Kerry Wants Obama To Give Power To Islam

[soundguy]

My god has this man lost his mind? I knew kerry was pretty much worthless but I didn't know he was brain dead too.

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http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/

Thanks To Bartcop for pointing us toward the truth

[marmar]

1. Only good white Christian folk should be in power, right?

Don't go away mad. Just go away.

[Bonobo]

2. It said "give power to moderate Islam". Isn't that a good thing, Rush?

[anigbrowl]

3. Try quoting him correctly

'give power to MODERATE Islam'. As opposed to the radical kind.

[Bill McBlueState]

14. how do you tell?

What should the standard be for dividing Muslims into moderates and radicals? Clearly bin Laden is a radical, while Parvez Ahmed might be considered a moderate. But surely there are borderline cases. Should there be an official definition of which type of Muslims should be given power? Who gets to write that definition?

Realistically, there won't be an official definition, but rather one like, "Anyone who sufficiently ignores the parts of Islam that shock the modern conscience should be given power." That would be similar to the progressive stance on other religions.

[anigbrowl]

28. I'd say that refusing to foment religious violence is a good start.

Certainly these are complex questions, but I think a basic characteristic of moderation is an acceptance of the idea that while you believe your own views to be correct, that doesn't give you a license to make war against all those who opine differently.

[karynnj]

38. He also if you look at the full comments is speaking

about giving power to moderate Islam over radical Islam in Islamic countries. This is something he has spoken of for years. Moving people by changing their hearts and minds - building infrastructure - I don't know about you but I think it's a lot better than create democracy by war.

[scheming daemons]

Back to ignore with you, Freeper....

....

[Eric J in MN]

4. Full quote.

NBC/NJ's Mike Memoli reports that Kerry says Obama "has an ability to help us bridge the divide in religious extremism, to maybe even give power to moderate Islam." The reporter asks him why he'd say that, "What gives him credibility on that score." Kerry answers immmediately: "Because he's African American. Because he's a black man."

More Kerry: "It would be such an affirmation of who we say we are as a people if we can elect an African American president, young leader who is obviously a visionary and got an ability to inspire people. It will give us an ability to talk to those countries, to in some cases go around their dictator leaders to the people and inspire the people in ways that we can’t otherwise."

[karynnj]

39. Here is a link to a Beachmom Dkos comment with the even fuller original source with video

http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/3/20/133938/471/87#c87

[Hugabear]

5. I wish Kerry would have chosen his words a little better

Obama can give power to moderate Islam "because he's a black man"?

It has nothing to do with the fact that Obama is black, and everything to do with Obama's willingness to listen to all sides.

(on edit)
In light of all the controversy we've seen lately, I think that Kerry could have picked his phrasing a little better. I don't mean to condemn him, because overall I agree with what he's saying.

Also, the OP really needs to go back and fix their post as well. When you're caught on something, you should fix your mistakes - as I've just done.

[blm]

12. Your comprehension is bullshit - Kerry's saying that the day Obama becomes president

most of the rest of the world that believes USA is a racist nation and has no credibility, will begin to believe this nation WILL be an honest broker because it is not as racist as our leaders have been.

Kerry is speaking about the way the WORLD views this nation.

And WHY we will have advanced our causes considerably with a President Obama BECAUSE we will have proved ourselves to be credible on the issues that race is so much a part of in world politics.

[Hugabear]

13. I listened to the clip, and I know what I heard

Kerry unequivocally stated that the reason why Obama would be able to work with moderate Muslims is because he was a black man.

As I stated, just because Obama is black doesn't mean shit - there are very conservative African Americans in this country that you wouldn't want to have trying to soothe relations with moderate Islamic countries.

[blm]

22. I attach it to everything Kerry has said about the world's view of us and why Obama will

be the right person to bridge that racial divide.

You don't, and want to take it out of context to damn Kerry.

I will also add that even GOP presidents called upon a BLACK MAN to help return hostages - Jesse Jackson.

When Clinton sent someone it was a DARK MAN, Bill Richardson, and did so BECAUSE of the racial divide.

Geez - get a grip on the REAL WORLD outside this country.

[Hugabear]

29. I think Kerry had good intentions - but could have said it better

Honestly, I would not have said that Obama was suited for the task "because he's a black man".

Sorry, I'm not trying to damned Kerry, and I'll go back and change the tone of my original response. I just think that in light of all the controversies that have been going on lately, with Rev. Wright, Geraldine Ferraro, etc that one would think he would have chosen his words a little better.

