Got that right.

[rateyes]

3. Not to mention that he sent a letter to the judge asking

leniency for Scooter Libby.

[XemaSab]

4. Yup

The longer this campaign goes on the more I am realizing that the DLC/corporatist/Clinton wing of the party needs to GO.

At first I thought the line was nebulous, but it's getting increasingly clear which side people are on.

[leftofcool]

5. Carville is officially under the bus

Next Democrat please

[tekisui]

8. Carville earned his place there.

[yardwork]

42. LOL! Actually, yes he is. And that's right where he belongs.

I'm perfectly happy to throw certain so-called "Democrats" under the bus, and Carville is certainly one of them.

[melody]

6. Absolutely agree -- he and his wife are two wings on the same vulture n/t

[blm]

7. McAuliffe and Carville made SURE Kerry wouldn't have what would be needed to challenge Ohio.

Does anyone think McAuliffe spent 4 DAYS SECURING the election process for Dem voters and candidates after 2000s blatant theft, let alone 4 years?

[liberalnurse]

29. Kerry refused to hit all the Ohio counties in 04... just the 3 big cities.

Kerry went against the advice of his team, let Edwards do most of the campaigning too. I was here in Ohio at the time. Bush, he hit the rural towns and cleaned up!

[blm]

32. Baloney. RNC stole that election for Bush and McAuliffe's DNC let them do it.

I saw how many places Kerry went to in Ohio while he was running a national campaign, so don't try and push off baloney and expect me to swallow it.

And Carville HELPED in ways only a real BushClinton protecting TRAITOR would help:

Carville = TRAITOR married to a war criminal:
http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2006/oct/07/did_carville_tip_bush_off_to_kerry_strategy_woodward

[yardwork]

43. Kerry visited quite a few small towns in 2004. He went through my home town.

[BlueIdaho]

9. These Folks

are lifetime political whores. They will say anything and do anything as long as the money is right.

[nancyr]

11. You got that right.

Carville has always been a sleezeball.

[Major Hogwash]

10. Carville's from the old Jim Crow faction, he doesn't want anyone not Hillary to win.

And he'll get in the gutter to make it happen if he has to - including marrying someone so freaking ugly she has to be licensed in Washington DC just to go for walks outside when's she's off of a leash!!

[redqueen]

17. He's not so easy on the eyes, either.

I'm no fan of Matalin, but what you just said positively reeks of sexism.

[Major Hogwash]

26. No, it's absolutely true, you can't defend someone as hideous as Matalin.

There's just no way.

You know what reeks?
Matalin - she looks like death warmed over.
She looks like she died 2 years ago, but forgot to lay down so they can bury her.

Carville looks like a talking skull.

But, there's no way in hell that anyone can deny that Matalin would lose a beauty contest even if she was the only one to enter it.

No way.

Nope.

No way at all.

[redqueen]

28. It wouldn't reek of sexism if you didn't choose the WIFE of the subject of the OP

to insult by attacking her looks. Isn't the subject of the OP an easy enough target for that? Why skip him to attack her looks?

I'm not trying to attack you... I'm only trying to point out the reason why what you said comes across as very sexist to me.

[Major Hogwash]

39. Blah blah fucking blah blah blah sexist blah blah blah blah

Seriously.

[redqueen]

40. Wow. Nice. (nt)

[Cha]

12. Yeah, the matalin-carville's have a

great little national con scam goin' for 'em and hilary always thought she'd benefit. Poor poor pitiful hilary.

[GalleryGod]

13. Good 'Ol "PENIS HEAD" ???

Traitor to our Party. Sleeping on a couch in 1991..now a multi-millionaire...all thanks to Billary.
Just part of the Clinton Crime Machine..Slime,Smear,Slime,Smear...gawd what $$$$'s will do to someone's soul....

'Tis a Pity James C. doesn't have Hizzoner, Frank L. Rizzo ,
to throw at Obama in Pennsy for the next 6 weeks...he could once again go about shouting "Vote WHITE!" with Gerry Ferraro at Hillary Rallies!

[girl gone mad]

15. And on an off topic note..

he completely ruined the 'Assassination of Jesse James' movie for me.

[SoxFan]

16. His sell-by date has come and gone

[Major Hogwash]

18. So has hers: "Expires on February 5th."

Nowhere else for her to go but down.

[NDambi]

37. Ha ha...he is Gollum indeed..and he sucks on top of it

[VolcanoJen]

19. It's really one of the bright lights at the end of the tunnel, for me.

When Obama wins this nomination, it will essentially end the lucrative media careers of Carville and Matalin.

