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damonm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 01:19 PM
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While we're talking about Obama's bad judgment, let's also discuss...
things like Clinton's

-Vote FOR the IWR;
-Vote AGAINST the Levin Amendment;
-Vote FOR the Bush bankruptcy bill;
-Vote AGAINST banning the use of cluster munitions in civilian areas & refugee camps;
-Inability to get her health care plan through a DEMOCRATICALLY-CONTROLLED Congress;
-Shortsightedness, as evidenced by the utter lack of planning for anything after Super Tuesday;

Let's discuss these things that Clinton did, while we're bashing Obama for some of his associates.
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krawhitham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 01:23 PM
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1. Those issues do not matter, just like smaller states
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 01:28 PM
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2. And that's just since she became a Senator!
:crazy:
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StClone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 01:54 PM
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3. What bad judgment? On page 346 of Karl Rover's Playbook
Chapter 12, Advanced Tainting Techniques: Invention to reinforcement Activities Workshop.

No person, let alone a Politician, is above repeated character "abrasion." Chapter 12 will direct the middle stages of developing antithetical memes that erode Public perception of even the most carefully developed public persona.

The Keys as noted in Chapter 11 continue on past funding, development, implementing and now move to mid-target Reinforcement of high impact Memes which propagate themselves and can move through a "culture" in a manner similar to the behavior of a virus. Most important at this stage is repeated reiteration of the researched negative images via "our' media as if it were true...
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Rageneau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 02:29 PM
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4. All these things matter. Meaning both candidates have equal bad judgment.
And since both have proved they will make bonehead mistakes and misspak, I support the smarter, more experienced, more traditionally American, better prepared candidate. which is Hillary.

Back in 1992, when Bill Clinton first ran, I supported Jesse Jackson. I might still support Jesse today, if he were running, because I believe that he truly IS a soaring orator who has always worked for hope and change, and who truly IS a completely self-made man, having pulled himself up from poverty.

Jesse had no white parent or white grandparents to step in when things got too rough. He was black -- really black -- 24/7/365. IOW, I think Jesse Jackson embodies every positive attribute that people CLAIM for Obama.

Jesse is obviously Obama's model. But I don't like presidents made from models. I prefer the genuine article.

That's why I'm supporting Hillary. She's not New Coke. She's the real thing.

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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 02:30 PM
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5. What do you mean by "more traditionally American"? NT
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SunsetDreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 03:10 AM
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8. That's what I was wondering
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damonm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 03:02 AM
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7. Couple of little details you're missing....
Edited on Thu Mar-20-08 03:26 AM by damonm
Obama voted AGAINST the bankruptcy bill, and FOR the cluster munitions ban.
He was against the IWR when it was politically unpopular to be so.

His mistakes are in with whom he associates (which affects few but himself) - Clinton's have been matters of POLICY which affect average Americans, as well as people halfway around the globe.

In NO WAY can Obama be said to have "equal bad judgment" to Clinton, unless you can explain to me how any dealings with Rezko have made it harder for the average Joe to get out from under a mountain of debt and rewarded credit card companies for their irresponsible (if not predatory) business practices, and exactly who is in mortal peril as a result of Obama's association with Jeremiah Wright - like those innocents in refugee camps and civilian areas getting blown apart by cluster bombs as a result of Clinton's vote, or the thousands of dead from a war she helped authorize.

PLEASE explain how these are equal - I could use a laugh.

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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 02:31 PM
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6. Nah, Obama has a preacher who told the truth!!!!
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