[blm]

34. He was being blunt - and using the reference to black in the most promising way possible, imo.

Thanks for the exchange, PIB.

[karynnj]

41. Because you heard a "cherry picked " segment chopped mid -sentence

Here is a link that has links to the original MA newspaper artice and their video.
http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/3/20/133938/471/87#c87

[karynnj]

40. check out the video here and the original source - NBC truncated it

http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/3/20/133938/471/87#c87

[blm]

45. Which begs the question WHY WOULD NBC WANT Kerry misrepresented so drastically?

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[karynnj]

49. I assume it may not specifically be NBC

Though it was MSNBC where Kerry completely demolished the arguments of Contressa Brewster.

Someone obviously spent a lot of time looking for Kerry material to find something to use against him - this is so obviously disjointed that any half way skeptical person realizes there was editing. Consider that this was done by a small MA newspaper - I think they found it before the JK group did - and we are pretty good finding stuff. It then was distributed in several blogs, then bubbled up. We've seen this before. My guess is that this will not be the last attack on Senator Kerry.

The reason is likely that he is seen for what he is - the best surrogate out there for Obama - and ether way, will likely be the best surrogate for the Democratic candidate. So, there are two possible culprits for this.

[blm]

53. And Bartcop put it up, so it is likely being pushed by TeamClinton - another heyjohn operation?

Most likely.

[jefferson_dem]

6. stormfront?

n/t

[Parche]

7. Whats wrong with that?

Its taken out of context

He says that it will be a good thing for the world to see that we can elect someone other
then a war monger.....:hi:

[soundguy]

17. Help Me with My History Please

Can you direct to to a "moderate" islamic state? I would be especially interested to find one that embraces gays. Besides I am an agnostic which frees my mind enough to allow me to se the truth behind all religion. Islam is about 600 years behind the rest of the human race, and as dangerous as the Catholics of that wonderful golden age of torture. Give this a read and get back to me about any lies please. Can I be a racist if I am blacker than Obama, and Write?

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=%7B6AA49466-2575-491F-B712-CEA90FCCCD0D%7D

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

25. Could you leave the hate sites where they belong, please?

Thanks

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FrontPage_Magazine

[Occam Bandage]

35. We don't like David Horowitz here?

[Scurrilous]

46. Frontpage?

:rofl:

[New Dawn]

47. There have been a lot of Clintonites here posting links to far right-wing sites lately.

[Bonobo]

26. Wow, so now I now you are a black guy AND an intolerant jerk. Thanks for the info!

BTW, only the part about you being an intolerant jerk means shit.

[Yes We Did]

30. So, you are trying to get eveyone to hate you? Is that it?

[Occam Bandage]

33. "Can you direct me to a "moderate" islamic state?"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Arab_Emirates

[uppityperson]

55. Turkey. Oh boy, a new buddy to watch! nt

[bowens43]

8. you people are disgusting.....

[Yes We Did]

9. Yet another misleading thread by a hillary supporter.

See, words do matter, and you missed a very important one. "moderate"

This is just like when the repugs attacked Rosie for saying the extreme christians can be just as bad as extreme muslims.

When are you guys going to realize that we fact check everything you say now?

[atal]

10. you need to edit your title

to read "moderate Islam" and not "Islam" ... Let's not follow the brainless Fox mentality.

[northernsoul]

11. You missed a key word or two there

For the folks at home, here's the full text the OP is referring to:

"Because He's A Black Man"

John Kerry, speaking with the New Bedford Standard Times, suggests that electing a black president would change the perception of the United States around the globe.

NBC/NJ's Mike Memoli reports that Kerry says Obama "has an ability to help us bridge the divide in religious extremism, to maybe even give power to moderate Islam." The reporter asks him why he'd say that, "What gives him credibility on that score." Kerry answers immmediately: "Because he's African American. Because he's a black man."

More Kerry: "It would be such an affirmation of who we say we are as a people if we can elect an African American president, young leader who is obviously a visionary and got an ability to inspire people. It will give us an ability to talk to those countries, to in some cases go around their dictator leaders to the people and inspire the people in ways that we can’t otherwise."