No Clintons around, no Clintons up-and-coming. Carville/Matalin become irrelevent, and my TV will be very thankful indeed. My TV will give me a tip when it learns that Carville/Matalin also dragged Terry McAwful and Mark Penn with them, too. :-)

Well... they will have a second option. They might just run to Fox News so they can bash the Obama Administration day in, and day out. They won't hesitate if given the opportunity, this much we know for certain.

[redqueen]

20. K&R

[JerseygirlCT]

22. Yup, yup, yup

It bothered me for years. How the hell could a Democrat be married to someone so vilely Republican? Such a partisan hacks for truly evil people?

I guess I'm slow, because it took me a while to see it. He could easily be married to her - they have an awful lot in common, politically. And basically, they're working for the same people.

[jlake]

23. Pure and utter blasphemy.

James Carville is a genuine American hero.

[Melinda]

24. Blasphemy: impious utterance; irreverent behavior toward anything held sacred.

And you call Obama supporters cultists? :eyes:

[blm]

27. And here he is being a hero to Ohio Dem voters and Dems everywhere:

http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2006/oct/07/did_carville_tip_bush_off_to_kerry_strategy_woodward

[redqueen]

31. What? How?

:wtf:

[Laelth]

34. I thought you said goodbye.

I take back whatever nice things I said when you left. ;)

-Laelth

[jlake]

38. I'm praying for you.

:hug:

[Heathen57]

44. I'm sure glad you're not praying (preying) for me.

That is just like a Wiccan casting a spell on someone to make them change against their will - a very bad thing IMO.

[PatGund]

45. You know.....

....I bet Scooter Libby agrees with you

[Melinda]

25. Eyup. K&R.

[Agony]

30. He is the enemy of people the world over... Carville, Greenberg, Shrum etc

Getting rich fucking people over.

The video ---> http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x9300

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

33. I used to respect Carville, but no more.

[Laelth]

35. Sold us out.

He has lost my respect (not that he cares, not with millions in the bank).

-Laelth

[DemVet]

36. We continue to eat our own. Shameful. n/t

[Jackpine Radical]

41. There's more than one way to take a comment like that

in the context of this thread.

[thoughtcrime1984]

47. Who's our own?? DINO's are wolves in sheep's clothing.nt

[hedgehog]

48. There is plenty to criticize Ferraro about without labeling her a Mafiosa.

A little history: back in 1984, people spread rumors about her husband because he was Italian and worked with New York real estate.

In 1992, Mario Cuomo finally decided at the very last possible moment NOT to enter the New Hampshire primary. The reason given was that he had to work on the New York State budget. It was widely believed that someone had threatened to accuse him or a family member of Mafia connections. My mother claims it was the Republicans, but I've always wondered about the Clintons.

Throwing out random accusations that someone with an Italian name must have Mafia connections is a form of ethnic profiling. Do you believe that everyone with Middle Eastern connections is a terrorist?


Edited to correct the date. oops

[NorthernSpy]

49. yeah, it was her ~husband~ who had some business dealings with persons...

... who were involved in organized crime.


But no, Ferraro is certainly not a "mafiosa". She paid a price for her husband's lack of discretion, though. It sank her political career. And she was ticked off at Italian-American organizations for not speaking up on her behalf when the press raised the whole "mafia" angle in 1984.


I've been reading up on that election.


(Edited to add -- interesting supposition about the Clintons, and I wouldn't put it past them. The thing about the charge of "mafia connections" is that it's almost impossible to disprove in people's minds. All it takes is ANY kind of transaction, plus the ethnicity of the accused -- and people's imaginations will do the rest.)

[leveymg]

50. I used to wonder why the Dem machine politicians lost every election

The answer is finally made plain.

Pay no attention to that bald-headed spinmeister and nasty bigot behind the curtain.

[On the Road]

51. I for One Appreciate Carville's Vigorous Defenses of the Democratic Party

during times when it was extremely out of favor. His book "We're Right, They're Wrong," for example, is moderate but very passionate about core Democratic principles.

Having said that, he has sided with the corporate wing of the party and been on the wrong side of many issues for awhile now.

I hope Carville stays a committed Democrat, but it's time for Dean and Obama to lead from here on.

[MessiahRp]

52. I'm totally on board with you....

Carville and the Clintonites purposely steered Kerry into the iceberg so Hillary could win in 2008. May Obama be wise enough to not hire a single fucking one of them once he secures the nomination.

Rp