[beachmom]

15. You and Bartcop are LIARS!!!!!! Here is the truth:

I have all the facts here:

http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/3/20/133938/471/87#c87

Quote from the original article, instead of the half baked bullshit you are trying to peddle:

Sen. Barack Obama, whom Sen. Kerry has endorsed in the race for the party's nomination, "has the capacity to change the story of America," he said, and likely will include Republicans in his administration as a gesture of cooperation and a new beginning.

But more than that, said Sen. Kerry, leaders of Middle Eastern nations have expressed to him keen interest in the possibility that a black man could be elected president of the United States. "Their leaders are intrigued, he said. One of them, who Sen. Kerry did not identify, asked him, "Can you people really do this in America?"

"It would be an affirmation of who we are as a people," he said.

"It would give us an ability to talk to those countries," he said, adding that it might also enable the U.S. go "around their leaders and talk to the people" in places such as Iran where there is pro-American sentiment among the population but not among the leadership.

Should Hillary Clinton be elected, he said, it would also be a watershed moment. "Both of them break ceilings," he said. But despite the opportunity to elect a woman, he said, "I have a wife and two daughters, and all three of them are for Barack Obama."

[blm]

16. Bartcop hates the man who UNCOVERED BushInc's criminal ops, and LOVES the man who protected BushInc

throughout the 90s by deep-sixing all those outstanding matters.

THAT big of a disconnect should tell anyone that Bartcop is TOO MUCH a Clinton DEVOTEE to think straight.

Bart knows BCCI was going to impeach Bush1, and that Clinton was allowed to win in 92 and APPROVES of Clinton playing nice-nice with BushInc because Bart thinks it keeps him alive.

Bart HATES Kerry, yet most every all of the information that Bart uses on his site to shine a light on BFEE has come from the persistent investigations of IranContra, illegal wars in Central America, BCCI, and CIA drugrunning operations that were UNCOVERED, INVESYIGATED, and EXPOSED by Sen. John Kerry.

THINK of the level of DISCONNECT one has to have to view the two men the way he does.

[beachmom]

24. Bartcop has a record of lying about John Kerry (like saying he

voted for Gonzales, when he did no such thing). It amazes me people who think he is a reliable source.

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[dkf]

19. Promoting moderate Islam over extremist Islam is a bad thing?

Who knew?

:shrug:

[DearAbby]

20. Gotta know that anyone

who doesn't praise JAYSUS....they are dead to us...right? So much for freedom to worship.

BTW...WE ARE NOT IN A FECKING CRUSADE against Islam.

[karynnj]

21. Kerry said nothing of giving power to Islam

Bartcorps has loved the Clintons and hated Kerry forever - and as a result somethings they right are ridiculous.

Here is a link to Kerry's full comments - and as usual they are thoughtful and attacking no one.
http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/3/20/133938/471/87#c87

By the way, there is one speech and associated other comments, I almost wish Senator Kerry never made - though I realize they were heart felt and he wanted to heal the rift of Vietnam. They were comments that defended the patriotism of a man whose patriotism was being challenged. Given that guys words today - he didn't deserve Kerry's eloquent defense.

Mr. KERRY. Mr. President, I also rise today--and I want to say that I rise reluctantly, but I rise feeling driven by personal reasons of necessity--to express my very deep disappointment over yesterday's turn of events in the Democratic primary in Georgia.

I am saddened by the fact that Vietnam has yet again been inserted into the campaign, and that it has been inserted in what I feel to be the worst possible way. By that I mean that yesterday, during this Presidential campaign, and even throughout recent times, Vietnam has been discussed and written about without an adequate statement of its full meaning.

What is ignored is the way in which our experience during that period reflected in part a positive affirmation of American values and history, not simply the more obvious negatives of loss and confusion.

What is missing is a recognition that there exists today a generation that has come into its own with powerful lessons learned, with a voice that has been grounded in experiences both of those who went to Vietnam and those who did not.

What is missing and what cries out to be said is that neither one group nor the other from that difficult period of time has cornered the market on virtue or rectitude or love of country.

What saddens me most is that Democrats, above all those who shared the agonies of that generation, should now be refighting the many conflicts of Vietnam in order to win the current political conflict of a Presidential primary.

The race for the White House should be about leadership, and leadership requires that one help heal the wounds of Vietnam , not reopen them; that one help identify the positive things that we learned about ourselves and about our Nation, not play to the divisions and differences of that crucible of our generation.

We do not need to divide America over who served and how. I have personally always believed that many served in many different ways. Someone who was deeply against the war in 1969 or 1970 may well have served their country with equal passion and patriotism by opposing the war as by fighting in it. Are we

now, 20 years or 30 years later, to forget the difficulties of that time, of families that were literally torn apart, of brothers who ceased to talk to brothers, of fathers who disowned their sons, of people who felt compelled to leave the country and forget their own future and turn against the will of their own aspirations?

Are we now to descend, like latter-day Spiro Agnews, and play, as he did, to the worst instincts of divisiveness and reaction that still haunt America? Are we now going to create a new scarlet letter in the context of Vietnam ?

Certainly, those who went to Vietnam suffered greatly. I have argued for years, since I returned myself in 1969, that they do deserve special affection and gratitude for service. And, indeed, I think everything I have tried to do since then has been to fight for their rights and recognition.

But while those who served are owed special recognition, that recognition should not come at the expense of others; nor does it require that others be victimized or criticized or said to have settled for a lesser standard. To divide our party or our country over this issue today, in 1992, simply does not do justice to what all of us went through during that tragic and turbulent time.

I would like to make a simple and straightforward appeal, an appeal from my heart, as well as from my head. To all those currently pursuing the Presidency in both parties, I would plead that they simply look at America. We are a nation crying out for leadership, for someone who will bring us together and raise our sights. We are a nation looking for someone who will lift our spirits and give us confidence that together we can grow out of this recession and conquer the myriad of social ills we have at home.

We do not need more division. We certainly do not need something as complex and emotional as Vietnam reduced to simple campaign rhetoric. What has been said has been said, Mr. President, but I hope and pray we will put it behind us and go forward in a constructive spirit for the good of our party and the good of our country. "

[zulchzulu]

23. Well gee, ever' body know dat da Izzslam 'er bad peeople...yuk yuk...

So Islam is bad?

Never mind... don't answer...

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[DearAbby]

31. Go for the Gusto....

change your title to this thread to really trash Kerry....Kerry Wants Obama To Give Power To Jihadists!!!

is this connected to "Obama is really a Muslim, dressed as a Christian Meme?

[karynnj]

43. I think you're right - after all even as a youth,

At 16, Kerry persuaded his parents to let him take a ferry from Norway, where his dad was a diplomat, to Northern England so he could bike to Sherwood Forest to camp where Robin Hood was said to have been. So, he was hanging with the terrorists even then. (From Tour of Duty)

[Occam Bandage]

32. We don't want moderate Islam to take power from radical Islam? Why are you pro-terrorism?

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

36. Yeah, we should just nuke all those brownskins and be done with it, eh?

Fuck off.

[ZombieHorde]

37. Your thread makes no sense. nt

[robbedvoter]

42. So, this is a better statement than Ferraro's because? Does he push the Muslim BO?

[karynnj]

51. He is not saying Obama is Muslim

and the difference is obvious.

Kerry has given a long list of why Obama should be President - including that he is an inspiring leader, that he has seen that he can bring people together, the knowledge and the quality of questions he asks on the SFRC ..... The fact that his heritage and background could instantly change some perceptions of teh US - both internally and externally -- is in addition to those primary reasons that together with others made Kerry and others endorse him.

Ferraro says that he is lucky to be black and that he wouldn't be where he is otherwise. Now, in fairness to her she did not say that he was not qualified. But there is a huge difference - between her "affirmative action" view and Kerry's pretty lavish praise.

Summary - If accepted, Kerry's enhances how Obama is seen, Ferraro's diminishes him.

[arrested_president]

44. Yeah. Power To Islam!!

works for me - and, i'm not even religious

but, anything that offsets Christianity can't be all bad

if i believed that, i'd vote for him - but, he's not going to help anybody - anymore than ANY of these media-selected losers will

but, i like the idea of it - ALOT

[CJCRANE]

48. Bush policy of high oil prices already gave power to Islam nt

[DerekJ]

50. Let me know what are your problems with Islam so I can answer accordingly.

[Oilwellian]

52. I bet you are what I think you are. n/t

[cooolandrew]

54. Kerry's point is that Obama's time in Indonesia lends him far more understanding of Islam to

cause less friction amongst the rest of the world. Also, him being black highlights to the world that America does live up to its constitution of equal rights to all Americans and thus will less alienate ohter nations. To say Kerry wants to empower islam shows zero critical thought, and no context of Kerry in and throughout his career. Although he won't further antagonise 1.3 billion people a war that is not ever going to be won on those stats we talk or fail.